Possible timing of the OWG

[Andy C]

If you know me, Im not forum member athenasius, nor have her skills in writing long posts. However, occasionally I do want to try and get a point across, then hopefully have it followed by a good discussion/debate.


The timing of when the OWG forms has always been an interesting and challenging topic of study for me. I know on this forum there are differences of opinions on the timing. In doing more research, and reading a book authored by Terry James and Pete Garcia (Mod - I assume its ok to mention them since both are frequent authors posted on this forum), I submit the following scenario:


We know the rapture is imminent, which simply means nothing prophetic needs to happen prior to being called up. We also know the rapture does not trigger the start of the 7 year tribulation from the book of Daniel because Daniel wrote the below triggers the tribulation.

Daniel 9
27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.
And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,
Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the desolate.”

So what does the bible state about how soon after the rapture the tribulation starts? Nothing.

We also have clear scripture that the AC is the one who confirms the 7 year covenant. However, the AC will need to come out of the OWG which will be divided into 10 Kingdoms. The world has not yet been divided into those ten kingdoms, though many globalists are now trying to do so.

What will cause the world to divide into ten kingdoms? At the end of WWI, even though most countries were not involved, the world leaders quickly formed the League of Nations. After WWII, again most countries were not involved, but the world leaders created an even bigger blueprint for the future OWG by forming the United Nations. To recap, with the majority of the world countries not involved in these two wars, they still rushed to form a type of OWG. Neither one of these entities that were formed have been overly successful because countries are reluctant to totally give up their own sovereignty. What would cause them to again form a OWG? I submit the rapture of the church will cause such a global upheavel, that there will be a NEED for true global leadership.

The USA will be devastated by the loss of tens of millions of people from the rapture, our economy will instantly crash, and this crash will set off a global financial collapse. Some countries will not be hit as hard from the rapture, but others will suffer huge losses. With the collapse of the USA economy, the military mostly ineffective as a result of heavy losses from the rapture, there will be a power vaccum that needs to be filled. Weaker countries will need help, global leadership will be needed, and IMO, this will be the only time that there will be a true need for a OWG. Countries will simply have no choice but to form together as a way of survival. This will quickly be followed by the OWG being broken up into Ten Kingdoms, out of which the AC will rise.

IMO, the globalists will keep trying to form a OWG, but will never reach completion as long as the Holy Spirit is here. Once He departs, the entire church departs with Him.

Just to be clear - Nowhere does the bible state the OWG will be formed with the church still here, nor does it state that this cant happen.

I simply submit that the above scenario will be the likely sequence, but will require a gap of an unknown time between the rapture and the start of the tribulation. The Bible does not state if there will or wont be a gap, but we do know the rapture has to happen first. In order for the OWG to be fully formed, there needs to be some length of a gap.

JMHO - Thoughts?

 

[cheeky200386]

If you know me, Im not forum member athenasius, nor have her skills in writing long posts. However, occasionally I do want to try and get a point across, then hopefully have it followed by a good discussion/debate.


The timing of when the OWG forms has always been an interesting and challenging topic of study for me. I know on this forum there are differences of opinions on the timing. In doing more research, and reading a book authored by Terry James and Pete Garcia (Mod - I assume its ok to mention them since both are frequent authors posted on this forum), I submit the following scenario:


We know the rapture is imminent, which simply means nothing prophetic needs to happen prior to being called up. We also know the rapture does not trigger the start of the 7 year tribulation from the book of Daniel because Daniel wrote the below triggers the tribulation.

Daniel 9
27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.
And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,
Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the desolate.”

So what does the bible state about how soon after the rapture the tribulation starts? Nothing.

We also have clear scripture that the AC is the one who confirms the 7 year covenant. However, the AC will need to come out of the OWG which will be divided into 10 Kingdoms. The world has not yet been divided into those ten kingdoms, though many globalists are now trying to do so.

What will cause the world to divide into ten kingdoms? At the end of WWI, even though most countries were not involved, the world leaders quickly formed the League of Nations. After WWII, again most countries were not involved, but the world leaders created an even bigger blueprint for the future OWG by forming the United Nations. To recap, with the majority of the world countries not involved in these two wars, they still rushed to form a type of OWG. Neither one of these entities that were formed have been overly successful because countries are reluctant to totally give up their own sovereignty. What would cause them to again form a OWG? I submit the rapture of the church will cause such a global upheavel, that there will be a NEED for true global leadership.

The USA will be devastated by the loss of tens of millions of people from the rapture, our economy will instantly crash, and this crash will set off a global financial collapse. Some countries will not be hit as hard from the rapture, but others will suffer huge losses. With the collapse of the USA economy, the military mostly ineffective as a result of heavy losses from the rapture, there will be a power vaccum that needs to be filled. Weaker countries will need help, global leadership will be needed, and IMO, this will be the only time that there will be a true need for a OWG. Countries will simply have no choice but to form together as a way of survival. This will quickly be followed by the OWG being broken up into Ten Kingdoms, out of which the AC will rise.

IMO, the globalists will keep trying to form a OWG, but will never reach completion as long as the Holy Spirit is here. Once He departs, the entire church departs with Him.

Just to be clear - Nowhere does the bible state the OWG will be formed with the church still here, nor does it state that this cant happen.

I simply submit that the above scenario will be the likely sequence, but will require a gap of an unknown time between the rapture and the start of the tribulation. The Bible does not state if there will or wont be a gap, but we do know the rapture has to happen first. In order for the OWG to be fully formed, there needs to be some length of a gap.

JMHO - Thoughts?

What if it's not the rapture that causes the upheaval, but instead WWIII? There seems to be a pattern, as you wrote, that these global entities have been quickly formed after major world wars.

I'm just not convinced that the loss of Christians, worldwide, would have the catastrophic impact as a World War would. If anything, I don't think we're going to be missed. Even New Age Leaders are being seduced by demons to believe that there will be a large number of people removed to allow for the Earth's energy to be cleansed.

 

[Andy C]

What if it's not the rapture that causes the upheaval, but instead WWIII? There seems to be a pattern, as you wrote, that these global entities have been quickly formed after major world wars.

I'm just not convinced that the loss of Christians, worldwide, would have the catastrophic impact as a World War would. If anything, I don't think we're going to be missed. Even New Age Leaders are being seduced by demons to believe that there will be a large number of people removed to allow for the Earth's energy to be cleansed.

How could tens of Millions of people not be missed?

In the history of all wars, the total dead would not even be close to the numbers raptured.

Could it be a world war that sets the stage for the OWG, yes, its possible, such as Ezekiel 38, but I think a world war is less likely to kick off the OWG. JMHO

 

[Jeff K]

The first things that came to my mind - other than the rapture, are coming problems like global food shortages, collapsed dollar and energy / heating homes problems. Global food shortages, causing massive starvation, could cause blocks of nations to pull together.
You think about the big push right now to go digital currency and it would not take much to start heading into a one world economy.
We are literally on the verge of a one world everything, when you think about it. I don't think it will take much to push it over the edge.

 

[Andy C]

The first things that came to my mind - other than the rapture, are coming problems like global food shortages, collapsed dollar and energy / heating homes problems. Global food shortages, causing massive starvation, could cause blocks of nations to pull together.
You think about the big push right now to go digital currency and it would not take much to start heading into a one world economy.
We are literally on the verge of a one world everything, when you think about it. I don't think it will take much to push it over the edge.

Good points, it’s definitely a possibility.

Im not really sure how much of a global food shortage there is because even in just the US, different states have varying issues. In my state, I do all the shopping, and everything is available.

Because the technology is there for a global currency, do you really think all countries would be on board for this transition? Perhaps?

The globalists are pushing hard, but there is still a mountain of resistance from many countries blocking their path. Who knows how long the resistance will last, but IMO, we wont be here to find out.

Some cling to the 2030 reset, and that is definitely a possibility, but again, hopefully we will wave goodbye to Klaus and his stooges on our way up before its finalized.

TT - Im a little disappointed you have not responded to my OP with your valuable and knowledgeable views.

 

[Tall Timbers]

Didn't we recently discuss this topic? The thing that stands out to me is sometimes we seem to place more value in our favored scenarios than on what the Bible says about a specific topic.

 

[Andy C]

Didn't we recently discuss this topic? The thing that stands out to me is sometimes we seem to place more value in our favored scenarios than on what the Bible says about a specific topic.

I think the bible leans more towards the direction of scenario I presented as a possibility, then having His church hide in bunkers like paranoid believers, living in fear of a global OWG.

JMHO

 

[Mocha Latte]

Hmmm, I like speculating but I always keep in mind that it’s just that…speculation. However, I think of it a little like the weather. The farmer’s almanac usually provides us a very general expectation of the coming winter. But it’s not detailed at all. However, the two week forecast gives us some specific weather patterns but as we know, is often inaccurate and subject to big changes as time draws closer to the forecast. However, by the time it gets down to tomorrow’s forecast, that’s a lot closer and more accurate since all the details are lined up and available.

Like prophecy, the closer we get the more accurate (though still not written in stone) our predictions are. As the hour feels like it is getting very late, I do think a lot of your hypothesis is realistic. I mean think about it, the globalists are pushing hard to have their OWG but they still can’t seem to quite push that boulder over the edge. Why? Could it be that God is holding them back just a bit longer? And if so, that’s likely tied to the rapture of the church in some way, shape, or form. The restrainer. Therefore, a lot of pieces are in place and ready to go for a OWG but I think the removal of the church is the final piece standing in the way for it all to come together.

 

[Andy C]

Didn't we recently discuss this topic? The thing that stands out to me is sometimes we seem to place more value in our favored scenarios than on what the Bible says about a specific topic.

We have, several times. In my OP, I did mention where the Bible is silent on some areas, and other areas I said were my views.

As I also stated, I know members have differing views, and was hoping for an honest discussion, not a semi sarcastic response.

Discussion is good!

 

[Andy C]

I mean think about it, the globalists are pushing hard to have their OWG but they still can’t seem to quite push that boulder over the edge. Why? Could it be that God is holding them back just a bit longer? And if so, that’s likely tied to the rapture of the church in some way, shape, or form. The restrainer. Therefore, a lot of pieces are in place and ready to go for a OWG but I think the removal of the church is the final piece standing in the way for it all to come together.

Good post, and I obviously agree with the above.

Its all speculation, nothing is etched in stone, but is it possible some scenarios seem more likely?

OWG has been trying to form for almost the entire past century, but no success…..yet.

 

[SarahRose]

Therefore, a lot of pieces are in place and ready to go for a OWG but I think the removal of the church is the final piece standing in the way for it all to come together.

I agree. There has been plenty of stage setting going on. The more I read about this topic the more I think it’ll be the rapture that precedes the OWG because of how catastrophic it will be.

Regardless of what people blame the rapture on during that time, it seems likely that those wanting a OWG will use it to their advantage. Aliens, cleansing, etc. could all be something to “come together” over.

It’s all very interesting to think about

 

[Andy C]

I agree. There has been plenty of stage setting going on. The more I read about this topic the more I think it’ll be the rapture that precedes the OWG because of how catastrophic it will be.

Regardless of what people blame the rapture on during that time, it seems likely that those wanting a OWG will use it to their advantage. Aliens, cleansing, etc. could all be something to “come together” over.

It’s all very interesting to think about

No matter what eventually happens, I hope its soon, the suspense is killing me….

Im ready to fly away, but still have work to finish.

 

[Jeff K]

I just gave a message and a good part of it talked about spiritual blindness. I'm amazed at how blind people are to the times and Bible prophecy. I find myself often talking to others about how things like digital money would set up the ac to control what people buy and sell. It opens up a brief conversation, and into the gospel, but it all falls on deaf ears and dull hearts.
As said above, I agree that once we are gone and the Restrainer is taken out of the way, it will all start to fall in place rapidly.
Despite the timing and causes, these are pretty exciting times and also very easy to steer conversations to Christ.

 

[YallNeedJesus]

I think it will be the rapture that indeed causes the need for a OWG. I am of the mindset that this OWG is already fully planned out and mostly ready to be implemented. The proper crisis is needed for it to be readily accepted by most countries, and it makes a lot of sense to me that a global disappearance of millions of people would be enough to get it kickstarted.

 

[katt]

What if it's not the rapture that causes the upheaval, but instead WWIII? There seems to be a pattern, as you wrote, that these global entities have been quickly formed after major world wars.

I'm just not convinced that the loss of Christians, worldwide, would have the catastrophic impact as a World War would. If anything, I don't think we're going to be missed. Even New Age Leaders are being seduced by demons to believe that there will be a large number of people removed to allow for the Earth's energy to be cleansed.

Oh we'll be missed all right..with the dead in Christ all over the world rising first..no matter where they are..from graves..to funeral's..to burials...to cadavers being taught on..carved on and investigated on... to frozen embryo's all over the world simply disappearing.. Christians being operated on..all the way to beginning to be mayrtered..not to mention every elementary school on the planet losing every child that hasn't reached the age of accountability all the way down to the 6 week old babies in daycare..then the small stay at home children all disappearing at once..now let's talk about the disappearance of the workforce..we are not the only ones that will work..but we are the majority of the workforce...and those left will not be able to cover the loss of all those people...


Now let's talk about all the things the taken will leave behind..forget the big things like cars..assets, stocks, bonds bank accounts and houses.. let's talk about the little things, things you can't see..things like false teeth, pace makers, artificial limbs..knees and steel plates..littering the entire earth..along with shoes and clothing that once covered the feet and bodies of the taken..

Then there's the devestation caused by the taking... it'll make 9/11 look like a dress rehearsal for the real thing...

I didn't even mention things I think will happen that are controversial..
Just the things we know for a fact will happen is more than enough to ask/answer the question..

They won't notice? They won't miss us? Not likely..

 

[Jaybird]

I agree that the Rapture would certainly cause a "domino effect" of events that could usher in the OWG. There have been predictions of the US going bankrupt since the mid 1990's and here we are in 2022 still hanging on (albeit by a thread). Will the disappearance of millions of people be the proverbial "straw that breaks the camels back?" The bankruptcy of this country will not only cripple the US but it will set in motion a series of bankruptcies worldwide. An economic crisis almost always give opportunities for authoritarian governments to gain power. In recent history we have the examples of the The Russian Revolution and Hitler who both rose to power when economic times were bad. People who are hungry will let anyone take power if they can fix the economy. A big crisis coupled with an alien invasion just might unite all the countries to the idea of a OWG.

 

[rks7777]

What will cause the world to divide into ten kingdoms? At the end of WWI, even though most countries were not involved, the world leaders quickly formed the League of Nations. After WWII, again most countries were not involved, but the world leaders created an even bigger blueprint for the future OWG by forming the United Nations. To recap, with the majority of the world countries not involved in these two wars, they still rush to form a type of OWG. Neither one of these entities that were formed have been overly successful because countries are reluctant to totally give up their own sovereignty. What would cause them to again form a OWG? I submit the rapture of the church will cause such a global upheavel, that there will be a NEED for true global

I like your comments. Makes sense to me. One thing I want to mention is WW1. I’ve read a few good historical books on WW1. I’m by no means a WW1 “buff”, but I do like reading about both world wars. And while it’s true that the majority of the countries were not involved in fight WW1, a majority of the countries did pick a side and did participate either financially or by sending supplies. Far, far more countries were involved than just those that fought. In fact, I believe WW1 “kicked off” the last of the last days as it was a true world war. Minor point but I thought I would bring it up.

Again, your scenario makes sense to me although the longer down the road we go until the rapture, the fewer people from America will be leaving in my humble opinion. So for America to be hit hard the rapture needs to be sooner rather than later.

 

[Len]

I'm just not convinced that the loss of Christians, worldwide, would have the catastrophic impact as a World War would. If anything, I don't think we're going to be missed.

I agree with the summary that christians will not be missed ....... (and just a thought) that the resulting loss of all those Holy Spirit filled prayers and right actions were keeping things stable and with their absence will no doubt bring in that flood of demonic activity which will lead the world quickly into darkness

 

[Andy C]

I agree with the summary that christians will not be missed ....... (and just a thought) that the resulting loss of all those Holy Spirit filled prayers and right actions were keeping things stable and with their absence will no doubt bring in that flood of demonic activity which will lead the world quickly into darkness

I misstated in my response to Cheeky, I should of stated 100s of millions raptured.

The biggest impact could depend upon if all children under the age of accountability are raptured, which I believe will happen, although the bible is not clear on this.

Your right, the removal of the church will instantly cause global chaos beyond our scope of imagination of just how bad it will be.

 

[rks7777]

I misstated in my response to Cheeky, I should of stated 100s of millions raptured.

The biggest impact could depend upon if all children under the age of accountability are raptured, which I believe will happen, although the bible is not clear on this.

Your right, the removal of the church will instantly cause global chaos beyond our scope of imagination of just how bad it will be.

For me when I ponder this the unknown are the children. The rapture will be a 10 on the shock meter world wide. If children are indeed taken, that will take the shock meter to 11. As silly as it may sound, if children are not included in the rapture whole families that are not believers will be stunned to be sure but if their families are intact they will be thankful and will assume life will eventually return to normal and may actually be better with millions no longer consuming goods and services, jobs, etc.