Jonathan Turley: Pelosi 'played into' McConnell's hands, 'destroyed' her own case for impeachment

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https://www.foxnews.com/media/jonathan-turley-pelosi-blunder-impeachment

Constitutional law professor Jonathan Turley laid out a sweeping indictment of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., arguing that her impeachment strategy backfired and gave Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., the upper hand.

"The delay now seems largely driven by a desire to preserve the image of Pelosi as a master strategist despite a blunder of the first order," Turley wrote in a column titled, "Pelosi's Blunder: How the House Destroyed its Own Case for Impeachment."

His comments came as Pelosi prepared to transmit articles of impeachment to the Senate, roughly a month after the House approved them. She initially withheld them in an apparent attempt to draw concessions from McConnell. On Wednesday she announced the seven lawmakers who will serve as impeachment managers to prosecute the case against the president at his Senate trial.

"There was no reason why Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell would make concessions to get an impeachment that he loathed," Turley wrote.

Turley similarly suggested that Pelosi pushed impeachment out of "vanity" and would pay a "high price" for doing so.

"The fact is that Pelosi played into the hands of McConnell by first rushing this impeachment forward with an incomplete record and now giving him the excuse to summarily change the rules, or even to dismiss the articles," he said.

"Waiting for the House to submit a list of managers was always a courtesy extended by Senate rules and not a requirement of the Constitution. By inappropriately withholding the articles of impeachment and breaking with tradition, Pelosi simply gave McConnell ample reason to exercise the “nuclear option” and change the rules on both majority voting as well as the rule for the start of trials. That is a high price to pay for vanity.".......

Interesting guy. From what I've seen of him I've come to respect him in that while he may not have voted for Trump, he has served to be a steady voice of Constitutional caution and warning to the Democratic party......of whom do not seem to be listening. He bravely spoke these words of caution during the debacle before Christmas and as a result him and his family have been targeted with vitriol. He and his family have been in my prayers, for protection and salvation. :pray
 

DanLMP

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"Waiting for the House to submit a list of managers was always a courtesy extended by Senate rules and not a requirement of the Constitution. By inappropriately withholding the articles of impeachment and breaking with tradition, Pelosi simply gave McConnell ample reason to exercise the “nuclear option” and change the rules on both majority voting as well as the rule for the start of trials. That is a high price to pay for vanity.".......
That's an interesting perspective.

The Senate can now note how the House broke with tradition when they decide to change Senate rules.

2020 sure did start with a bang!
 

greg64

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I haven't visited Jon's blog recently, but used to do so regularly. He's the rare liberal who actually has rational standards and acts and argues on principle rather than affiliation. He was quite critical of Obama's rights excesses during his presidency, writing of that often.
 

Footsteps

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We are talking theater here. Pomp and circumstance was the rule. We have been treated to a scene meant to contain all the elements of a changing of the guard at Buckingham Palace and the coronstion of a new Pope. A silver platter contained the Articles of Impeachment, surrounded by souvenir pens to be given to the distinguished Masters of the Inquisition after Queen Nancy had annointed each portion of her venerable signature to the Magna Carta of Gibberish. There was no child to scream from the balcony "Her Majesty has no clothes!" Republicans missed their chance to destroy the awe-filled mood by placing a Whoopee Cushion under the seat of the Queen's throne.
 

DanLMP

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Do you think they are playing a long game by 'pushing' McConnell to changing senate rules or is it just reveling in impeachment 'victory'?

Impeachment feels like the new devoid of meaningful check of power kind of word lately.
I don't know about the "long game" because just as easily as Senate Rules change one way, they can change back with a simple majority vote another way.

As for impeachment victory, Nancy has been throwing the word "impeachment" around like it's the hammer of doom.

As far as I am concerned I think President Trump should wear his "impeached" title as a badge of honor. It is an indication of how far beneath the skin of the Dems and the Left he has gotten. Talk about renting space in another persons brain, Trump has erected another Trump Tower in the collective Left/Dem brain.

The other problem with Nancy's impeached proclamation is deciding what the term officially means. To me, it should have the designation if and only if the Senate confirms the articles and the President is removed from office.

If you decide that impeached means that the House has drawn up articles then that's the legal equivalent, to me, of saying that when someone is accused of a crime that they are then also guilty of the crime, without benefit of trial.

I believe that when a person is found not guilty of a crime that then that accusation is no longer part of any criminal record, but don't quote me on that. At least certainly the previously accused is not legally required to mention the issue in any future legal matters such as employment applications or etc.

So I think Nancy is just trying to brainwash US citizens, and perhaps the world, that Trump is guilty no matter what the Senate says.
 

Everlasting Life

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Talk about renting space in another persons brain, Trump has erected another Trump Tower in the collective Left/Dem brain.
:lol


If you decide that impeached means that the House has drawn up articles then that's the legal equivalent, to me, of saying that when someone is accused of a crime that they are then also guilty of the crime, without benefit of trial.
Yeah, one does start to really wonder. That's the most disturbing part of this to me.

So I think Nancy is just trying to brainwash US citizens, and perhaps the world, that Trump is guilty no matter what the Senate says.
I think you are absolutely right. Trying to get the sound bite and news time to portray this. :sad

Well, we'll see what God does.
 

ByGod'sGrace

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A President isn't technically impeached until the House delivers the impeachment articles to the Senate...so this whole time, President Trump wasn't actually technically impeached. My goodness. It really does reveal the level of depravity in our government and the world when someone is guilty until proven innocent, but then he is still guilty because others say he is a bad, bad man. Trump is not a perfect person, and he certainly has his flaws, as do we all, but he supports Israel, so I support him. I feel he is the last blockade God has granted to the world before ultimate chaos. Basically, anything after Trump will be pure globalism to the infinite degree to make up for any nationality or support of Israel that he did.
 

JSTyler

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A President isn't technically impeached until the House delivers the impeachment articles to the Senate...so this whole time, President Trump wasn't actually technically impeached. My goodness. It really does reveal the level of depravity in our government and the world when someone is guilty until proven innocent, but then he is still guilty because others say he is a bad, bad man. Trump is not a perfect person, and he certainly has his flaws, as do we all, but he supports Israel, so I support him. I feel he is the last blockade God has granted to the world before ultimate chaos. Basically, anything after Trump will be pure globalism to the infinite degree to make up for any nationality or support of Israel that he did.
Yeah, it certainly has the same feeling I got when I was last on a roller coaster. The click-clack click-clack has ended, and now all that's left is the loud BONK just before the ride really begins.

***Side note*** I miss the days when I could go for a ride on a wooden roller coaster without paying a price :mope
 
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