Mark Driscoll 'Obsessed With Sex,' Says Critic; Followers Ecstatic to See Pastor Go 'Mainstream'

billiefan2000

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Mark Driscoll 'Obsessed With Sex,' Says Critic; Followers Ecstatic to See Pastor Go 'Mainstream'
0By Luiza Oleszczuk , Christian Post Reporter
March 8, 2012|3:18 pm


The popular and controversial book about sex and relationships penned by Seattle megachurch pastor Mark Driscoll has one critic claiming there is a new craze for "sex talk" in the church,


while the pastor's followers seem excited that Mars Hill manages to promote a biblical approach to sex among secular audiences.

Both the charismatic pastor known for a very quirky preaching style and his book, Real Marriage: The Truth About Sex, Friendship, and Life Together, have been receiving increasing publicity, taking the debate about Christianity and sex outside of the church. Over 200 people commented on Driscoll's Facebook page after he and his wife, Grace, appeared on "The View" Wednesday to discuss their book. The couple also appeared on "Fox and Friends" Thursday morning, and Driscoll's interview with Piers Morgan airs tonight on CNN.

Real Marriage, a New York Times Best Seller, takes a look at topics that Christians are often afraid to ask their pastors, and that pastors are often afraid to address, as the book is advertised. The Driscolls expose some of their own "sins" in the book, and also address the roles of both men and women in marriage relationships and talk bluntly about topics relating to sexuality (such as sexual abuse, pornography and sexual activities that are permissible in a marriage).

Pastor Driscoll has been attracting critics for a while, even before Real Sex was published in January, for uttering controversial comments about sexuality, such as remarking that masturbation can be a form of homosexuality. Many pastors have criticized his teachings and book.

Conservative journalist and author David Kupelian, who is also managing editor of WorldNetDaily, published a column Tuesday in which he accuses Driscoll of inventing a "version of Christianity for people obsessed with sex."

"There's a new form of Christianity sweeping the U.S. Its main focus: sex," Kupelian writes, adding that he has nothing "personal against this popular, hip, tough-talking young pastor in blue jeans" and that he totally understands the appeal of his "blunt, masculine, passionate style – a refreshing respite from all the stuffy, pretentious and cowardly pastors out there." However, the journalist writes, Driscoll's "preoccupation" with talking sex goes too far.

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Kupelian also did not spare Ed Young of Fellowship Church in Dallas, who also wrote a book considered by some to be a bit too open as far in describing the pastor's sexual marriage life.

"By the way, as runner-up for top mega-church pastor in 'The Church of Sex,' I'd nominate Ed Young, senior pastor of Dallas-based Fellowship Church, who recently staged 'a 24-hour bed-in with his wife atop his church,' a stunt designed to publicize his just-released New York Times best-seller, Sexperiment: 7 Days to Lasting Intimacy With Your Spouse," Kupelian writes.

Despite the criticism, Real Marriage has been causing more and more mainstream media to feature Driscoll and his wife, which supporters say is a good thing. Wednesday's interview on "The View" kept Driscoll's fans on the edge of their seats,

as the pastor discussed topics like sex outside of wedlock, his own marital problems, and whether or not oral sex and masturbation are "sinful," on the secular show hosted by Barbara Walters, Whoopie Goldberg, Joy Behar, Sherri Shephard, and Raven-Simone filling in for Elisabeth Hasselbeck.

Although their statements were not well-recieved by some of the hosts, such as Behar, who criticized Driscoll for being against homosexuality, the Seattle couple were applauded for discussing a topic even considered taboo in the secular world while representing Christ.



Mark Driscoll 'Obsessed With Sex,' Says Critic; Followers Ecstatic to See Pastor Go 'Mainstream', Christian News
 

arapahoepark

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And yet Driscoll was supposed to be rebelling against the seeker friendly movement....and he's promoting a new form of it.

My 2 cents is that I heard his book doesn't say how the Gospel-driven marriage is to be applied. He says everything is permissible in the bedroom and such...but that's not what most pastors and counselors get out of the Bible...
 

billiefan2000

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And yet Driscoll was supposed to be rebelling against the seeker friendly movement....and he's promoting a new form of it.

My 2 cents is that I heard his book doesn't say how the Gospel-driven marriage is to be applied. He says everything is permissible in the bedroom and such...but that's not what most pastors and counselors get out of the Bible...

he was only saying he was rebelling against the seeker friendly movement so he could more people to accept him and his agenda.

Driscoll is just as much a seeker driven pastor as Young and Hybels and Osteen and Furtick and Noble are
 

arapahoepark

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I'm a little confused. Now we aren't supposed to talk about sex?

Why is this such a problem?
Well firstly, there's more to Gospel than sex...and it seems that's it's being replaced. Nothing is wrong with sex, unless outside the boundaries of marriage. There are also certain sexual acts that in the bedroom should not be permissible even if both husband and wife agree to something. Driscoll has the opposite approach and seems like he doesn't bring Jesus and other such things into the mix...

I do think it's good that it's being talked about in a way, like I said before sometimes intervention in the bedroom is a must, but this sex talk is getting seeker friendly and appealing to people's lust. The Bible and church aren't supposed to sinfully arouse a person like Driscoll and others are trying to do to bring them to church, even though sex is relevant and has always been relevant and will always be.
 

myinnuendo999

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ugh, potty mouth Driscoll again....


Jude speaks of people like Driscoll. It’s not ambiguous? I mean good grief what would Jude say to us if he were alive now?

Jude 4 They are godless men, who change the grace of our God into a license for immorality,,,
He's foaming up his shame, bound by sensuality and carouses in broad daylight.
 

myinnuendo999

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John MacArthur-
I would be the last to suggest that preachers should totally avoid the topic of sex. Scripture has quite a lot to say about the subject, starting with God’s first words to Adam and Eve (“Be fruitful and multiply”—Genesis 1:22). God’s law has numerous commands that govern sexual behavior, and the New Testament repeatedly reaffirms the Old Testament standard of sexual purity. Finally, in the closing chapters of Scripture we are told that sexually immoral people will be cast into the lake of fire (Revelation 21:8). So there’s simply no way to preach the whole counsel of God without mentioning sex.
But the language Scripture employs when dealing with the physical relationship between husband and wife is always careful—often plain, sometimes poetic, usually delicate, frequently muted by euphemisms, and never fully explicit. There is no hint of sophomoric lewdness in the Bible, even when the prophet’s clear purpose is to shock (such as when Ezekiel 23:20 likens Israel’s apostasy to an act of gross fornication motivated by the lust of bestiality). When an act of adultery is part of the narrative (such as David’s sin with Bathsheba), it is never described in way that would gratify a lascivious imagination or arouse lustful thoughts.

The message of Scripture regarding sex is simple and consistent throughout: total physical intimacy within marriage is pure and ought to be enjoyed (Hebrews 13:4); but remove the marriage covenant from the equation and all sexual activity (including that which occurs only in the imagination) is nothing but fornication, a serious sin that is especially defiling and shameful—so much so that merely talking about it inappropriately is a disgrace (Ephesians 5:12).

Above all, Scripture never stoops to the lurid level of contemporary sex education. The Bible has no counterpart to the Hindu Kama Sutra (an ancient Sanskrit sex manual supposedly transmitted by Hindu deities.) Nothing in Scripture gives any vivid how-to instructions regarding the physical relationship within marriage.

That includes the Song of Solomon.
bold my emphasis~


If there’s no evidence of the sanctifying indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit manifest in the life of a believer by the fruit of the Spirit, then one must examine the reality of one’s faith.
There’s simply no such thing as a disobedient Christian as a pattern of life. True Christians don’t walk in continual, unbroken, unrepentant patterns of sin and rebellion against God’s Word. Certainly true Spirit-filled, born again believers can and do sin both miserably and frequently, but in contradistinction to the unregenerate self-righteous false believer who attempts to blame shift and justify his sin the true believer is broken and grieved by his sin and flees to the cross with a contrite and repentant heart.

With this in mind what are we to make of Mark Driscoll’s well established, continual, unbroken, unrepentant pattern of ungodly, filthy, fleshy, worldly, smutty, sensual, devilish, Christ-dishonoring speech from the pulpit? In the light of scripture is this the mark of an approved under-shepherd of the Risen Lord of Glory? Is this type of reprehensible behavior representative of the Biblical model of a pastor-teacher who is to feed and water Christ’s little flock? Does homoerotic innuendo about the Lord Jesus Christ in heaven strike anyone as modeling godly, edifying, and Christ honoring speech?
Of course not. In fact in the light of scripture such behavior and attitudes are manifestly demonic and blasphemous and as such it ought to be crystal clear that Mark Driscoll is in desperate need of repentance.
CD-from a brother I thought said it well about Driscoll
 

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Yeeeesh....this is like apostasy on steroids. :fear Seriously, it seems that apostasy has really ratcheted up quite a few notches.

Like MacArthur's response to this, really though, what a shame he has to address this.
 

arapahoepark

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Yeeeesh....this is like apostasy on steroids. :fear Seriously, it seems that apostasy has really ratcheted up quite a few notches.

Like MacArthur's response to this, really though, what a shame he has to address this.
And the thing is this isn't the only thing Driscoll has been known for.....
 
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