Possible timing of the OWG

[Jojo4124]

What if it's not the rapture that causes the upheaval, but instead WWIII? There seems to be a pattern, as you wrote, that these global entities have been quickly formed after major world wars.

I'm just not convinced that the loss of Christians, worldwide, would have the catastrophic impact as a World War would. If anything, I don't think we're going to be missed. Even New Age Leaders are being seduced by demons to believe that there will be a large number of people removed to allow for the Earth's energy to be cleansed.

I agree as they are ramping up the alien talk too. But I believe that scholars and family members of the raptured will make the connection about those who disappeared being saved in Jesus. Some people might believe what the world tells them, but most, imho, who had a family member raptured will admit that their family member knew Jesus.

Maybe there will be a divide. Some people who can humble themselves will seek Jesus after the Rapture n seek the Bible for end times prophecy. But most people who dont care about Jesus now, or know about the Rapture events might not turn to the Bible as they dont do it now.

My family will believe anything the RC Pope says and he has said that a personal relationship with Jesus was dangerous...so leaders are forming "explanations" now regarding the disappeared. I pray that the world DOES notice the rapture!

 

[Jojo4124]

For me when I ponder this the unknown are the children. The rapture will be a 10 on the shock meter world wide. If children are indeed taken, that will take the shock meter to 11. As silly as it may sound, if children are not included in the rapture whole families that are not believers will be stunned to be sure but if their families are intact they will be thankful and will assume life will eventually return to normal and may actually be better with millions no longer consuming goods and services, jobs, etc.

I believe children will be raptured...perhaps another discussion. But if children are raptured, the OWG will notice their adrenochrome supply will be gone. Not to be gross, but oh they'll notice! No child sex slaves anymore. Father God, deliver innocent children from evil!!

 

[Jojo4124]

Funny you bring this up...I was surprized that Amazon has the 2nd left behind movie on. I watched it yesterday...shows the chaos after the Rapture and Antichrist rule. I guess if I am Raptured, I will be focused on worshipping Jesus or resting in His arms.

But thinking about this makes me want to write a letter/Bible study for those left behind in my family/friends and leave it in my lockbox or something.

I cant imagine how difficult it may be to accept Christ once the OWG rises. I just cant imagine. The saved post Rapture Christians in the Left Behind movie seem to know Christian lingo and such. I dont think it will be like that for most post Rapture believers.

The OWG, imho, is forming right now. King Charles is a globalist. It is fascinating to watch things falling into place. The govts are playing with their power right now...using war as an excuse to strain everyone to their financial limits. They enjoyed their power to shut down churches and societies with the pandemic. To me, it looks like the OWGers are practicing their controls now. Wont take much to make the world so chaotic, satanists use order out of chaos quote, as govts submit to the WEF n such. Even America is being beaten down with a serious joke as our leader who isnt leading but those behind him. To me, a transfer of nation's powers to a OWG and eventually to Antichrist could happen anytime. Seems all countries are headed in that direction.

Things really took a turn in 2019. No going back to 'normal'. Seems like satan is ramping up...look at the sin that abounds and is defended by our country alone. God wont bless that. Satan is purposefully tempting the wrath of God on the US, imho. And few are resisting it the evil. Some churches are embracing it...eeek!

Either way...I just wanna be with Jesus!!! In Heaven, I wonder if we will be able to watch what happens on earth. But theres no tears in Heaven, so I dont know...

Great topic!

 

[Wally]

2 Timothy 3:1-5 New King James Version​

3 But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: 2 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, 4 traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away!​

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Seems like today but then have men really changed much? From some viewpoints, men seem to be more open, even legally promoting this conduct.​

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Mark 13 5-13 NKJV​

5 And Jesus, answering them, began to say: “Take heed that no one deceives you. 6 For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am He,’ and will deceive many. 7 But when you hear of wars and rumors of wars, do not be troubled; for such things must happen, but the end is not yet. 8 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be earthquakes in various places, and there will be famines and troubles. These are the beginnings of sorrows.​

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9 “But watch out for yourselves, for they will deliver you up to councils, and you will be beaten in the synagogues. You will be brought before rulers and kings for My sake, for a testimony to them. 10 And the gospel must first be preached to all the nations. 11 But when they arrest you and deliver you up, do not worry beforehand, or premeditate what you will speak. But whatever is given you in that hour, speak that; for it is not you who speak, but the Holy Spirit. 12 Now brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child; and children will rise up against parents and cause them to be put to death. 13 And you will be hated by all for My name’s sake. But he who endures to the end shall be saved.​

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See verse 12. When Christianity has been criminalized, when family members turn in family members, when the persecution leaves almost nowhere to run, that is a serious turning point IMHO. Its not here yet, and it could be pre or post rapture, but I've often found before a harvest - gathering the seed, there is a winnowing. ​

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Persecution does draw you closer to Him, IF you believe in Jesus Christ.​

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[Wally]

Acts 7:34 NKJV
I have surely seen the oppression of My people who are in Egypt; I have heard their groaning and have come down to deliver them.

2 Peter 2:7
and delivered righteous Lot, who was oppressed by the filthy conduct of the wicked


...and then maybe we are not grieved enough to be delivered. But we don't have to be whiners.

Just remember: Don't worry, God has this and nobody escapes judgment.

It then becomes all about where judgment happens: Bema - Mercy Seat, or the White Throne of Absolute Holiness.

 

[Andy C]

Maybe Im just stubborn, but I fail to see how some believe the church will still be here when the OWG is formed. We all know the OWG will be evil, and will establish a world religion. How can this happen with the Restrainer still here?

Im not blind, Im well aware of how close the evil globalists are getting to seeing their dreams come true. Maybe the 2030 agenda will happen on time? I hope so because that means our time left is getting real short. However, every past attempt to establish a OWG has failed. Why? I believe the below is the answer. When He departs, we depart.

2 Thessalonians 2

2 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way.

Im not trying to out anyone down for having different views. I am encouraging continued discussions on this important topic.
Please, post why you believe we will still be here when the OWG is formed. Like all of us, Im open to learn, and iron sharpens iron.

 

[Tall Timbers]

Maybe Im just stubborn, but I fail to see how some believe the church will still be here when the OWG is formed.

That viewpoint cannot be ruled out given what the Word of God says about the order of these things to come.

If the OWG was a skyscraper being built, about the only thing left before it was complete would be to attach the antennas and spire at the top, and the Church is still here.

 

[Andy C]

That viewpoint cannot be ruled out given what the Word of God says about the order of these things to come.

If the OWG was a skyscraper being built, about the only thing left before it was complete would be to attach the antennas and spire at the top, and the Church is still here.

Or, attach the antennas and before the spire is attached….

I consider you, as Im sure others do, as very knowledgeable on all bible topics. Whats the argument against the verse I posted?

 

[Belle of Grace]

IMO, the globalists will keep trying to form a OWG, but will never reach completion as long as the Holy Spirit is here. Once He departs, the entire church departs with Him.

Andy, what about the two witnesses on the streets of Jerusalem and the 144,00 young Jewish men, all of whom will be preaching the gospel to the people who are on the earth. What about the martyrs who loved not their lives unto death, Rev. 12:11-12, and were beheaded. No one, during any dispensation is saved by hearing the gospel without the Holy Spirit illuminating the truth and drawing people to the Savior.

 

[Andy C]

Andy, what about the two witnesses on the streets of Jerusalem and the 144,00 young Jewish men, all of whom will be preaching the gospel to the people who are on the earth. What about the martyrs who loved not their lives unto death, and were beheaded. No one, during any dispensation is saved by hearing the gospel without the Holy Spirit illuminating the truth and drawing people to the Savior.

I agree, but those events are during the tribulation, where the church will be absent from.

Yes, the Holy Spirit will depart with us, but He will also remain, and be on earth throughout the tribulation. The difference being is He indwells believers in the church, but that wont be the case for tribulation saints. It will be as it was in the Old Testament where He can come upon someone, empower them, but wont permanently reside in them.

 

[Baby Yoda]

though the longer down the road we go until the rapture, the fewer people from America will be leaving in my humble opinion.

Can you explain why?

 

[Andy C]

Andy, what about the two witnesses on the streets of Jerusalem and the 144,00 young Jewish men, all of whom will be preaching the gospel to the people who are on the earth. What about the martyrs who loved not their lives unto death, Rev. 12:11-12, and were beheaded. No one, during any dispensation is saved by hearing the gospel without the Holy Spirit illuminating the truth and drawing people to the Savior.

I forget to add to my previous post.

The Holy Spirit will no longer be restraining to the level He was while the church was still here.

2 Thessalonians 2
7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

 

[Baby Yoda]

The Holy Spirit will no longer be restraining to the level He was while the church was still here.

We sure don't wanna be here for that.....

 

[Wally]

Here's a couple things to ponder, Why antichrist/OWG wants us gone:

When raptured the loss of the Church will cause chaos

With the Church gone, so will most of its fruit - Self Control, Love, ...

With the Church gone her voice will be silenced or reduced to a whisper of the few radicals screaming: They were Right!

There will not be a strong voice pointing out the AC neither will the Church be here to confront him [there will be replacements though]

With the Church gone, religion can be controlled or villainized.



The AC wants to walk onto a stage prepared for him, including worship as savior from the terrible mess the world is in. It may start off really well until the seals start opening.

Even if we could put events in order, the timing could be so short that it would not matter much.

How bad does it have to get? I'd be inclined to believe it's when ears are deaf and hearts are stone and the seed no longer finds root.

But the Tribulation will be like a Gardener who digs up shrubs and saplings, clips the roots and branches severely, then re-plants them.
Some will whither and die, some will live, and the Gardner will either move them to His greenhouse, or preserve them through the drought.

Keep in mind, He already moved His prized vegetation into His Greenhouse.

 

[cheeky200386]

I agree with the summary that christians will not be missed ....... (and just a thought) that the resulting loss of all those Holy Spirit filled prayers and right actions were keeping things stable and with their absence will no doubt bring in that flood of demonic activity which will lead the world quickly into darkness

I agree. The demonic activity would be through the roof.

 

[Wally]

I agree. The demonic activity would be through the roof.

Or up through the floor?

 

[Andy C]

I agree. The demonic activity would be through the roof.

I reread your first post, and I tend to agree that with all the Christians gone, many, if not the majority would be happy those do gooder Christians are gone. However, the sheer number of hundreds of millions gone in a flash will have a huge impact on many countries.

 

[rks7777]

Can you explain why?

Realizing it’s not for me to determine, but I think the number of born again Christians in America is overstated. And I don’t see it getting any better. I truly hope I’m wrong.

 

[Tall Timbers]

Whats the argument against the verse I posted?

What verse are you referring too? I don't have an argument against any verse.

 

[Andy C]

What verse are you referring too? I don't have an argument against any verse.

Sometimes, I wonder if you read my posts on this subject.

From the above post #26

However, every past attempt to establish a OWG has failed. Why? I believe the below is the answer. When He departs, we depart.

2 Thessalonians 2

2 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way.