Its Not Going To Be Long before we lose our freedom

Angle

Well-Known Member
I talked with my mom. She and I talked about the CA taking all the bibles away. And she said it wont be long. Be for we lose our freedom. I am not wanting the US not be free any more. But it says it in the bible.
 

Salluz

Aspiring Man of God
I don't think it's plausible that the government could hunt down even a fraction of the bibles in the United States. It would necessitate going door to door and searching every nook and cranny of every home, and I'm sure some would be met with violent resistance (not saying that's right, only that it's likely). It just isn't feasible in terms of man-power.

Although it may be possible that there is a ban on selling bibles in the works, like we see possibly forming in California. It would just be too hard for the government to track down all of the bibles in the US... And even then, they can't confiscate memorized verses and hymns. Like Jeff said, it would be a good opportunity to show love and witness If it came down to that
 

greg64

Well-Known Member
We're definitely seeing some bad trends developing, but I don't expect it to get universally bad until we're gone. It will probably continue to get worse until then, however.

One trend that I've noticed (and even do myself) is going more electronic with Bible apps and the like. In my church, I think more people pull out devices than physical Bibles to follow along. When it comes down to it, it won't take much to do away with electronic content. I also imagine there could be book burning parties at some point in the future, although how they'll square that with 'climate change' is anyone's guess.

There were a couple of victories on the legislative front in California this week, so the time for effective resistance is still here.
 

Tall Timbers

Imperfect but forgiven
We've been losing our freedoms for a good while now. The 'homeland security' laws passed after 9/11 that are unconstitutionaly IMO, was a major Federal power grab at the expense of the American citizenry. The EPA has been trampling individual liberties for a very long time. Thankfully under Trump things are slowing down and in some cases reversing a bit... but it is only a matter of time before the trend of losing individual liberties resumes, probably at a much faster pace than ever before.
 

Salluz

Aspiring Man of God
One trend that I've noticed (and even do myself) is going more electronic with Bible apps and the like.
Growing up as part of the tech generation, I haven't physically opened a bible in years. Reading it through apps and online is just so convenient, especially when it comes to remembering a few words of a verse and being able to look up the whole thing with that.

Your post, though, has brought some concerns to the front of my mind that have already been in the back of it for a while, namely that apps require internet access, and that that can be more easily limited than physical books. I should probably pick up some copies of the versions I read in physical form just in case things get bad before we are all taken home, and especially for those who come to belief after we are gone, because I don't think any online Christian stuff will last long (barring accessing sites illegally like is done in some places now that have banned Christianity).
 

Tall Timbers

Imperfect but forgiven
I should probably pick up some copies of the versions I read in physical form just in case things get bad before we are all taken home, and especially for those who come to belief after we are gone, because I don't think any online Christian stuff will last long (barring accessing sites illegally like is done in some places now that have banned Christianity).
You can download some versions for free and store them on your device(s). Other versions you should be able to purchase in e-format.
 

Jeff K

Well-Known Member
I know I just wish I had not said it wont be long.
I don't think you were wrong in stating that it won't be long. We have lost more freedoms in the last 10 years than most will admit. Like TT said, we could be one event away from going into hyper mode with losing freedoms.

The lost will be looking to man - someone to solve the worlds problems.
Believers should be "looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ." Titus 2:13

The question is, will today's Christians be prepared to put on the whole armor of God, that they may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil? For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darknes of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Ephesians 6:11-12
 

Joseph The Carpenter

Well-Known Member
As much as the left would like to take our Bibles and guns they have not been able to change public opinion enough. The media roll out the lies every time there is a mass shooting and often try to blame it on Christians when in fact most often the shooter is a liberal. Porn stars, drunks and lairs fill the hours on CNN and yet President Trump carries on. Today it was "if Mike Pence was President he would put gays in concentration camps".
They can not change the opinion of Christians because we have the HOLY SPIRIT guiding us to the truth.
Once we are gone those left behind will believe the lies and they will gladly vote to take all the guns and Bibles and burn them.
 

Ghoti Ichthus

Pray so they do not serve alone. Ephesians 6:10-20
The question is, will today's Christians be prepared to put on the whole armor of God, that they may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil? For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darknes of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Ephesians 6:11-12
When the persecution starts in earnest, as the wheat is separated from the chaff, those remaining can/will gain faith and strength by observing others going before them and enduring their trial. Some of the least likely people have exhibited the greatest courage and faith under incredible persecution. It has been said the early Christians expected to be put to death for their faith and learned to view dying for their faith in whatever manner as a privilege and as their last opportunity to witness to lost people around them. I am certain being eaten by a lion, being dipped in oil and set afire, crucified, or tied to a post and whipped/burned to death hurt. A lot. But if such a fate meant even one other person came to faith in Jesus Christ and avoided the eternal hurt of hell, I am sure it is worth it.


12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
John 15:12-13, KJV

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:16, KJV

39 And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.
Matthew 26:39, KJV

42 He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done.
Matthew 26:42, KJV

44 And he left them, and went away again, and prayed the third time, saying the same words.
Matthew 26:44, KJV

9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
10 Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
11 Give us this day our daily bread.
12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
Matthew 6:9-13, KJV


Although we may pray to be spared the cup of persecution, it may be God's will that we drink of it, just as it was God's will that Jesus Christ drank His ordained cup. And if this is the case, then we are to call on the Name of the Lord for help.


13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Romans 10:13, KJV

1 God is our refuge and strength, a very present help in trouble.
2 Therefore will not we fear, though the earth be removed, and though the mountains be carried into the midst of the sea;
3 Though the waters thereof roar and be troubled, though the mountains shake with the swelling thereof. Selah.
Psalm 46:1-3, KJV

10 Fear thou not; for I am with thee: be not dismayed; for I am thy God: I will strengthen thee; yea, I will help thee; yea, I will uphold thee with the right hand of my righteousness.
Isaiah 41:10, KJV


:armor :pray :bible :pray :amen :knight
 
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Jeff K

Well-Known Member
When the persecution starts in earnest, as the wheat is separated from the chaff, those remaining can/will gain faith and strength by observing others going before them and enduring their trial. Some of the least likely people have exhibited the greatest courage and faith under incredible persecution. It has been said the early Christians expected to be put to death for their faith and learned to view dying for their faith in whatever manner as a privilege and as their last opportunity to witness to lost people around them. I am certain being eaten by a lion, being dipped in oil and set afire, crucified, or tied to a post and whipped/burned to death hurt. A lot. But if such a fate meant even one other person came to faith in Jesus Christ and avoided the eternal hurt of hell, I am sure it is worth it.


12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
John 15:12-13, KJV

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:16, KJV

39 And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.
Matthew 26:39, KJV

42 He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done.
Matthew 26:42, KJV

44 And he left them, and went away again, and prayed the third time, saying the same words.
Matthew 26:44, KJV

9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
10 Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
11 Give us this day our daily bread.
12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
Matthew 6:9-13, KJV


Although we may pray to be spared the cup of persecution, it may be God's will that we drink of it, just as it was God's will that Jesus Christ drank His ordained cup. And if this is the case, then we are to call on the Name of the Lord for help.


13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Romans 10:13, KJV

1 God is our refuge and strength, a very present help in trouble.
2 Therefore will not we fear, though the earth be removed, and though the mountains be carried into the midst of the sea;
3 Though the waters thereof roar and be troubled, though the mountains shake with the swelling thereof. Selah.
Psalm 46:1-3, KJV

10 Fear thou not; for I am with thee: be not dismayed; for I am thy God: I will strengthen thee; yea, I will help thee; yea, I will uphold thee with the right hand of my righteousness.
Isaiah 41:10, KJV


:armor :pray :bible :pray :amen :knight
Most Christians today, living in America, a free country, don't publicly praise Jesus, witness to those around them, give thanks for their meals in public, speak out against sin... if it doesn't happen when persecution is mild, I think it will be a far stretch that it happens when freedom is lost. I pray I'm wrong.
 
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