Noah, Finally Vindicated

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Noah, Finally Vindicated
By Wendy Wippel

Science has recently announced, more than 3,000 years since the most ridiculed and “disproven” event in Scripture putatively occurred, that the famous flood that Noah and his sons survived to describe is now, incredibly, being scientifically supported.

I kid you not.

The news broke from the Smithsonian, of all places, as one of the scientists in residence there released a paper describing his research. According to James Trefil;

“Sediment layers suggest that 7,500 years ago Mediterranean water roared into the Black Sea.”

Of course, scripture tells us that, ″The fountains of the great deep [were] broken up, and the windows of the heavens were opened. And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights.”

We get that in Genesis. Specifically in the story of Noah’s flood. Scholars have known for a long time that the Bible isn’t the only place this story is found — in fact, the biblical story is similar to a much older Mesopotamian flood story in the epic of Gilgamesh.

Former scientists have chalked the ancient world flood legends to sitting around campfires telling exaggerated stories of a former flood, but today’s scientists have recently uncovered evidence that the biblical account of Noah’s flood may actually be an accurate account of real historical events. “Noah’s flood may have a basis in some rather astonishing events that took place in the area of the the Black Sea some 3,500 years ago.”

In the researchers’ words:

“The scientific version of Noah’s flood actually starts long before that, back during the last great glaciation some 20,000 years ago.”

This was a time when the earth looked very different from what we are used to today. Thick ice sheets extended down from the North Pole as far as Chicago and New York City. All that water had to come from somewhere, so ocean levels were about 400 feet lower than they are today. In essence, water that evaporated from the oceans fell as snow (which was compacted into glacial ice) rather than rain (which would flow back and replenish the oceans as it does now). The East Coast of the United States was 75 to 150 miles farther out than it is today, and places like Manhattan and Baltimore would have been inland cities. During this period, meltwater from the European glaciers flowed down to the Black Sea basin, then out through a river channel into the Mediterranean. Because the Mediterranean is connected to the world ocean at Gibraltar, it was also 400 feet lower than it is today, so this flow of fresh water through the Black Sea was downhill.

Two geologists at Columbia University’s, Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory have offered a new theory of what happened next. William Ryan and Walter Pitman, in Noah’s Flood (Simon & Schuster), postulate that as time went on, the world warmed, the glaciers retreated and meltwater from the European glaciers began to flow north into the North Sea, depriving the Black Sea of its main source of replenishment. The level of the Black Sea began to drop, and most of the area around its northern boundary — the area adjacent to present-day Crimea and the Sea of Azov — became dry land. At this point, the level of the Black Sea was several hundred feet below that of the Mediterranean, and the two were separated by the barrier of the Bosporus, then dry land. This situation, with the world ocean rising while the Black Sea was falling, could not last forever. Eventually, like a bathtub overflowing, the Mediterranean had to pour through into the Black Sea basin.

The idea that ocean basins can flood catastrophically during periods of rising sea levels is nothing new in geology. Five million years ago, long before there were any humans around, just such an event occurred. The level of the Atlantic Ocean had dropped, or some tectonic event had occurred, with the result that water could no longer get through, and the Mediterranean gradually shrank down to a desert spotted with a few salty bits of ocean. Subsequently, when either the Atlantic rose again or another geological change took place, ocean water began pouring back into the former sea. The basin filled, and the present-day Mediterranean was created.

We know such things because sediments reveal history. Ryan and Pitman began taking cores of the present-day Black Sea. The cores seemed to be telling a strange story indeed, particularly in the northern areas. At the very bottom of the cores, dozens of feet below the present seafloor, they found layered mud typical of river deltas.

Carbon-dating of shells in this mud indicates that it was laid down between 18,000 and 18,600 years ago. This data showed that an area of the Black Sea about the size of Florida might have been much like the lower Mississippi Delta today — rich farmland with an abundant supply of fresh water.

Directly above the layers of mud is a layer of what Pitman calls “shell hash” — an inch-thick layer of broken shells — overlain by several feet of fine sediment of the type being brought into the Black Sea by rivers today. The shells in the “hash” are typical of what was in the Black Sea when it was a body of fresh water. The fine sediments contain evidence of saltwater species previously unknown in the Black Sea. It is the interpretation of these layers that tells us what happened on that inevitable day when rising sea levels in the Mediterranean reached the base of the sediments at the bottom of the Bosporus — and all hell broke loose.

When the Mediterranean began to flow northward, it “popped the plug” and pushed those sediments into a “tongue” of loose sediment on the bottom of what would become the present-day Black Sea (this tongue can still be seen in cores taken from the ocean bottom in that area). As the flow of water increased, it began to cut into the bedrock itself. The rock in this area is broken — Pitman calls it “trashy” — and even today rockslides are a major engineering problem for roads cut into the cliffs alongside the Bosporus. The incoming water eventually dug a channel more than 300 feet deep as it poured into the Black Sea basin, changing it from a freshwater lake to a saltwater ocean. In this scenario, the mud beneath the shell hash represents sediments from the rivers that fed the freshwater lake, the shell hash are the remains of the animals that lived in that lake, and the layers above it the result of the saltwater incursion.

It was this event that Pitman and Ryan believe could be the flood recorded in the Book of Genesis. The salt water poured through the deepening channel, creating a waterfall 200 times the volume of Niagara Falls (anyone who has ever traveled to the base of the falls on the Maid of the Mist will have a sense of the power involved). In a single day enough water came through the channel to cover Manhattan to a depth at least two times the height of the World Trade Center, and the roar of the cascading water would have been audible at least 100 miles away. Anyone living in the fertile farmlands on the northern rim of the sea would have had the harrowing experience of seeing the boundary of the ocean move inland at the rate of a mile a day.

In addition, Pitman and Ryan point out what archaeologists who study ancient civilizations have known for a long time: that at roughly the time of the flood, a number of people and new customs suddenly appeared in places as far apart as Egypt and the foothills of the Himalayas, Prague and Paris. The people included speakers of Indo-European, the language from which most modern European and Indian languages are derived. Pitman and Ryan suggest that these people might, in fact, represent a diaspora of Black Sea farmers who were driven from their homes by the flood, and that the flood itself might have been the cause of the breakup of Indo-European languages.”

That’s the theory. Are these scientists right? Time will tell.

Walter Pitman, however, A geologist in the research group adds one more clue be considered:

“When you look at the settlements those people built,” (when they rebuilt) , “not one of them is less than 150 feet above sea level!”

The funny thing is that I woke up yesterday morning thinking that I really wanted to find some solid evidence for Noah and his Ark. And this was featured on my computer yesterday morning. . Three cheers for Noah and sons!

Again, a little Francis Bacon: “A little science estranges a man from God, a lot of science brings him back.”

Never fails!

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athenasius

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And that sounds awfully like the local flood theory that I heard from the pulpit of our last church! Which begs the question, who ya gonna believe?

God said in the Bible the waters covered the WHOLE EARTH, and ALL LAND LIFE PERISHED except for what was in the Ark with Noah.

If it's a local flood, even a rapid one, some people survive, just by being on a hill or a mountain at the time of the disaster. If it's a slow enough event, even more people and animals can run to the hills. Some can cling to wood long enough to be washed ashore.

The bottom line isn't having a party when science partially lines up with the Bible, it's a matter of WHO do you follow? WHO TELLS THE TRUTH????? ALL THE TIME?????
 

TruthBJesus

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On Netflix is a documentary entitled, "Is Genesis History". Worth the watch. Of course the flood was global. The Bible says so. The evidence is all around us and this documentary drives it home. Besides, Creation was accomplished in 6 literal days and God rested on the 7th.....literal 24 hour periods.
 

clouds

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Right you are Duck! George just got his bloodwork results, and after going OFF anti cholesterol meds, and eating bacon and fatty ham, ribs and so forth, his bad cholesterol is DOWN.

Go BACON, yum. Kind of like health food if you ask me!
Bacon probably is a health food if you can get some that does not have the nitrates etc. in it. Reasonable amounts of fats coming from animal-based food, such as eggs and animal fats etc, is what the body needs for rebuilding its cells. I have heard that the brain is mostly made up of cholesterol, which would mean that cutting back too much on good cholesterol might not be such a good idea.
I have also read that bad cholesterol generally comes from the liver converting carbohydrates from plants into a usable form of cholesterol. That is the type of cholesterol which is said to be the main cause of clogged arteries, although many doctors include animal-based cholesterol as also being a potential cause too.
 

usoutpost31

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Noah was vindicated when the door of the Ark was shut and the first drops of rain began to fall. That wicked and corrupt generation of his time that needed to heed the warnings of the Lord's impending judgement. Perhaps some of them might've been saved if they had.

The Flood was accepted as an historical event for a long time, affirmed by Jesus himself in Matthew 24:37. If we don't accept the story of Noah, just as the Bible says it happened, an act of God and not an naturally occurring event? We miss the point of the story. Noah found grace, favor and deliverance by walking with God. For those who don't live by faith, who mock the story of Noah, the people of Noah's day eventually got all the "proof" they needed that God was a reality and so was his wrath. By then it was too late.

2 Peter 3:3-7

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3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
 
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Carl

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Something else is missing. Seems like if the ocean levels dropped by 400 feet that the salinity would increase noticeably. Never have I heard a thing about major changes of ocean's salinity. Supposedly the continents split apart at the time of the waters of the deep busting through to the surface of the earth. When this happened the continents slid apart on a cushion of water. At least a world-wide flood is being considered.
 
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