Israelis Come to See Red Heifer and Discuss the Temple

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fl2007rn

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Mr Hill said:
I don't know if the Temple has to be built before the rapture, but either way there's a good chance that we are very, very close!
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Does anyone know the answer to this? Does the Temple have to be rebuilt before the Rapture occurs? I always understood that the Temple had to be built by the middle of the rapture when the a/c declares himself to be God while sitting in the temple. Also, is the Temple supposed to be where the Dome of the Rock is currently at?
 
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katt

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The temple does not have to be rebuilt before the rapture, however, I won't be surprised if it is. It could be what sets off the Psalm 83 war, which will snowball the rest of the wars, Damascus, the one in Jeremiah, the Ezekiel 35, 38 and 39.. this is just speculation on my part though.
 
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paul289

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I wouldn't be surprised if the sacrifice of the heifer is what starts one of those wars.

I've heard some scholars say that it's still biblically necessary for the Jews to sacrifice, and that once the Church Age is over, it will begin again. Since the Tribulation is for the purification of Israel, Israel must abide by the Law of Moses, which doesn't really have a listed expiration date for Jews. Gentiles are not held to the Law. That is to say, that they are not sinning by getting the heifer or building the Temple. Once we go up, there will be many Jews who are saved, and the sacrifices will be done in remembrance, though of course there will be some Jews who sacrifice because that's what they're supposed to do to attain salvation. Just what I've heard, and it makes sense to me.
 
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usoutpost31

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paul289 said:
I've heard some scholars say that it's still biblically necessary for the Jews to sacrifice
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Those scholars need to go back to school. The New Testament argues over and over again that Christ was the fulfillment of the Law, the old covenant has passed away and been replaced by the new. Priests are not required to offer sacrifices and enter the holy place. Jesus did that for us, once and for all.

Hebrews 9:13-15

13 The blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkled on those who are ceremonially unclean sanctify them so that they are outwardly clean. 14 How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death, so that we may serve the living God!

15 For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.

The Jews are not supposed to live under the old covenant while Gentiles live under another one. The old covenant has become obsolete (Hebrews 8:13).
 
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Batfan7

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Just saw an interview about the Red Heifers. There were originally 5, and two are on the fence about their qualifications (a few white hairs in the tails), but 3 others are still looking good. The plan is for a Passover 2024 sacrifice on the Mt of Olives. (It is possible it wouldn't happen for political reasons, but this is the current plan). Three of the 5 cows are to be shown as a tourist attraction while the other 2 are kept elsewhere for security.

It wasn't super clear, but I got the impression that if the sacrifice went through, then the ashes would be used for a Day of Atonement ceremony in 2024 (which they'd obviously prefer to do with a temple present).

Interesting developments here, I think.
 
daygo

daygo

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katt said:
The temple does not have to be rebuilt before the rapture, however, I won't be surprised if it is. It could be what sets off the Psalm 83 war, which will snowball the rest of the wars, Damascus, the one in Jeremiah, the Ezekiel 35, 38 and 39.. this is just speculation on my part though.
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Good one, imo when they sacrifice a red heifer that could open everything up, because the clamour for another temple would increase significantly and what you've said above could happen. Can you imagine that scenario and if we seeing all of this before the Rapture wowee, my speculation also.
 
JoyJoyJoy

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https://gracethrufaith.com/ask-a-bible-teacher/more-on-the-coming-temple-2/

rapture can happen any time now, but the Temple will be rebuilt only after Israel has returned to its Old covenant relationship with God. I believe the anti-Christ will help clear the way for the Temple to be rebuilt, but Daniel 9:27 says he will also cause it to become desolate 3 1/2 years later, putting an end to sacrifice and offering. This means the Temple will have been in use for some period of time before he does this.

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I think Gracethrufaith.com is an acceptable resource.
 
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katt

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daygo said:
Good one, imo when they sacrifice a red heifer that could open everything up, because the clamour for another temple would increase significantly and what you've said above could happen. Can you imagine that scenario and if we seeing all of this before the Rapture wowee, my speculation also.
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Can you imagine? Wow.. just plain WOW!! People think it would have been really exciting to live in Bible times, what they don't realize is that we are living in Bible times, prophecy is happening before our very eyes! The only question is, how much will we see before he takes us home? Come quickly Lord Jesus.. please!
 
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Mr Hill

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daygo said:
Good one, imo when they sacrifice a red heifer that could open everything up, because the clamour for another temple would increase significantly and what you've said above could happen. Can you imagine that scenario and if we seeing all of this before the Rapture wowee, my speculation also.
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I'm thinking the same thing. The sacrifice of the heifer could really set things in motion and the push to get the temple built may increase dramatically. It's no accident that we are seeing the heifers at this time along with everything else that is going on in the world!
 
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Mr Hill

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JoyJoyJoy said:
https://gracethrufaith.com/ask-a-bible-teacher/more-on-the-coming-temple-2/

rapture can happen any time now, but the Temple will be rebuilt only after Israel has returned to its Old covenant relationship with God. I believe the anti-Christ will help clear the way for the Temple to be rebuilt, but Daniel 9:27 says he will also cause it to become desolate 3 1/2 years later, putting an end to sacrifice and offering. This means the Temple will have been in use for some period of time before he does this.

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I think Gracethrufaith.com is an acceptable resource.
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If that is true, then the rapture may be very, very close. A lot of Jews believe that it will be the Messiah that sacrifices the heifer and builds the third temple. Of course, we know that the real Messiah has already come, but the one that they worship will be the false one. Several rabbis in Israel have already predicted that the Messiah will soon make his appearance.
 
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Mr Hill

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katt said:
Can you imagine? Wow.. just plain WOW!! People think it would have been really exciting to live in Bible times, what they don't realize is that we are living in Bible times, prophecy is happening before our very eyes! The only question is, how much will we see before he takes us home? Come quickly Lord Jesus.. please!
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I agree 100%. As much as I would love to see the third temple built, I would rather be raptured right now and watch from Heaven!
 
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Mr Hill

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JoyJoyJoy said:
https://gracethrufaith.com/end-times-prophecy/the-great-pause/

I dont know how to post a whole article. This article explains why Israel has to have a 3rd temple and why they must perform animal sacrifices.

From my understanding, the Age of Grace will be over and the way of salvation is different...it goes back to being under the Law.
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I will read your article, but Jesus is the Messiah, now and forever. There is no way to the Father except through Him. That will still be true during the tribulation. The problem is that the Jews think they need a temple and animal sacrifice to be forgiven.
 
daygo

daygo

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Mr Hill said:
Will they have to have the ark of the covenant before they can rebuild the Temple?
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I saw somewhere on templeinstitute.org that they know where the ark is and won't disclose for obvious reasons don't know if it's true.
 
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katt

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The Ark disappeared centuries ago, it was never in the second temple, I do know one thing, if it's some place God disapproves of, he would make sure it found it's way to somewhere he did approve of, remember what happened to the Philistines when they stole it.

1 Samuel 5 and 6
 
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