Mysticism and the Coming World Religion – Part 1

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Mysticism and the Coming World Religion — Part 1
By T. A. McMahon

“Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.” – 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4

“And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?” – Revelation 13:3-4

“And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.” – Revelation 13:8

According to the Scriptures, in the last days prior to Christ’s return a religion will appear that will deceive virtually the entire world into following it. It will be led by the Antichrist (“the beast”), who will be worshiped as God.

Scripture also indicates, however, that the bride of Christ will be removed from the earth in the Rapture (Jn 14:1-3; 1 Th 4:16-18) before that religion is fulfilled. If true, then why would the knowledge of the coming world religion be of value for true believers in Christ?

There are a number of reasons. First of all, the biblically false content of the coming world religion doesn’t suddenly appear overnight. The seeds of it began in the Garden of Eden with Satan’s seduction of Eve (Gn 3:1). His first words, “Yea, hath God said…?,” set forth his strategy of undermining God’s commands and instructions. That has continued right up to this present time and is increasing exponentially. Secondly, Satan’s offer of godhood to Eve has manifested itself throughout history. Most of the religions of the Far East teach that God is everything or in everything, making everything and everyone God or part of God. Many of the Caesars and other rulers imposed the worship of themselves as deities upon their people. Those forms of idolatry will culminate in the worship of self, the Antichrist, and Satan.

Thirdly, Jesus characterized the days prior to His return for His bride as a time of great deception. He told His disciples, “Take heed that no man deceive you” (Mt 24:4 – emphasis added). His warning included deceits such as false Christs, lying signs and wonders, and unbiblical doctrines and teachers. Some have wrongly concluded that Christ’s warning wasn’t for believers, asserting that verse 24 implies that it would be impossible to “deceive the very elect” (24:24). That can’t be the case because Jesus addressed this warning (v. 4) to His disciples — who were certainly His “elect.” Fourthly, the Word of God gives multiple instructions on how to protect ourselves from the lies of Satan that can adversely affect our fruitfulness in the Lord.

These seductive and deceptive devices of God’s chief adversary will increase prior to the Rapture, but God’s Word gives us the prevention program against being seduced by Satan’s lies: “Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour” (1 Pt 5:8).

The Apostle Paul pointed to a time in the history of the church when a condition would be prevalent that would greatly undermine the faith of professing and true believers: “For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables” (2 Tm 4:3). Sound doctrine — what is that? It’s simply the teachings given to mankind by God through His prophets. It is God’s written Word, His objective communication to humanity, containing information that comes directly from Him without the input of mankind. That’s what makes it sound doctrine. God, being infinite, has communicated to finite man what He wants him to know and do. That’s the only way finite humanity can truly know their infinite Creator and what He has in mind regarding them.

Undermining sound doctrine is Satan’s primary goal in his attempt to shipwreck the faith and fruitfulness of believers. The strategy involves corrupting the Word of God by adding to it or subtracting from it. Thus the Scriptures are distorted through the input of fallen, finite man and the contributions of seducing spirits and doctrines of demons (1 Tm 4:1). Such modifications demolish the objective truth of Scripture. The Bible no longer stands as God’s Word when “adjustments” are made by other sources. This is taking place today in unprecedented fashion, especially through the introduction (or re-introduction) of mysticism.

The antithesis of the objective Word of God, mysticism is defined by The Merriam-Webster Dictionary as “the belief that direct knowledge of God, spiritual truth, or ultimate reality can be attained through subjective experience such as intuition or insight,” and adds that it is “vague speculation, a belief without sound basis.” Google gives this definition: “belief characterized by self-delusion or dreamy confusion of thought, especially when based on the assumption of occult qualities or mysterious agencies.” A mystical worldview, which is intensifying in both the world and its religions, will be foundational to the coming one-world religion.

Among many reasons, the primary one is that mysticism has a universal appeal that will attract and unify all the religions of the world. Why? Because it avoids doctrine (rules, regulations, commandments, obligations, requirements, etc.). The doctrines of the Bible are given by God and are to be obeyed; not obeying them is rebellion, which is the state of the world as well as the state of many within the church. The religions of the world also have doctrines, albeit false ones, against which their followers often rebel. Doctrines divide because people don’t particularly like rules that demand obedience. The stricter the rules, the less attractive the religion. That’s a potential problem for the religion of the Antichrist because its goal is to attract other belief systems and draw all people into its spiritual web.

Mysticism avoids objective rules and requirements, whether biblical or not. It’s a belief system without a sound (objective) basis that majors on subjective experience, insights, intuition, dreamy confusion of thought (e.g., altered states of consciousness), speculation, and mysterious agencies. So the arbiter of what is right and true is how one feels: “If it feels right, then it must be right, and therefore ultimately true.”

In order for mysticism to become the foundational belief system of the one-world religion, it must include all the world religions. With rare exceptions, the religions of the Far East are fundamentally mystical, so little change is necessary for them. But what of the law-oriented religions of Roman Catholicism and Islam? Their combined numbers exceed two billion followers, so they must be included in the religion of the Antichrist. Yet they are both legalistic—Catholicism with its canons and decrees, inquisitions, and obligations, and Islam with its Sharia laws. Obviously this must change in order for them to fit in with the necessary ecumenism of the one-world religion.

Such a change will likely be facilitated by the roots of mysticism that have been a part of both religions for centuries. In Roman Catholicism, for example, the influence of the Desert Fathers began in the third century, just before Constantine, and continued past the time of Augustine in the fourth and fifth centuries. These were hermits and mystics, living in seclusion, in caves, some of them attempting to imitate Jesus in His personal desert confrontation with the devil. Their fleshly attempts at overcoming Satan and his demons often led to madness. They lived in caves, isolated from the rest of civilization, which also led to altered states of consciousness. As we know today, that condition opens a person to communication with the spirit world, i.e., demons. An altered mental state often creates the illusion of oneness, or union, with God—the ultimate goal of mysticism.

This system of isolation was in place at the beginning of the development of the Roman Catholic Church. It was furthered through monasticism, in which monks and nuns withdrew from society by entering monasteries. The idea was to fully commit themselves to God by separating from the secular world. Some monastic orders took vows of silence. That left them vulnerable to the spirit realm. (Silence, by the way, is a huge feature of and heavily promoted by the contemplative movement today.)

In the sixteenth century, a Spaniard named Ignatius Loyola, who was the founder of the Jesuits, fostered mysticism through his Spiritual Exercises. They are enormously popular among Catholics and contemplative evangelicals today. One Jesuit source tells us: “Ignatius was convinced that God can speak to us as surely through our imagination as through our thoughts and memories. In the Ignatian tradition, praying with the imagination is called contemplation” (Kevin O’Brien, The Ignatian Adventure: Experiencing the Spiritual Exercises of St. Ignatius, p.141). “Praying with the imagination,” by the way, is another term for creative visualization, a powerful occult technique that ushers the visualizer into the spirit realm.

Contemplative techniques have divorced the practitioner from the objective Word of God, leading one into the subjective arena of the imagination and feelings. This is what people like Richard Foster (Celebration of Discipline) and Sarah Young (Jesus Calling) are promoting. The practical consequences of disregarding critical judgment are often disastrous. Yet that is and will be the outcome of a religious system that people will flock to in the Last Days.

Following the mystical practices of Ignatius Loyola in our day were Catholics Thomas Merton and Henri Nouwen. Both are deceased. Merton was a Trappist monk and priest; Nouwen was also a priest, and both were well-known mystics. They were paragons of the modern contemplative movement and greatly influenced leading evangelicals such as Richard Foster, Dallas Willard, Eugene Peterson, Beth Moore, Kay Warren, and others. Merton studied the Desert Fathers and the Christian mystics and recognized their connection with the meditative practices of Eastern mysticism in Zen Buddhism, Taoism, and Sufism, which he taught and practiced. Asked if he felt that “turning away from traditional Christianity toward the East” would cause “an eventual turning back to a different form of Christianity, one that might even be more genuine,” Merton replied, “Yes, I think so” (Merton, Thomas Merton: Preview of the Asian Journey, 53-54).

Henri Nouwen has become the favored mystic among evangelicals. One of his most popular books is Behold the Beauty of the Lord: Praying with Icons. It’s an instruction manual on how to use imagery as the window of heaven in order to enter into the deeper things of the soul. Nouwen espouses mysticism because he sees it “as my call to help every person claim his or her own way to God.” That doesn’t seem to faze Rick Warren, who quotes him favorably in his best-selling Purpose Driven Life, or Kay Warren, who recommends Nouwen’s books, or Philip Yancy, who sings his praises in Christianity Today, or Chuck Swindoll, who is enamored with his contemplative teachings, or Tony Campolo, who calls the deceased Catholic priest “one of the great Christians of our time.”

Of late there is Pope Francis. Surging ahead at an ecumenical and mystical speed that thrills the world’s religions and has left traditional Catholicism in its wake, the pope and his ecumenism has many professing Christians flocking to Rome at his personal invitation: Kenneth Copeland, James Robison, Rick Warren, Geoff Tunnicliffe, John Arnott, and Joel Osteen, to name a few. After meeting with the pope, Osteen said, “I like the fact that this pope is trying to make the church larger, not smaller. He’s not pushing people out but making the church more inclusive. That resonated with me.” Luis Palau has been a long-time friend of the pope, and Timothy George wrote an article for Christianity Today titled “Our Francis, Too: Why we can enthusiastically join arms with the Catholic leader.”

The most influential evangelical pastor today, Rick Warren, refers to him as “our new pope.” Pope Francis is certainly the man for the renewal of mystical Roman Catholicism. He’s a Jesuit, fully rehearsed in the Spiritual Exercises. In his address before the US Congress recently, he praised mystic monk and priest Thomas Merton.

Many were appalled that one of the first overtures of the new head of the Roman Catholic Church in regard to winning and influencing evangelicals was to send a personal greeting to a conference led by Kenneth Copeland. Was the pope clueless about Copeland’s false doctrines, his charismatic abuses, his prosperity distortions of Scripture, not to mention his con-man-like greed? I think not. Why? Because it doesn’t really matter. Doctrines, whether true or false, take a back seat — or no seat at all — in mysticism. Remember, as noted, doctrines divide. Therefore they need to be pushed aside in order to make room for what helps people to get along, what encourages relationship building, what feels right. That was the gist of the Christianity Today article, “What Evangelicals Like about Francis.” Never mind the theology of the pope. It’s how he makes everyone feel. More and more, it seems, this is what’s important to people.

Fewer and fewer evangelicals today seem to care that all the feel good stuff that Francis reflects personally won’t save him or anyone else. Neither will the gospel of his Church save anyone – whether it’s the new or the old Catholicism. The following quotes in the official Catholic catechism have been a mystery for quite a while. Many within and without the Church have been at a loss as to how to interpret them: “For the Son of God became man so that we might become God….The only-begotten Son of God, wanting to make us sharers in his divinity, assumed our nature, so that he, made man, might make men gods” (CCC paragraph 460). What is now becoming apparent is the way those statements fit perfectly with the foundational objective of mysticism: union with God.

The seeds of mysticism have certainly found fertile soil within legalistic Roman Catholicism, but what of the even more oppressive Sharia law that is foundational to Islam? Are Muslims therefore impervious to mystical beliefs?

(To Be Continued)

TBC

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athenasius

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Mysticism and the Coming World Religion — Part 1
By T. A. McMahon

“Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.” – 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4

“And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?” – Revelation 13:3-4

“And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.” – Revelation 13:8

According to the Scriptures, in the last days prior to Christ’s return a religion will appear that will deceive virtually the entire world into following it. It will be led by the Antichrist (“the beast”), who will be worshiped as God.

Scripture also indicates, however, that the bride of Christ will be removed from the earth in the Rapture (Jn 14:1-3; 1 Th 4:16-18) before that religion is fulfilled. If true, then why would the knowledge of the coming world religion be of value for true believers in Christ?

There are a number of reasons. First of all, the biblically false content of the coming world religion doesn’t suddenly appear overnight. The seeds of it began in the Garden of Eden with Satan’s seduction of Eve (Gn 3:1). His first words, “Yea, hath God said…?,” set forth his strategy of undermining God’s commands and instructions. That has continued right up to this present time and is increasing exponentially. Secondly, Satan’s offer of godhood to Eve has manifested itself throughout history. Most of the religions of the Far East teach that God is everything or in everything, making everything and everyone God or part of God. Many of the Caesars and other rulers imposed the worship of themselves as deities upon their people. Those forms of idolatry will culminate in the worship of self, the Antichrist, and Satan.

Thirdly, Jesus characterized the days prior to His return for His bride as a time of great deception. He told His disciples, “Take heed that no man deceive you” (Mt 24:4 – emphasis added). His warning included deceits such as false Christs, lying signs and wonders, and unbiblical doctrines and teachers. Some have wrongly concluded that Christ’s warning wasn’t for believers, asserting that verse 24 implies that it would be impossible to “deceive the very elect” (24:24). That can’t be the case because Jesus addressed this warning (v. 4) to His disciples — who were certainly His “elect.” Fourthly, the Word of God gives multiple instructions on how to protect ourselves from the lies of Satan that can adversely affect our fruitfulness in the Lord.

These seductive and deceptive devices of God’s chief adversary will increase prior to the Rapture, but God’s Word gives us the prevention program against being seduced by Satan’s lies: “Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour” (1 Pt 5:8).

The Apostle Paul pointed to a time in the history of the church when a condition would be prevalent that would greatly undermine the faith of professing and true believers: “For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables” (2 Tm 4:3). Sound doctrine — what is that? It’s simply the teachings given to mankind by God through His prophets. It is God’s written Word, His objective communication to humanity, containing information that comes directly from Him without the input of mankind. That’s what makes it sound doctrine. God, being infinite, has communicated to finite man what He wants him to know and do. That’s the only way finite humanity can truly know their infinite Creator and what He has in mind regarding them.

Undermining sound doctrine is Satan’s primary goal in his attempt to shipwreck the faith and fruitfulness of believers. The strategy involves corrupting the Word of God by adding to it or subtracting from it. Thus the Scriptures are distorted through the input of fallen, finite man and the contributions of seducing spirits and doctrines of demons (1 Tm 4:1). Such modifications demolish the objective truth of Scripture. The Bible no longer stands as God’s Word when “adjustments” are made by other sources. This is taking place today in unprecedented fashion, especially through the introduction (or re-introduction) of mysticism.

The antithesis of the objective Word of God, mysticism is defined by The Merriam-Webster Dictionary as “the belief that direct knowledge of God, spiritual truth, or ultimate reality can be attained through subjective experience such as intuition or insight,” and adds that it is “vague speculation, a belief without sound basis.” Google gives this definition: “belief characterized by self-delusion or dreamy confusion of thought, especially when based on the assumption of occult qualities or mysterious agencies.” A mystical worldview, which is intensifying in both the world and its religions, will be foundational to the coming one-world religion.

Among many reasons, the primary one is that mysticism has a universal appeal that will attract and unify all the religions of the world. Why? Because it avoids doctrine (rules, regulations, commandments, obligations, requirements, etc.). The doctrines of the Bible are given by God and are to be obeyed; not obeying them is rebellion, which is the state of the world as well as the state of many within the church. The religions of the world also have doctrines, albeit false ones, against which their followers often rebel. Doctrines divide because people don’t particularly like rules that demand obedience. The stricter the rules, the less attractive the religion. That’s a potential problem for the religion of the Antichrist because its goal is to attract other belief systems and draw all people into its spiritual web.

Mysticism avoids objective rules and requirements, whether biblical or not. It’s a belief system without a sound (objective) basis that majors on subjective experience, insights, intuition, dreamy confusion of thought (e.g., altered states of consciousness), speculation, and mysterious agencies. So the arbiter of what is right and true is how one feels: “If it feels right, then it must be right, and therefore ultimately true.”

In order for mysticism to become the foundational belief system of the one-world religion, it must include all the world religions. With rare exceptions, the religions of the Far East are fundamentally mystical, so little change is necessary for them. But what of the law-oriented religions of Roman Catholicism and Islam? Their combined numbers exceed two billion followers, so they must be included in the religion of the Antichrist. Yet they are both legalistic—Catholicism with its canons and decrees, inquisitions, and obligations, and Islam with its Sharia laws. Obviously this must change in order for them to fit in with the necessary ecumenism of the one-world religion.

Such a change will likely be facilitated by the roots of mysticism that have been a part of both religions for centuries. In Roman Catholicism, for example, the influence of the Desert Fathers began in the third century, just before Constantine, and continued past the time of Augustine in the fourth and fifth centuries. These were hermits and mystics, living in seclusion, in caves, some of them attempting to imitate Jesus in His personal desert confrontation with the devil. Their fleshly attempts at overcoming Satan and his demons often led to madness. They lived in caves, isolated from the rest of civilization, which also led to altered states of consciousness. As we know today, that condition opens a person to communication with the spirit world, i.e., demons. An altered mental state often creates the illusion of oneness, or union, with God—the ultimate goal of mysticism.

This system of isolation was in place at the beginning of the development of the Roman Catholic Church. It was furthered through monasticism, in which monks and nuns withdrew from society by entering monasteries. The idea was to fully commit themselves to God by separating from the secular world. Some monastic orders took vows of silence. That left them vulnerable to the spirit realm. (Silence, by the way, is a huge feature of and heavily promoted by the contemplative movement today.)

In the sixteenth century, a Spaniard named Ignatius Loyola, who was the founder of the Jesuits, fostered mysticism through his Spiritual Exercises. They are enormously popular among Catholics and contemplative evangelicals today. One Jesuit source tells us: “Ignatius was convinced that God can speak to us as surely through our imagination as through our thoughts and memories. In the Ignatian tradition, praying with the imagination is called contemplation” (Kevin O’Brien, The Ignatian Adventure: Experiencing the Spiritual Exercises of St. Ignatius, p.141). “Praying with the imagination,” by the way, is another term for creative visualization, a powerful occult technique that ushers the visualizer into the spirit realm.

Contemplative techniques have divorced the practitioner from the objective Word of God, leading one into the subjective arena of the imagination and feelings. This is what people like Richard Foster (Celebration of Discipline) and Sarah Young (Jesus Calling) are promoting. The practical consequences of disregarding critical judgment are often disastrous. Yet that is and will be the outcome of a religious system that people will flock to in the Last Days.

Following the mystical practices of Ignatius Loyola in our day were Catholics Thomas Merton and Henri Nouwen. Both are deceased. Merton was a Trappist monk and priest; Nouwen was also a priest, and both were well-known mystics. They were paragons of the modern contemplative movement and greatly influenced leading evangelicals such as Richard Foster, Dallas Willard, Eugene Peterson, Beth Moore, Kay Warren, and others. Merton studied the Desert Fathers and the Christian mystics and recognized their connection with the meditative practices of Eastern mysticism in Zen Buddhism, Taoism, and Sufism, which he taught and practiced. Asked if he felt that “turning away from traditional Christianity toward the East” would cause “an eventual turning back to a different form of Christianity, one that might even be more genuine,” Merton replied, “Yes, I think so” (Merton, Thomas Merton: Preview of the Asian Journey, 53-54).

Henri Nouwen has become the favored mystic among evangelicals. One of his most popular books is Behold the Beauty of the Lord: Praying with Icons. It’s an instruction manual on how to use imagery as the window of heaven in order to enter into the deeper things of the soul. Nouwen espouses mysticism because he sees it “as my call to help every person claim his or her own way to God.” That doesn’t seem to faze Rick Warren, who quotes him favorably in his best-selling Purpose Driven Life, or Kay Warren, who recommends Nouwen’s books, or Philip Yancy, who sings his praises in Christianity Today, or Chuck Swindoll, who is enamored with his contemplative teachings, or Tony Campolo, who calls the deceased Catholic priest “one of the great Christians of our time.”

Of late there is Pope Francis. Surging ahead at an ecumenical and mystical speed that thrills the world’s religions and has left traditional Catholicism in its wake, the pope and his ecumenism has many professing Christians flocking to Rome at his personal invitation: Kenneth Copeland, James Robison, Rick Warren, Geoff Tunnicliffe, John Arnott, and Joel Osteen, to name a few. After meeting with the pope, Osteen said, “I like the fact that this pope is trying to make the church larger, not smaller. He’s not pushing people out but making the church more inclusive. That resonated with me.” Luis Palau has been a long-time friend of the pope, and Timothy George wrote an article for Christianity Today titled “Our Francis, Too: Why we can enthusiastically join arms with the Catholic leader.”

The most influential evangelical pastor today, Rick Warren, refers to him as “our new pope.” Pope Francis is certainly the man for the renewal of mystical Roman Catholicism. He’s a Jesuit, fully rehearsed in the Spiritual Exercises. In his address before the US Congress recently, he praised mystic monk and priest Thomas Merton.

Many were appalled that one of the first overtures of the new head of the Roman Catholic Church in regard to winning and influencing evangelicals was to send a personal greeting to a conference led by Kenneth Copeland. Was the pope clueless about Copeland’s false doctrines, his charismatic abuses, his prosperity distortions of Scripture, not to mention his con-man-like greed? I think not. Why? Because it doesn’t really matter. Doctrines, whether true or false, take a back seat — or no seat at all — in mysticism. Remember, as noted, doctrines divide. Therefore they need to be pushed aside in order to make room for what helps people to get along, what encourages relationship building, what feels right. That was the gist of the Christianity Today article, “What Evangelicals Like about Francis.” Never mind the theology of the pope. It’s how he makes everyone feel. More and more, it seems, this is what’s important to people.

Fewer and fewer evangelicals today seem to care that all the feel good stuff that Francis reflects personally won’t save him or anyone else. Neither will the gospel of his Church save anyone – whether it’s the new or the old Catholicism. The following quotes in the official Catholic catechism have been a mystery for quite a while. Many within and without the Church have been at a loss as to how to interpret them: “For the Son of God became man so that we might become God….The only-begotten Son of God, wanting to make us sharers in his divinity, assumed our nature, so that he, made man, might make men gods” (CCC paragraph 460). What is now becoming apparent is the way those statements fit perfectly with the foundational objective of mysticism: union with God.

The seeds of mysticism have certainly found fertile soil within legalistic Roman Catholicism, but what of the even more oppressive Sharia law that is foundational to Islam? Are Muslims therefore impervious to mystical beliefs?

(To Be Continued)

TBC

https://www.raptureforums.com/bible-prophecy/mysticism-coming-world-religion-part-1/
I'm so glad Dave Hunt's faithful friend and partner in Ministry,T . A. McMahon is alive and preaching hard especially in the areas of discernment which has really come under attack by the ecumenical enthusiasts. He names names which is essential.

That mysticism landed squarely in the fundamentalist evangelical circles in the late 90s to early 2000s using these people and more.
Nouwen espouses mysticism because he sees it “as my call to help every person claim his or her own way to God.” That doesn’t seem to faze Rick Warren, who quotes him favorably in his best-selling Purpose Driven Life, or Kay Warren, who recommends Nouwen’s books, or Philip Yancy, who sings his praises in Christianity Today, or Chuck Swindoll, who is enamored with his contemplative teachings, or Tony Campolo, who calls the deceased Catholic priest “one of the great Christians of our time.”
Contemplative techniques have divorced the practitioner from the objective Word of God, leading one into the subjective arena of the imagination and feelings. This is what people like Richard Foster (Celebration of Discipline) and Sarah Young (Jesus Calling) are promoting. The practical consequences of disregarding critical judgment are often disastrous. Yet that is and will be the outcome of a religious system that people will flock to in the Last Days.
I distinctly recall the Baptist youth leader when our family was attending that church just as it was starting to drift into this stuff. He was set on Richard Foster and we had just come out of a bad church with that sort of teaching. He was deaf to my warnings. Fast forward a decade and a half and we had to leave that church too.

the pope and his ecumenism has many professing Christians flocking to Rome at his personal invitation: Kenneth Copeland, James Robison, Rick Warren, Geoff Tunnicliffe, John Arnott, and Joel Osteen, to name a few. After meeting with the pope, Osteen said, “I like the fact that this pope is trying to make the church larger, not smaller. He’s not pushing people out but making the church more inclusive. That resonated with me.”
I'm sure it did resonate with the guy who wrote about living your best life now. and the greed of the Catholic "church" certainly would strike a sympathetic chord in the likes of Copeland.

These are all names that have come up over the years as ones to mark and avoid.

But the whole point of the message is that mysticism will win out for unregenerate humanity because it has no rules, only vague feelings.

I think he is right. And the mystical elements within Christianity and Islam will have no trouble with each other or anyone else for that matter.
 

twerpv

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It’s really too bad when this crap comes into a ‘good’ church.
I serve on a couple different committees (lead a major one) but always compliment our pastors on staying true to Gods Word (which they do) but also say the day they stop preaching directly from His word is the day I walk away.
 

ItIsFinished!

Blood bought child of the King of kings.
It’s really too bad when this crap comes into a ‘good’ church.
I serve on a couple different committees (lead a major one) but always compliment our pastors on staying true to Gods Word (which they do) but also say the day they stop preaching directly from His word is the day I walk away.
Absolutely.
No pastor nor preacher should ever compromise The Word of God.
NEVER.
Stay true to The Word.
Waaaaay to many "pastors" behind the pulpit that simply do not belong there.
More about them , than about Him.
Compromising The Word of God brings in all kinds of heresy and nonsensical teachings that leads many down the wrong path.
Reminds me of King Ahaz and his immense idolatry.
 

Umbrella Girl

Now we see through a glass, darkly; (1 Cor 13:12)
Most of the religions of the Far East teach that God is everything or in everything, making everything and everyone God or part of God
I’ve often wondered why that particular part of the world seemed to be the launch pad for going off the deep end, spiritually, spawning the dharmic religions: Hinduism, Buddhism, Confucianism, Taoism, Jainism, Sikhism, and Shintoism.

Yes, the Catholic Church has some major problems. But at least it contains the basic framework of Christianity. Those dharmic religions of the Far East are without any truth of the Word of God and Jesus Christ, whatsoever.
 
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athenasius

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I’ve often wondered why that particular part of the world seemed to be the launch pad for going off the deep end, spiritually, spawning the dharmic religions: Hinduism, Buddhism, Confucianism, Taoism, Jainism, Sikhism, and Shintoism.

Yes, the Catholic Church has some major problems. But at least it contains the basic framework of Christianity. Those dharmic religions of the Far East are without any truth of the Word of God and Jesus Christ, whatsoever.
Think of a pin on the map stuck in Babel and Babylon in Iraq.

Imagine the waves of humanity spreading out from that ground zero as God scatters the nations.

Now put little pins at the ground zero of the beginnings of each of these religions (btw Sikhism is more related to Islam as an off shoot sort of like Bahai and Sufism are).

Islam claims it's origins within the seed of Abraham, but it takes much more from the demonic worship of the stone of Qabaa and other features of Mohammed's desert tribal religion that worshipped the moon god (a form of Baal) along with a meteor rock (Qabaa) (similar to the Ephesians who worshipped a meteor rock in the name of Artemis or Diana). A lot of ancient pagan religions worshipped rocks that fell from heaven as they saw it. Of course that prefigures Satan falling to earth in the Tribulation.

Mohammed borrowed from the Bible both the Jewish OT and the Christian NT and he died in 632 AD so 600 years after Christ. He was illiterate, relying on hearsay and scribes. He said he got the qu'ran by listening to "the angel Gabriel" and he told his friends who could write, so they wrote it for him. The fact that the Quran has multiple errors in it's references to the Bible and that the god of the Quran hates the Jews and wants to exterminate them tells us all where that piece of work came from. Sikhism, Bahai and Sufism came much later and were offshoots of Islam.

That wasn't Gabriel talking to Mo in that cave. Gabriel would have remembered when Mary existed because he told her she would bear the Messiah. This thing that dictated to an illiterate bandit in a cave in Arabia wasn't Gabriel. This thing placed Mary back in Egypt!!!! Before the Exodus!!!.

You'll see the spread of the original mystery religion spawned by Nimrod and his main squeeze Semiramis. She has an interesting name-- she is known to ancient Babylon as-- The Queen of Heaven!!!! The very name that the Roman Catholic church decided to give Mary, the mother of the Lord as they fused the ancient mother child cult with the early Catholic church when it flip flopped from being a persecuted church to the state church.

It spread outwards with the people as God scattered them. Each group held fragments of that original false religion.

Egypt called Semiramis Isis, and Nimrod was Osiris while their son conceived "miraculously" after Osiris's death was Horus. The cultures around the Mediterranean had differing names. Semiramis became known as Ashteroth, Ishtar and Astarte. Artemis too. Nimrod was associated with Baal, Moloch among other names. Tammuz is alternately known as the son of Ishtar and her husband.

This is the origin of the "mother child" cult found all around the world. Satan knew enough that the seed of the woman, meant a virgin birth at some point because he had succeeded in corrupting the human race. So he made sure to plant that idea in his false religions so that when the real Christ came along, there would be millennia of counterfeits to obscure the real Messiah.

Then look at a different spread as outlined in the Bible.

Noah and at least 2 sons (Shem and Japheth) hold to the true faith in God from before the Flood to after. But after a few generations, it's Shem's line, and then even that crumbles a bit till

Abraham and God's covenant with him. Following his family line, down thru Isaac, then Jacob and Jacobs 12 sons.

Moses and the Law. Joshua and the re entry to the Promised Land. The Judges, then the Kings-- David makes Jerusalem the capitol, then the expulsion to of all places Babylon where Babel was located.

Two cities-- Jerusalem and Babylon. All the way thru history.

Every pagan religion including Islam has it's ancient roots in Babylon.

The only 2 groups that held to God's Word are Judaism before the cross and the Church after the cross.

It's interesting how Genesis brings us to an understanding of Jerusalem and Babylon. And then Revelation mentions both cities. One-- Jerusalem, the city of God, the other Babylon burns forever. And don't forget the mention of Artemis in the name of Wormwood early on in the Tribulation. Rev 8:11

So what begins in Genesis ends in Revelation. All the loose ends tied up.
 

Belle of Grace

Longing for Home
It's interesting how Genesis brings us to an understanding of Jerusalem and Babylon. And then Revelation mentions both cities. One-- Jerusalem, the city of God, the other Babylon burns forever. And don't forget the mention of Artemis in the name of Wormwood early on in the Tribulation. Rev 8:11

So what begins in Genesis ends in Revelation. All the loose ends tied up.
Thank you @athenasius for that thorough overview of the false religions and their history of being connected at the root in Babel. Connecting all the dots is something that you do quite well. Thank you for making it easier to understand :rolleyes
 

athenasius

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I'll add one more interesting bit.

So over in Ezek 8:14 we see an abomination known as "weeping for Tammuz". Among many abominations of idolatry that God showed Ezekiel, right there in the Temple of God.

14 Then he brought me to the entrance of the north gate of the house of the Lord, and I saw women sitting there, mourning the god Tammuz. 15 He said to me, “Do you see this, son of man? You will see things that are even more detestable than this.”

Tammuz is related to Baal. He is the son of Ishtar (Ashteroth) and her husband at the same time. He is supposed to die every year in the Spring and rise from the dead to live again by the help of his mother/bride Ishtar/Ashteroth.

In other words not only do you have this mother child cult going on, designed to take away from the virgin born Messiah when He appears, but you ALSO have a demonic counterfeit of death and resurrection.

In some of the myths, Tammuz is killed by a wild pig, and Ishtar goes hunting to find him in the afterworld because apparently he is too weak to make it back without help.

Women mourned for 40 days -- while he was "dead" in order to bring him back. Their weeping for Tammuz is in sympathy with the grief of Ishtar/Ashteroth.

I don't know for sure if it's related to the "desire of women" that Daniel 11 mentions here in vs 36-38
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god; for he shall magnify himself above all.
38 But in his place shall he honor the god of forces; and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honor with gold and silver, and with precious stones and pleasant things.

BUT it is interesting that weeping for Tammuz-- the son in the mother child cult-- seems to be a pagan female ritual and the AC doesn't regard that but he does regard the god of forces also rendered Fortresses.

The god(dess) of fortresses is known as Cybele the mother goddess aka Rhea, AKA ARTEMIS one of the names of the mother child cult mother. Her crown is a crown of fortresses and she is known as a hermaphrodite or a transexual because she is both sexes. Something that shows up in some aspects of Artemis of Ephesus.

To my mind that passage in Daniel may refer directly to the Mother Child cult.

And for those who will argue that every Jewish woman down thru the ages, desired to be the mother of the Messiah, when I've spoken to modern Jewish women, they are mystified by this common Christian misconception. For Daniel to refer to a desire of women that is present in the time of the end, the time of Antichrist, we need to look further afield and I suspect it's more related to the mother child cult than any current desire by Jewish women of the Tribulation to bear the Messiah.
 

Shannon70

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I'll add one more interesting bit.

So over in Ezek 8:14 we see an abomination known as "weeping for Tammuz". Among many abominations of idolatry that God showed Ezekiel, right there in the Temple of God.

14 Then he brought me to the entrance of the north gate of the house of the Lord, and I saw women sitting there, mourning the god Tammuz. 15 He said to me, “Do you see this, son of man? You will see things that are even more detestable than this.”

Tammuz is related to Baal. He is the son of Ishtar (Ashteroth) and her husband at the same time. He is supposed to die every year in the Spring and rise from the dead to live again by the help of his mother/bride Ishtar/Ashteroth.

In other words not only do you have this mother child cult going on, designed to take away from the virgin born Messiah when He appears, but you ALSO have a demonic counterfeit of death and resurrection.

In some of the myths, Tammuz is killed by a wild pig, and Ishtar goes hunting to find him in the afterworld because apparently he is too weak to make it back without help.

Women mourned for 40 days -- while he was "dead" in order to bring him back. Their weeping for Tammuz is in sympathy with the grief of Ishtar/Ashteroth.

I don't know for sure if it's related to the "desire of women" that Daniel 11 mentions here in vs 36-38
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god; for he shall magnify himself above all.
38 But in his place shall he honor the god of forces; and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honor with gold and silver, and with precious stones and pleasant things.

BUT it is interesting that weeping for Tammuz-- the son in the mother child cult-- seems to be a pagan female ritual and the AC doesn't regard that but he does regard the god of forces also rendered Fortresses.

The god(dess) of fortresses is known as Cybele the mother goddess aka Rhea, AKA ARTEMIS one of the names of the mother child cult mother. Her crown is a crown of fortresses and she is known as a hermaphrodite or a transexual because she is both sexes. Something that shows up in some aspects of Artemis of Ephesus.

To my mind that passage in Daniel may refer directly to the Mother Child cult.

And for those who will argue that every Jewish woman down thru the ages, desired to be the mother of the Messiah, when I've spoken to modern Jewish women, they are mystified by this common Christian misconception. For Daniel to refer to a desire of women that is present in the time of the end, the time of Antichrist, we need to look further afield and I suspect it's more related to the mother child cult than any current desire by Jewish women of the Tribulation to bear the Messiah.
Maybe the ac is gay or a transgender is the reason he do not desire women. These transgender cult do act as if they are god.... like dylan mulvaney.
 

JoyJoyJoy

I Shall Not Be Moved
I’ve often wondered why that particular part of the world seemed to be the launch pad for going off the deep end, spiritually, spawning the dharmic religions: Hinduism, Buddhism, Confucianism, Taoism, Jainism, Sikhism, and Shintoism.
I agree 100% with @athenasius on her post about mother/child religion. I do find that interesting.

I have heard speculation that PERHAPS there is strong demonic presence in that part of the world...giving rise to all of these false religions. Wasn't it Gabriel that had to do battle with the Prince of Persia in Daniel? Demonic strongholds, I guess you could call it.
I dont doubt this....even in America, we seem to have areas that have more evil activity than others...I am sure you know the states I am talking about.
Even in smaller towns, you can wander into neighborhoods or even stores that make the hair on your neck stand up..and you know to leave.
Just throwing that out there for ya.
 

pixelpusher

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I don't know for sure if it's related to the "desire of women" that Daniel 11 mentions here in vs 36-38
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god; for he shall magnify himself above all.
38 But in his place shall he honor the god of forces; and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honor with gold and silver, and with precious stones and pleasant things.
And for those who will argue that every Jewish woman down thru the ages, desired to be the mother of the Messiah, when I've spoken to modern Jewish women, they are mystified by this common Christian misconception. For Daniel to refer to a desire of women that is present in the time of the end, the time of Antichrist, we need to look further afield and I suspect it's more related to the mother child cult than any current desire by Jewish women of the Tribulation to bear the Messiah.

Interesting, @athenasius. However at the time of Daniel's writing, the Messiah was the One being looked forward to.

Gabriel went to Mary and told her she was highly favored, the Lord was with her, she had found favor with God and would bear Jesus.

I would not expect modern Jewish women to necessarily share that desire, nor that it means that desire would be present in the end time, but that the One Who was desired of women would not be regarded by AC.

One thing is for sure, "the desire of women" there is not about sexual orientation in this context speaking of regard for any God or god.
 

athenasius

Well-Known Member
Hmmm I wonder what this so called lost bible chapter is all about they recently found?
I haven't heard anything but I've been pretty ill the past 2 weeks.
Interesting, @athenasius.

One thing is for sure, "the desire of women" there is not about sexual orientation in this context speaking of regard for any God or god.
I think you are right. I was listening to someone on that subject and he presented some very good arguments against the homosexual explanation and he sidestepped the explanation of the desire to bear the Messiah.

His bottom line was that the AC rejected the god of his fathers, and went straight over to the god of forces which he reminded everyone is Satan as the AC and Satan have a special relationship.
 

cshere

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I haven't heard anything but I've been pretty ill the past 2 weeks.

I think you are right. I was listening to someone on that subject and he presented some very good arguments against the homosexual explanation and he sidestepped the explanation of the desire to bear the Messiah.

His bottom line was that the AC rejected the god of his fathers, and went straight over to the god of forces which he reminded everyone is Satan as the AC and Satan have a special relationship.
I pray you are feeling better....not to hijack this thread, but, thank you for your info on this thread, also.
 

GotGrace

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I'm so glad Dave Hunt's faithful friend and partner in Ministry,T . A. McMahon is alive and preaching hard especially in the areas of discernment which has really come under attack by the ecumenical enthusiasts. He names names which is essential.

That mysticism landed squarely in the fundamentalist evangelical circles in the late 90s to early 2000s using these people and more.


I distinctly recall the Baptist youth leader when our family was attending that church just as it was starting to drift into this stuff. He was set on Richard Foster and we had just come out of a bad church with that sort of teaching. He was deaf to my warnings. Fast forward a decade and a half and we had to leave that church too.


I'm sure it did resonate with the guy who wrote about living your best life now. and the greed of the Catholic "church" certainly would strike a sympathetic chord in the likes of Copeland.

These are all names that have come up over the years as ones to mark and avoid.

But the whole point of the message is that mysticism will win out for unregenerate humanity because it has no rules, only vague feelings.

I think he is right. And the mystical elements within Christianity and Islam will have no trouble with each other or anyone else for that matter.
I agree with you. We always have to have our antennas out and ready for whatever is false teaching in the church.

When you see the constant advertising of fortune telling by phone you know those folks could not stay in business and use such expensive advertising resources unless people were shelling out their money to them. IMHO Many will fall in love with mysticism.

Now some of you might get mad at me for saying this, but I believe the bill of goods that Yoga sells can lead to mysticism because it is tied to an eastern religion. Many have told me it is just stretching, and the serpent said to Eve surely you will not die. We have to be careful as things can be presented in a very subtle way.

It just amazes me that people will believe whatever a fortune teller says instead of believing a Holy God.

I hope I have made sense this early morning.
 

athenasius

Well-Known Member
I agree with you. We always have to have our antennas out and ready for whatever is false teaching in the church.

When you see the constant advertising of fortune telling by phone you know those folks could not stay in business and use such expensive advertising resources unless people were shelling out their money to them. IMHO Many will fall in love with mysticism.

Now some of you might get mad at me for saying this, but I believe the bill of goods that Yoga sells can lead to mysticism because it is tied to an eastern religion. Many have told me it is just stretching, and the serpent said to Eve surely you will not die. We have to be careful as things can be presented in a very subtle way.

It just amazes me that people will believe whatever a fortune teller says instead of believing a Holy God.

I hope I have made sense this early morning.
You make perfect sense to this woman. If stretching is all one is after, Pilates is great or the physiotherapists. Mine has given me a wonderful series of exercises just matched to where I'm at physically, designed to help strengthen me without injury. Many of the yoga poses were created to put people in touch with the particular demonic members of the gang of Hindu gods. The late Caryl Matrisciana had a number of lectures and I think books where she explained how she came to Christ out of eastern mysticism and yoga. She was always very clear on why it's dangerous.
 
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