Politics to Gospel Segue

Matthew6:33

Withstand in the evil day. Eph 6:13
I was thinking about this today and I think it would be very helpful for us to discuss because politics are such a hot topic.

What tactics do you guys use to segue a political discussion into the Gospel? Can you give an example?

I tend to be more of an introvert so I would find any advice very helpful!
 

Everlasting Life

Through Faith in Jesus
Well, I'll pick up my bible and throw it at them. The conversation shifts really fast!! :nod


Ok, totally kidding (I must have gotten a good nights rest last night). :lol


Often at the root of political discussion is fear, anxiousness about the future and a lack of trust (often rightly so) in what leader that happens to be in power.

Or a realization of how imperfect human beings, policies or even laws and regulations are.

And, how imperfect our world is.

So from the first point above one can certainly agree that mankind is not perfect and often untrustworthy (even if a good leader is being disparaged, I won't chime in on disparaging that leader but pivot to what the bible says about Who to trust) and as a result of seeing this in various leaders, I personally agree with God's similar assessment and then what He directs people to do. Put their trust in Him, Psalm 118:8-9:

It is better to take refuge in the Lord
than to trust in people.
It is better to take refuge in the Lord
than to trust in princes.

Psalm 118:8-9


From there I try to speak on how He is always faithful, faithful in my life, in others and in the ways His Word has shown. That God is worthy to be trusted.

The second to fourth points, I'll pivot from the current imperfect leaders to how the bible speaks on a future perfect leader and government. I'll refer to Isaiah 11 and Isaiah 9:6-7 to show that someday all will be made right again:


Out of the stump of David’s family will grow a shoot—
yes, a new Branch bearing fruit from the old root.
And the Spirit of the Lord will rest on him—
the Spirit of wisdom and understanding,
the Spirit of counsel and might,
the Spirit of knowledge and the fear of the Lord.
He will delight in obeying the Lord.
He will not judge by appearance
nor make a decision based on hearsay.
He will give justice to the poor
and make fair decisions for the exploited.
The earth will shake at the force of his word,
and one breath from his mouth will destroy the wicked.
He will wear righteousness like a belt
and truth like an undergarment.

In that day the wolf and the lamb will live together;
the leopard will lie down with the baby goat.
The calf and the yearling will be safe with the lion,
and a little child will lead them all.
The cow will graze near the bear.
The cub and the calf will lie down together.
The lion will eat hay like a cow.
The baby will play safely near the hole of a cobra.
Yes, a little child will put its hand in a nest of deadly snakes without harm.
Nothing will hurt or destroy in all my holy mountain,
for as the waters fill the sea,
so the earth will be filled with people who know the Lord.

Isaiah 11:1-9

For a child is born to us,
a son is given to us.
The government will rest on his shoulders.
And he will be called:
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
His government and its peace
will never end.
He will rule with fairness and justice from the throne of his ancestor David
for all eternity.
The passionate commitment of the Lord of Heaven’s Armies
will make this happen!
Isaiah 9:6-7


If a person is not a believer in Christ, I'll then talk about how faith in Christ is the door through which one may enjoy this future kingdom and then share the Gospel.

If a person is in Christ I will remind them about these verses of what a Christian has access to (along with the passages above):

“Don’t let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God, and trust also in me.........“I am leaving you with a gift—peace of mind and heart. And the peace I give is a gift the world cannot give. So don’t be troubled or afraid.
John 14:1, 27


And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Advocate, who will never leave you. He is the Holy Spirit, who leads into all truth. The world cannot receive him, because it isn’t looking for him and doesn’t recognize him. But you know him, because he lives with you now and later will be in you. No, I will not abandon you as orphans—I will come to you.
vs 16-18


These are just some ideas. As Pixelpusher said....lean on God and His Holy Spirit, we are told that God will help us to say what is needed to say.
 

Batman

Well-Known Member
I find it easy to tell people that the Bible does offer real and meaningful guidance on social/political/economic, etc. happenings in our world plus it's also easy to tell them that a lot of the geopolitical, behavioral, and other events and alignments were predicted in the Bible. Keeping the audience and not having them melt down or walk away is not easy!
 

Brother Albert R.

Jesus loved us and said we should Love our enemies
I was thinking about this today and I think it would be very helpful for us to discuss because politics are such a hot topic.

What tactics do you guys use to segue a political discussion into the Gospel? Can you give an example?

I tend to be more of an introvert so I would find any advice very helpful!
Thanks for asking this great question. I like what Everlasting Life wrote and I am hoping others will respond with more advice. Politics are not my strong point, so I do not have advice in this area. I tell people that I do not want to talk about politicians or political parties but I am more than willing to talk about issues such as abortion. My non Christian friend asked me the other day if I thought it was alright to have innocent children locked up behind bars, I told him that it was never right. I then asked him if he thought it was alright to kill a child before it was born, he said that he could not say that it was wrong or right. I then said that he surprised me, in that he was willing to say that putting an innocent child behind bars was wrong but killing an innocent child in the womb, he was undecided about. It caused him to think a little more when I compared the two issues. I have shared the gospel with him many times, but he is still resisting. Only God can reach the human heart with His love when words fail to do so.
I hope this helps,
God bless,
Brother Albert
 
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Jeff K

Well-Known Member
Lately, I have been using the movement toward a cashless society to segue into a biblical conversation. "The Bible tells us that the Antichrist will be able to control what you buy and sell - How could that happen unless cash was useles? Are you familiar with the Bible?"

There was a women in my office that was a professing Christian and a stout Democrat as well. She was in my office with another employee, a young man, and politics came up in conversation. I asked her how she as a Christian could support a party who rejects God, supports abortion and several other evil things. After a brief discussion, she left and I then asked the young man, "what are your spiritual beliefs?" We needed up having an hour conversation about the gospel of Christ.
 

crossnote

fully dependent upon His grace
My concern is that through the misplaced emphasis on politics, the premil/pretrib types (of who many of us on this Forum are), we are becoming Kingdom Now advocates...if not in doctrine, then at least in practice.
 

Matthew6:33

Withstand in the evil day. Eph 6:13
My concern is that through the misplaced emphasis on politics, the premil/pretrib types (of who many of us on this Forum are), we are becoming Kingdom Now advocates...if not in doctrine, then at least in practice.

Kingdom now advocates? Not sure I am following you?
 

crossnote

fully dependent upon His grace
Kingdom now advocates? Not sure I am following you?
Similar to Dominion Theology where the desire is to set up Christ's Kingdom here on earth.
(from Wiki)..." Kingdom Now theology is a branch of dominion theology which has had a following within Pentecostalism. It attracted attention in the late 1980s. Kingdom Now theology states that although Satan has been in control of the world since the Fall, God is looking for people who will help him take back dominion. "
 

crossnote

fully dependent upon His grace
I was thinking about this today and I think it would be very helpful for us to discuss because politics are such a hot topic.

What tactics do you guys use to segue a political discussion into the Gospel? Can you give an example?

I tend to be more of an introvert so I would find any advice very helpful!
Anyways to your point. One way is to point out the imperfections on both sides (of an issue).
Then point out that those imperfections are due to sin.
Then share the Gospel as the only remedy for man's sinfulness.
 

Matthew6:33

Withstand in the evil day. Eph 6:13
Similar to Dominion Theology where the desire is to set up Christ's Kingdom here on earth.
(from Wiki)..." Kingdom Now theology is a branch of dominion theology which has had a following within Pentecostalism. It attracted attention in the late 1980s. Kingdom Now theology states that although Satan has been in control of the world since the Fall, God is looking for people who will help him take back dominion. "

Well I definitely do not believe that. It's heresy. Christ's work is finished. I would argue that God never "lost dominion" of earth. Satan temporarily stole it from man when he tempted Adam and Eve and they committed original sin. God has always been soveriegn however. All that just sounds like another flavor of NAR false teaching.
 

crossnote

fully dependent upon His grace
Well I definitely do not believe that. It's heresy. Christ's work is finished. I would argue that God never "lost dominion" of earth. Satan temporarily stole it from man when he tempted Adam and Eve and they committed original sin. God has always been soveriegn however. All that just sounds like another flavor of NAR false teaching.
I didn't intend to imply you believed it. I was just trying to point out what I perceive as a slide by many pre-tribs, in their interest in looking at all the political events, attempt to make sense of them in the light of biblical prophecy but end up pushing for one side politically (conservative vs liberal) or the other, to the point where the kingdoms of this world play a more important role than the Kingdom of Heaven.
 

railfan727

Well-Known Member
I find politics and the current global issues to be the perfect segue to the Gospel, as people struggle with anxiety, fear, depression, and grief, they are much more open and willing to listen.
I have a fellow train enthusiast friend up in Canada who I feel led to share the gospel with. I mentioned that the events of 2020 seem to have a dark, sinister undertone to me and I wanted to hear his response. I'd hoped he'd confide about being frightened and wanting to know what the heck is going on so that I could attempt to explain things from a big picture Biblical point of view and throw in some links to some articles to help explain a bit further. Unfortunately, while his response was well thought out, it seems that he's pretty deep into the secular/liberal side and he isn't showing the fear or uncertainty that I was hoping to see. I am still trying to figure out how to respond but I wanted to run this by you guys to try to get some additional wisdom before I throw some words together and fire them off. He seems to actually be enthusiastic about the Great Reset and I find that to be highly unsettling... yet he's never mentioned any out-and-out hatred for God or His followers, or support for LGBT or anything like that.


"Getting a bit more philosophical (short questions can make long answers!) I've had an
interesting experience of 2020. I actually haven't had as much trouble with it as a lot of other
people I know, and I think there were several factors at play. One is that my work schedule
was already erratic and seasonal to begin with, so an altered or unpredictable daily routine
didn't mean anything - and whatever indoor work I lost to covid has been compensated by
new covid-related zoom and audio processing jobs. Another huge factor was getting into
cycling - I ended up doing 4300 km since May and it was the biggest-ever boon for mental
and physical health. I've definitely missed having in-person gatherings (not having the local
university choir has been one of the hardest) but life has adapted.

But to be frank I think things are a bit easier this side of the border. I feel sorry for Americans
right now - the polarization and politicization of every issue is astonishing. In Canada,
although the impact from covid has been serious, it hasn't been politicized - federal and
provincial parties have been pretty much unanimous in their response and there's been a
central narrative of caring for the well-being of others (not to mention public health care for
anyone affected).

I've had the feeling for many years that the world was soon going to go through a transition to
a better, more sustainable way of living - but that the transition would be messy and difficult
for a few decades, and that I would not necessarily see the result of it in my lifetime. For the
first time in 2020 I now feel like that transition is actually underway. I think it's going to be
challenging in the US, where it seems the pursuit of individual success, freedom and material
wealth (even at the expense of others) are now causing more harm than good.

I think things will get better, but it will take a while and it will be a tough transition. There have
been some astonishing environmental and economic initiatives taking shape in parts of the
world that have been overshadowed by the pandemic - and it's often been the
good-but-mundane developments (which don't always make the news) that give me hope in
a world that can seem dark."

Can I ask my dear brothers and sisters to pray for my friend, and assist me in crafting a response that might help open the door to Biblical conversation? I do not wish to identify him at this point.

Thank you!
 

Brother Albert R.

Jesus loved us and said we should Love our enemies
I have a fellow train enthusiast friend up in Canada who I feel led to share the gospel with. I mentioned that the events of 2020 seem to have a dark, sinister undertone to me and I wanted to hear his response. I'd hoped he'd confide about being frightened and wanting to know what the heck is going on so that I could attempt to explain things from a big picture Biblical point of view and throw in some links to some articles to help explain a bit further. Unfortunately, while his response was well thought out, it seems that he's pretty deep into the secular/liberal side and he isn't showing the fear or uncertainty that I was hoping to see. I am still trying to figure out how to respond but I wanted to run this by you guys to try to get some additional wisdom before I throw some words together and fire them off. He seems to actually be enthusiastic about the Great Reset and I find that to be highly unsettling... yet he's never mentioned any out-and-out hatred for God or His followers, or support for LGBT or anything like that.


"Getting a bit more philosophical (short questions can make long answers!) I've had an
interesting experience of 2020. I actually haven't had as much trouble with it as a lot of other
people I know, and I think there were several factors at play. One is that my work schedule
was already erratic and seasonal to begin with, so an altered or unpredictable daily routine
didn't mean anything - and whatever indoor work I lost to covid has been compensated by
new covid-related zoom and audio processing jobs. Another huge factor was getting into
cycling - I ended up doing 4300 km since May and it was the biggest-ever boon for mental
and physical health. I've definitely missed having in-person gatherings (not having the local
university choir has been one of the hardest) but life has adapted.

But to be frank I think things are a bit easier this side of the border. I feel sorry for Americans
right now - the polarization and politicization of every issue is astonishing. In Canada,
although the impact from covid has been serious, it hasn't been politicized - federal and
provincial parties have been pretty much unanimous in their response and there's been a
central narrative of caring for the well-being of others (not to mention public health care for
anyone affected).

I've had the feeling for many years that the world was soon going to go through a transition to
a better, more sustainable way of living - but that the transition would be messy and difficult
for a few decades, and that I would not necessarily see the result of it in my lifetime. For the
first time in 2020 I now feel like that transition is actually underway. I think it's going to be
challenging in the US, where it seems the pursuit of individual success, freedom and material
wealth (even at the expense of others) are now causing more harm than good.

I think things will get better, but it will take a while and it will be a tough transition. There have
been some astonishing environmental and economic initiatives taking shape in parts of the
world that have been overshadowed by the pandemic - and it's often been the
good-but-mundane developments (which don't always make the news) that give me hope in
a world that can seem dark."

Can I ask my dear brothers and sisters to pray for my friend, and assist me in crafting a response that might help open the door to Biblical conversation? I do not wish to identify him at this point.

Thank you!
Come right out and ask him if he has ever gone to church, what Christmas is all about, why is our dating method based on the birth of Jesus...There are many ways to take someone's temperature to see were they are at with the Lord. You might be surprised at what you learn. Ask questions about what he believes about God, because everything he wrote does not give me a clue to his spiritual state. What does he believe happens when we die? I am sure you can figure out a way to ask him all these questions in a more subtle manner than I laid out. But above all keep praying that God will allow you to write something that will resonate with him. It seems obvious to me that God has put you in his life to reach him for the kingdom. It is wonderful to find out that God is using us and later finding out that someone in their family has been praying for someone to reach them. As I think of more I will respond.
Thank you for sharing the gospel with him...he may be the last one to hear it before the trumpet blows.
God bless you railfan as you do the work of the Lord
your brother in Christ
Albert
 

pixelpusher

Well-Known Member
I have a fellow train enthusiast friend up in Canada who I feel led to share the gospel with. I mentioned that the events of 2020 seem to have a dark, sinister undertone to me and I wanted to hear his response. I'd hoped he'd confide about being frightened and wanting to know what the heck is going on so that I could attempt to explain things from a big picture Biblical point of view and throw in some links to some articles to help explain a bit further. Unfortunately, while his response was well thought out, it seems that he's pretty deep into the secular/liberal side and he isn't showing the fear or uncertainty that I was hoping to see. I am still trying to figure out how to respond but I wanted to run this by you guys to try to get some additional wisdom before I throw some words together and fire them off. He seems to actually be enthusiastic about the Great Reset and I find that to be highly unsettling... yet he's never mentioned any out-and-out hatred for God or His followers, or support for LGBT or anything like that.


"Getting a bit more philosophical (short questions can make long answers!) I've had an
interesting experience of 2020. I actually haven't had as much trouble with it as a lot of other
people I know, and I think there were several factors at play. One is that my work schedule
was already erratic and seasonal to begin with, so an altered or unpredictable daily routine
didn't mean anything - and whatever indoor work I lost to covid has been compensated by
new covid-related zoom and audio processing jobs. Another huge factor was getting into
cycling - I ended up doing 4300 km since May and it was the biggest-ever boon for mental
and physical health. I've definitely missed having in-person gatherings (not having the local
university choir has been one of the hardest) but life has adapted.

But to be frank I think things are a bit easier this side of the border. I feel sorry for Americans
right now - the polarization and politicization of every issue is astonishing. In Canada,
although the impact from covid has been serious, it hasn't been politicized - federal and
provincial parties have been pretty much unanimous in their response and there's been a
central narrative of caring for the well-being of others (not to mention public health care for
anyone affected).

I've had the feeling for many years that the world was soon going to go through a transition to
a better, more sustainable way of living - but that the transition would be messy and difficult
for a few decades, and that I would not necessarily see the result of it in my lifetime. For the
first time in 2020 I now feel like that transition is actually underway. I think it's going to be
challenging in the US, where it seems the pursuit of individual success, freedom and material
wealth (even at the expense of others) are now causing more harm than good.

I think things will get better, but it will take a while and it will be a tough transition. There have
been some astonishing environmental and economic initiatives taking shape in parts of the
world that have been overshadowed by the pandemic - and it's often been the
good-but-mundane developments (which don't always make the news) that give me hope in
a world that can seem dark."

Can I ask my dear brothers and sisters to pray for my friend, and assist me in crafting a response that might help open the door to Biblical conversation? I do not wish to identify him at this point.

Thank you!



He thinks the world is about to transition, and it may be messy. You might find a jumpiing off point there, as you also believe the world is fixing to change and get messy, but from a different perspective, a Biblical one.

I agree with Bro Albert, find out what he believes. He mentioned choir, so maybe there is some assent there for God, tho he may or may not be saved.

I've found lately that it helps if I ask people would they discuss, or would they allow me to share my view from a Biblical perspective. I've learned that starting by claiming "you're a sinner, we're all sinners" and "this is what you must do", just turns people off.

If you can plant some seeds of the pure Word in him, that is best. Gently till up the ground first, and try to find some crevices to place them rather than just scatteriing on the rocks. Then let the Word go forth and accomplish the purpose God sent it for.

:pray
 
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