Life On Earth In The Millennium

Wings Like Eagles

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That will probably have it's very beginnings when the second generation born in The millennial age reaches aduthood..since childhood in those days will last 100 years..chances are, since there are always humans that can't be pleased no matter what is or isn't going on, it will take maybe about 200 years for the generation futherest removed from the horrors of The Tribulation to decide they're unhappy with perfection and of course it will slowly snowball from there...someone on the board is writing a book about life during The Millennium...I can't wait to read it..I do hope the author covers in detail just how the rejection of Christ rule culminates into the rebellion it becomes in the end...after all...look how long it has taken for The NWO to become so close to completion in our age...
Well, it won't exactly be "perfection" in my estimation, as there will still be death and there will still be sin (even though it will likely be swiftly judged and dealt with accordingly). Yes, Satan won't be loosed till the very end of the Millennial Age, so he won't be here to tempt them to sin, but, the mortal sin nature of the subjects of the Kingdom, will still be in operation. I expect that it will put to rest the objection of mankind, "We have Satan here to keep tempting us to do evil." They won't have that excuse in the Millennium. Each individual living in the Millennial Kingdom will still have to make the decision to follow Melek/ King Yeshua/Jesus and not their own selfish impulses.
 

Batman

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I see nothing in scripture or from our history or from my time on earth that makes me believe woman and man would not have sinned even if it wasn't the specific sin as tempted by Satan. The scripture makes it clear about humans vs our creator and we are sinners, He/They are not.
 

katt

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Well, it won't exactly be "perfection" in my estimation, as there will still be death and there will still be sin (even though it will likely be swiftly judged and dealt with accordingly). Yes, Satan won't be loosed till the very end of the Millennial Age, so he won't be here to tempt them to sin, but, the mortal sin nature of the subjects of the Kingdom, will still be in operation. I expect that it will put to rest the objection of mankind, "We have Satan here to keep tempting us to do evil." They won't have that excuse in the Millennium. Each individual living in the Millennial Kingdom will still have to make the decision to follow Melek/ King Yeshua/Jesus and not their own selfish impulses.
Gone will also be the misconception that ones sins can be blamed on ones environment and/or upbringing...
 

katt

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I see nothing in scripture or from our history or from my time on earth that makes me believe woman and man would not have sinned even if it wasn't the specific sin as tempted by Satan. The scripture makes it clear about humans vs our creator and we are sinners, He/They are not.
Man, in Eden had to be tested just as man born in the millennium will have to be tested...had Adam said no to Eve..he would have passed the test and God would have said enough to Satan and there would have been no more testing, Satan deceived Eve because he couldn't deceive Adam, he hoped Adam would fall when Eve presented him the fruit, seeing she had already eaten the fruit, he ate..we have to remember, it was Adam who brought sin into the world by disobeying God, it's why God is the father of Jesus..he was born of a human mother..but without the sin nature..women do not carry the sin gene..men do..

ROMANS 5​

12Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: 13(for until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. 15But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. 16And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification. 17For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
18Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. 19For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. 20Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound: 21that as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal through Jesus Christ our Lord.



According to Romans, there was no sin in humans until Adam took a bite of that fruit...

Now, if he had told the serpent no then started hollering for God..only God knows what would have happened next and what he would have done with Eve...that particular subject is for another thread all together and really irrelevant since it didn't happen..but would make for some really good discussions and fictional reading to those who would like to go there...
 

DWB

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I don’t fully agree with you…
14 But each person is tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own desire.
15 Then desire when it has conceived gives birth to sin, and sin when it is fully grown brings forth death. (James 1:14, 15)

Satan does play a role, but the sin nature is horrendous and part of the reason for the Millennial kingdom is to show humanity how sinful they are.
We as adults can always agree to disagree. Discussing the Kingdom will not prevent anyone from gaining salvation as long as they believe The Gospel. I just don't see any verses referencing sin in the Kingdom. Of course we are all sinners as children of Adam, in this pre-rapture world there is sin everywhere, I sin everyday in thoughts, coveting, ect.. Only believers will be in the Kingdom, The King, Our Lord Jesus Christ will be in our presence, the curse will be lifted, it will be a glorious and loving world. The lion will eat grass like the lamb. A child will play with deadly snakes and not get bitten.

If this hellish world we live in today is continued in the Kingdom I must be missing something. Please post the verses referencing sin in the Kingdom, not in this pre-rapture world, only sin in the Kingdom.
 

Classic

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Would Eve have sinned without Satan tempting her? I don't know. If Satan is locked up, and he is the tempter, who will tempt.

I think our fundamental traits will be part of our resurrected selves. If all of us are perfect we would essentially be clones.

We already know that all the saved will be given different rewards and positions. That means everyone is different. I don't think we will all have the same mental and physical skills and drive and interests.

I am guessing we retain our drive to build, overcome challenges, our curiosity and desire to explore and understand, desire to be loved and to love, need for honesty and fairness.

That also opens the door for negative emotions and drives.
 

Batfan7

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We as adults can always agree to disagree. Discussing the Kingdom will not prevent anyone from gaining salvation as long as they believe The Gospel. I just don't see any verses referencing sin in the Kingdom. Of course we are all sinners as children of Adam, in this pre-rapture world there is sin everywhere, I sin everyday in thoughts, coveting, ect.. Only believers will be in the Kingdom, The King, Our Lord Jesus Christ will be in our presence, the curse will be lifted, it will be a glorious and loving world. The lion will eat grass like the lamb. A child will play with deadly snakes and not get bitten.

If this hellish world we live in today is continued in the Kingdom I must be missing something. Please post the verses referencing sin in the Kingdom, not in this pre-rapture world, only sin in the Kingdom.
Zechariah 14:18-19

In the passage in Zechariah, we see a warning to Egypt that if they don't celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles, they shall get no rain.

These verses do not prove that the people of Egypt actually fail to follow God's commands, but it's awfully likely that that's what it implies (note that it singles out a specific nation, not just a general warning). Also, if there was no chance of sin, then there would be no need to list out the consequences, because they'd never be needed! I mean, you don't tell a child "If you ever fly into space and crash into the sun, I will ground you!" Because your child will never do such a thing anyway. There's a consequence listed in the Bible because there's the chance it'll be needed!

So, from these verses, we can assume that sin is possible.

Also, logically, sin is not dependant on Satan's presence, otherwise humans would never be to blame - it would always ultimately be Satan's fault. And that's not what the Bible teaches. We were born sinful (Adam and Eve might have needed that outside influence because they were not born with a sin nature, but none of the rest of us need any help to be awful). Part of the purpose of the Millennium is to demonstrate that we are without excuse - that even in a perfect environment, without any outside influence, the human heart is still desperately wicked.

But if you disagree, well it's no biggie. I honestly look forward to seeing how God changes things in the Millennium, and I'm sure none of us imagine it perfectly right.
 

Jan51

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We as adults can always agree to disagree. Discussing the Kingdom will not prevent anyone from gaining salvation as long as they believe The Gospel. I just don't see any verses referencing sin in the Kingdom. Of course we are all sinners as children of Adam, in this pre-rapture world there is sin everywhere, I sin everyday in thoughts, coveting, ect.. Only believers will be in the Kingdom, The King, Our Lord Jesus Christ will be in our presence, the curse will be lifted, it will be a glorious and loving world. The lion will eat grass like the lamb. A child will play with deadly snakes and not get bitten.

If this hellish world we live in today is continued in the Kingdom I must be missing something. Please post the verses referencing sin in the Kingdom, not in this pre-rapture world, only sin in the Kingdom.
We know there is sin because there are still mortals and all men have sinned and come short of the glory of God. When Satan is loosed and there is the final rebellion, if there were no sinners, none would rebel. All will give outward obedience to Christ but many hearts will refuse Him, as has always been the case and will be until our mortal bodies receive immortality and our eternal sinless state.
 

Wings Like Eagles

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We as adults can always agree to disagree. Discussing the Kingdom will not prevent anyone from gaining salvation as long as they believe The Gospel. I just don't see any verses referencing sin in the Kingdom. Of course we are all sinners as children of Adam, in this pre-rapture world there is sin everywhere, I sin everyday in thoughts, coveting, ect.. Only believers will be in the Kingdom, The King, Our Lord Jesus Christ will be in our presence, the curse will be lifted, it will be a glorious and loving world. The lion will eat grass like the lamb. A child will play with deadly snakes and not get bitten.

If this hellish world we live in today is continued in the Kingdom I must be missing something. Please post the verses referencing sin in the Kingdom, not in this pre-rapture world, only sin in the Kingdom.
Yes--I think you are right in saying that the physical, general curses will be lifted from the Creation--it sounds as though the earth will be returned to its Edenic state. However, the subjects of the Kingdom will still have the presence of the mortal sinful nature of mankind (there is a clear link between mortality and sin--"the wages of sin is death"). Since it is also pretty clear that the Millennial Kingdom will be filled with mortals, we can know that since death is still present, sin is too. Sin will be greatly reduced and swiftly punished when it is revealed but, it will still be around--that is why the rule of "the rod of iron" is necessary. In fact, Scripture tells us that many will be seduced into sin once again by Satan, albeit at the end of the Millennial Kingdom. (Death is not destroyed till after the Final Judgment, as the last of God's enemies). Imo, Isaiah 65 gives a pretty good description of life in the Millennial Kingdom.
 

PortWen

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We as adults can always agree to disagree. Discussing the Kingdom will not prevent anyone from gaining salvation as long as they believe The Gospel. I just don't see any verses referencing sin in the Kingdom. Of course we are all sinners as children of Adam, in this pre-rapture world there is sin everywhere, I sin everyday in thoughts, coveting, ect.. Only believers will be in the Kingdom, The King, Our Lord Jesus Christ will be in our presence, the curse will be lifted, it will be a glorious and loving world. The lion will eat grass like the lamb. A child will play with deadly snakes and not get bitten.

If this hellish world we live in today is continued in the Kingdom I must be missing something. Please post the verses referencing sin in the Kingdom, not in this pre-rapture world, only sin in the Kingdom.
Having read all the other responses there isn’t a lot I can add….you are right that there isn’t Scripture that directly says there will be sin in the Kingdom, but I believe we have to use some logic and draw from verses that make a veiled reference to it…such as Jesus ruling with a rod of iron in Psalm 2…why would he need to if people did not have an innate tendency to rebel? And then in Psalm 72, which has an underlying Messianic theme, in verse 9, “his enemies lick the dust”…..etc…and of course Zechariah 16:14-19.

So yes I agree sin will be greatly reduced and peace and prosperity will reign, and outwardly probably most people will appear obedient, as overt sin will bring immediate punishment. But sin will be there, as it always is in the flesh.…(and there isn’t anywhere that implies unglorified bodies will be much different to what they are now.)

I appreciate that you’ve made me think about it and do some more reading on the topic…..it’s only in the last 2 years that I realised what I‘d believed my whole life actually had a name…amillennialism….and that it was incorrect. Discovering the Millennial kingdom was a HUGE surprise. And I’m still learning. :)
 

Len

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Sin in the Millennium Kingdom
Jack Kelly:
Q. I was Having a discussion with several of my friends about the millennium. We all agree that the earth will be restored to a Paradise. What we don’t agree on is will there be sin? I believe that Man will still have a sinful nature and sin will be limited due to Satan being absent for the 1000 yrs and because Jesus will be reigning with an iron rod. My friends believe that their will be no sin period. Can you Guide us to the correct understanding about sin in the Milennium?

A. From a couple of passages in Scripture it’s clear that there will be sin on Earth during the Millennium. One is in the Parable of the Sheep and Goats where living survivors of the Tribulation are escorted directly into the Kingdom in their natural sin-natured states. (Matt. 25:34)
Another is from Ezekiel 42:13 where an angel shows Ezekiel the rooms in the Temple where the priests will eat the meat from the holy offerings including the sin offerings. In 46:13 he described a daily burnt offering for the sins of the people.
And in Isaiah 65:20 there’s mention of death in the Millennium. Sin free people are immortal.
Of course in the New Jerusalem where we’ll be housed there will be no sin, since nothing impure can ever enter it. (Rev. 21:27). So in that sense the correct answer depends on whether one is speaking of Earth or the New Jerusalem.
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what also came to MY mind is the age at which people might live or die during the MK. so more on Isa 65:20 below":
" Because of advances in medical technology, it is predicted that people will live 100-120 years of age or even longer. This remains to be seen, but the Bible does predict longevity of life in the future. Isaiah wrote: No more shall an infant from there live but a few days, nor an old man who has not fulfilled his days; for the child shall die one hundred years old, but the sinner being one hundred years old shall be accursed (Isa. 65:20). Notice, if a person dies at 100 years old he or she is considered a child. When will Isaiah 65:20 be fulfilled?" (read more by searching for "Longevity of Life: Isaiah 65:20" by FOI - about a 5 minute read)
 

JSTyler

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If this hellish world we live in today is continued in the Kingdom I must be missing something. Please post the verses referencing sin in the Kingdom, not in this pre-rapture world, only sin in the Kingdom.
Oh yeah, it's going to be waaaay different, the world that is. The way animals are described is enough to certify that. The lion lays down with the lamb, the child able to put their hand into the nest of an asp/snake/cobra.

The one thing that carries over unchanged it seems, is the human heart. Even in a "fixed" world, ruled by Jesus Christ Himself, that old sin-machine is gonna keep on bending away from righteousness.
 

Batfan7

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Having read all the other responses there isn’t a lot I can add….you are right that there isn’t Scripture that directly says there will be sin in the Kingdom, but I believe we have to use some logic and draw from verses that make a veiled reference to it…such as Jesus ruling with a rod of iron in Psalm 2…why would he need to if people did not have an innate tendency to rebel? And then in Psalm 72, which has an underlying Messianic theme, in verse 9, “his enemies lick the dust”…..etc…and of course Zechariah 16:14-19.

So yes I agree sin will be greatly reduced and peace and prosperity will reign, and outwardly probably most people will appear obedient, as overt sin will bring immediate punishment. But sin will be there, as it always is in the flesh.…(and there isn’t anywhere that implies unglorified bodies will be much different to what they are now.)

I appreciate that you’ve made me think about it and do some more reading on the topic…..it’s only in the last 2 years that I realised what I‘d believed my whole life actually had a name…amillennialism….and that it was incorrect. Discovering the Millennial kingdom was a HUGE surprise. And I’m still learning. :)

The doctrine of the Millennium is awesome! I'm glad you discovered it! Even though the discussion has focused on sin still being present/possible, I do think it'll be much, much rarer. And unable to become institutionalized or normalized. The Millennium will be amazing, and I'm really looking forward to it! We know that the Earth itself will change (no more natural disasters and the dirt will be very fertile), animals will be changed (no more carnivores or fear of people), that microscopic life will likely be changed (no more viruses or harmful bacteria, probably), and just these changes alone can fill the imagination on how life will change! But maybe plants change too - maybe plants that currently produce nothing edible will burst forth with new variety of fruits! Maybe extinct animals will be resurrected! Maybe the inhospitable nature of space will be removed!

And none of that even touches on how having Jesus accessible in the flesh would change things or how having the all people filled with knowledge of God could change things or how having resurrected people intermingling with the mortals would work. Lots and lots of room for facinating speculation! I love thinking about it!
 

Wings Like Eagles

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Sin in the Millennium Kingdom
Jack Kelly:
Q. I was Having a discussion with several of my friends about the millennium. We all agree that the earth will be restored to a Paradise. What we don’t agree on is will there be sin? I believe that Man will still have a sinful nature and sin will be limited due to Satan being absent for the 1000 yrs and because Jesus will be reigning with an iron rod. My friends believe that their will be no sin period. Can you Guide us to the correct understanding about sin in the Milennium?

A. From a couple of passages in Scripture it’s clear that there will be sin on Earth during the Millennium. One is in the Parable of the Sheep and Goats where living survivors of the Tribulation are escorted directly into the Kingdom in their natural sin-natured states. (Matt. 25:34)
Another is from Ezekiel 42:13 where an angel shows Ezekiel the rooms in the Temple where the priests will eat the meat from the holy offerings including the sin offerings. In 46:13 he described a daily burnt offering for the sins of the people.
And in Isaiah 65:20 there’s mention of death in the Millennium. Sin free people are immortal.
Of course in the New Jerusalem where we’ll be housed there will be no sin, since nothing impure can ever enter it. (Rev. 21:27). So in that sense the correct answer depends on whether one is speaking of Earth or the New Jerusalem.
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what also came to MY mind is the age at which people might live or die during the MK. so more on Isa 65:20 below":
" Because of advances in medical technology, it is predicted that people will live 100-120 years of age or even longer. This remains to be seen, but the Bible does predict longevity of life in the future. Isaiah wrote: No more shall an infant from there live but a few days, nor an old man who has not fulfilled his days; for the child shall die one hundred years old, but the sinner being one hundred years old shall be accursed (Isa. 65:20). Notice, if a person dies at 100 years old he or she is considered a child. When will Isaiah 65:20 be fulfilled?" (read more by searching for "Longevity of Life: Isaiah 65:20" by FOI - about a 5 minute read)
The only disagreement I would have would not be with Jack Kelly but with those who say that "medical advances" will make for longevity in the 100-120 year range. Humans who think this are "whistling through the graveyard" because, unless God acts to bring great health and long life back to mankind (which He has promised through the Prophet Isaiah) everything that humans try, will come to nothing. Demographers have already observed a reduction in the average life span from an earlier peak.

Mortal mankind has a "best before" date stamped on us all. That has already been verified through examination of the human genome (see the writings of geneticist, John Sanford). Apparently, God did not intend for us to live a long time in a sinful state. And all of the godless, medical manipulations will be an exercise in futility.
 

daygo

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Sin in the Millennium Kingdom
Jack Kelly:
Q. I was Having a discussion with several of my friends about the millennium. We all agree that the earth will be restored to a Paradise. What we don’t agree on is will there be sin? I believe that Man will still have a sinful nature and sin will be limited due to Satan being absent for the 1000 yrs and because Jesus will be reigning with an iron rod. My friends believe that their will be no sin period. Can you Guide us to the correct understanding about sin in the Milennium?

A. From a couple of passages in Scripture it’s clear that there will be sin on Earth during the Millennium. One is in the Parable of the Sheep and Goats where living survivors of the Tribulation are escorted directly into the Kingdom in their natural sin-natured states. (Matt. 25:34)
Another is from Ezekiel 42:13 where an angel shows Ezekiel the rooms in the Temple where the priests will eat the meat from the holy offerings including the sin offerings. In 46:13 he described a daily burnt offering for the sins of the people.
And in Isaiah 65:20 there’s mention of death in the Millennium. Sin free people are immortal.
Of course in the New Jerusalem where we’ll be housed there will be no sin, since nothing impure can ever enter it. (Rev. 21:27). So in that sense the correct answer depends on whether one is speaking of Earth or the New Jerusalem.
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what also came to MY mind is the age at which people might live or die during the MK. so more on Isa 65:20 below":
" Because of advances in medical technology, it is predicted that people will live 100-120 years of age or even longer. This remains to be seen, but the Bible does predict longevity of life in the future. Isaiah wrote: No more shall an infant from there live but a few days, nor an old man who has not fulfilled his days; for the child shall die one hundred years old, but the sinner being one hundred years old shall be accursed (Isa. 65:20). Notice, if a person dies at 100 years old he or she is considered a child. When will Isaiah 65:20 be fulfilled?" (read more by searching for "Longevity of Life: Isaiah 65:20" by FOI - about a 5 minute read)
Good Q and A, In my mind there will be sin and jesus will rule with a rod of iron, perhaps that will be the impetus for when satan is released he will find a lot of willing individuals to be foolhardy and proud enough to have one last battle so to speak.
 
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