Isaiah 17 – An Oracle Concerning Damascus

NavyMom

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Are you looking at that prophecy because Hamas is based in Damascus and you think Israel might strike there next ?
I have seen posts on social media saying if Hezbollah joins the war, Israel has threatened to attack Damascus. I will say that I've not seen confirmation, so its strictly rumors at this point.

I do know the Lord is directing everything happening and we just have to sit back and watch.
 

Wally

Choose Your Words Carefully...
I just saw a report [canada news site], that there is a major chemical weapons plant in Syria burning that threatens to release a massive toxic cloud.

I did not find the name or more exact location of the facility, so take it for what its worth. If its for real, other news should pick it up.
 

SkyRider

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I wonder if/when Iran will actively enter itself into the fray
Right now, they don't have to. The supposed masters of strategic chess playing are observing how their proxies Hamas and Hezbollah will effect the outcome that they desire. Iran wouldn't even need the aid of having nukes to use against Israel to get the result that they crave: the destruction of the Jewish State. Could you imagine the worldwide uproar among the Islamic community if they could somehow plant or air mail in a device into the Dome of the Rock, but make it look like Israel destroyed it? That would certainly lead to a massive invasion as Ezekiel foretells and even bring about the Isaiah 17 prophecy, maybe as direct result to the start of the Gog/Magog war. It might be God who destroys Damascus, and not the Israelis, as the text is a little vague on how it gets decimated. Most think that Israel is responsible after being attacked themselves, but it could be from a higher source.
 

Wally

Choose Your Words Carefully...
New escalation, Recent news item on MSN, Pipeline from Finland to Estonia has been damaged along with communication. Soviets are initially blamed.

More to follow. Apparently they are having an emergency meeting and it is know surveillance has been heightened since Nordstream.

:pray ing this is but an accident, not an incedent...
 

mphsmom

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I just saw a report [canada news site], that there is a major chemical weapons plant in Syria burning that threatens to release a massive toxic cloud.

I did not find the name or more exact location of the facility, so take it for what its worth. If its for real, other news should pick it up.
I searched to see if I could find something about this. I found one article about it on msn from a day ago. They are saying that they are expecting an imminent explosion, and the environmental damage would be absolutely horrible. They also said that their are many nations, including the US watching the situation.
 

alisani

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Ever since I began watching, decades ago, I heard people talk about what an exciting time it has been to see prophecy unfold. But I've never really felt that way, seeing more the pain and the lost. But I think what I am experiencing is a deep sense of gratitude that I see truth as He would have us see it. And with that, I do feel a sense of, I'm not sure what. Something akin to privilege but that's not really the word in my heart. Maybe just further gratitude that I live in a time when I can pray and share and praise and witness The Great I Am at work in such a global way. May He receive all honor and glory in these days and the days to come. He has saved me in so many ways and in so many various trials, I want to see that salvation come to others and in the way I know only He can do-miraculous, beautiful and always on time. I look forward, whether on this side or in eternity, to hold up my banner of thanksgiving and shout His victory. To shout out to all to hold fast to Him, to encourage and embolden people to declare His goodness everywhere. Does any of that make sense?
 

A pair of docks

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There are 2 main passages about the Destruction of Damascus and some others as well.

Isaiah 17 the whole chapter, all 14 verses
Jeremiah 49: 23- 27

Isaiah 17: NIV
1 A prophecy against Damascus:

“See, Damascus will no longer be a city
but will become a heap of ruins.
2 The cities of Aroer will be deserted
and left to flocks, which will lie down,
with no one to make them afraid.
3 The fortified city will disappear from Ephraim,
and royal power from Damascus;
the remnant of Aram will be
like the glory of the Israelites,”
declares the Lord Almighty.

4 “In that day the glory of Jacob will fade;
the fat of his body will waste away.
5 It will be as when reapers harvest the standing grain,
gathering the grain in their arms—
as when someone gleans heads of grain
in the Valley of Rephaim.
6 Yet some gleanings will remain,
as when an olive tree is beaten,
leaving two or three olives on the topmost branches,
four or five on the fruitful boughs,”
declares the Lord, the God of Israel.

7 In that day people will look to their Maker (in this case the word for people is Adam-- the whole human race)
and turn their eyes to the Holy One of Israel.

8 They will not look to the altars,
the work of their hands,
and they will have no regard for the Asherah poles
and the incense altars their fingers have made.

9 In that day their strong cities, which they left because of the Israelites, will be like places abandoned to thickets and undergrowth. And all will be desolation.

(the previous verses were describing Damascus and the people of Syria, now Isaiah addresses the Jews directly and this may be an indirect reference to their covenant with the Antichrist-- setting out finest plants, making them grow, a harvest of disease and pain)

10 You have forgotten God your Savior;
you have not remembered the Rock, your fortress.
Therefore, though you set out the finest plants
and plant imported vines,
11 though on the day you set them out, you make them grow,
and on the morning when you plant them, you bring them to bud,
yet the harvest will be as nothing
in the day of disease and incurable pain.

(Now Isaiah pronounces woe on the nations making a huge noise --likely angry with Israel for defending herself-- which she has a right to do, and likely if this is in the first half of the tribulation period, a covenant with the AC that ensures she can defend herself)

12 Woe to the many nations that rage—
they rage like the raging sea!
Woe to the peoples who roar—
they roar like the roaring of great waters!
13 Although the peoples roar like the roar of surging waters,
when he rebukes them they flee far away,
driven before the wind like chaff on the hills,
like tumbleweed before a gale.
14 In the evening, sudden terror!
Before the morning, they are gone!
This is the portion of those who loot us,
the lot of those who plunder us.


My note here-- although this had a partial fulfillment earlier in history, parts of this remain unfinished. Damascus never ceased from being a city. Even during the Assyrian conquest. Then there are the "in that day" phrases which usually point to an end time fulfillment. Especially referring to people who suddenly look to their Maker, The Holy One of Israel.

The phrase in verse 9 "In that day their strong cities, which they left because of the Israelites," suggests that whatever happened, the IDF had something to do with that final destruction. That immediately lets it out from happening as part of Ezek 38's Gog and Magog invasion because the IDF don't defend Israel in that GM event. Only God delivers them then. So this is different from the Gog Magog invasion. But it has one similarity. Is 17:14 suggests that somehow the root cause had something to do with plundering Israel, or trying to.

V 14 also tells us it happens overnight.

then there is the fact that the last half of the Tribulation the IDF can't respond in defence of Israel as the Jews are under the attack of the Antichrist from the midpoint on till Christ's return.

So whenever this happens it isn't part of the Gog Magog event (God takes care of that whole invasion without the help of the IDF or any human help) so because the IDF are involved in some way in the destruction of Damascus it isn't part of GM

It can't be part of the last half. Nor Gog Magog (GM)

So that leaves it to before the last half of the Tribulation, and before or after the Gog Magog event.

Since it uses terminology usually considered to be part of the Tribulation (in that day phrasing) then it's likely in the first half. That is further hinted at with the wording of v 10 which I think may hint at the covenant with death and hades as Isaiah terms it in Isaiah 28:16-22. Daniel 9:27. The covenant that starts the Tribulation 7 year period.

Since it refers to the unbelief of the inhabitants of Damascus (and Israel) this could be anytime from now till the end of the Tribulation.

Comparing this to the next passage helps IF they are referring to the same final event.

Jeremiah 49: 23- 27 NIV
23 Concerning Damascus:

“Hamath and Arpad are dismayed,
for they have heard bad news.
They are disheartened,
troubled like the restless sea.
24 Damascus has become feeble,
she has turned to flee
and panic has gripped her;
anguish and pain have seized her,
pain like that of a woman in labor.

25 Why has the city of renown not been abandoned,
the town in which I delight?

26 Surely, her young men will fall in the streets;
all her soldiers will be silenced in that day,”
declares the Lord Almighty.
27 “I will set fire to the walls of Damascus;
it will consume the fortresses of Ben-Hadad.”

Hamath still exists as the city of Hama, in Syria today just north of Damascus. Arpad is located just north of Aleppo, near the northern border of Syria with Turkey above it, and it is a key Syrian city today.

Verse 25 interjects a rhetorical question-- this city is not Damascus now, but Jerusalem, and it's contrasted with Damascus which HAS been abandoned. This suggests that like Isaiah 17, something was planned against Jerusalem, and ends up backfiring on Syria, resulting in the complete overnight destruction of Damascus by fire. Overnight.

Some versions suggest that trouble comes to Damascus from the sea coast, they turn to flee and are overtaken. Fire consumes Damascus.
Israel has never used nuclear weapons and has never felt the need to. They are saying that hezbollah has enough warheads to overwhelm the iron dome. This appears to be what verses 3 and 4 are referring to. Israel could sustain heavy losses to the extent that just a few at the top are left. And if iran has been stockpiling weapons of mass destruction in syria, that‘s enough reason for israel to strike preemptively. God’s ability to intervene and “confound” His enemies could include those weapons meant for hezbollah spontaneously exploding in syria, as the hamas rocket in the gaza hospital did.

The roaring of many peoples sounds just like the worldwide antisemitism and protests we have today.
 

A pair of docks

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I always thought that the Damascus attack would be an isolated event, but your theory makes a lot of sense in that this could be a proverbial "domino effect" with one attack provoking another. As for the prophecy concerning Edam in Jeremiah my understanding from reading a few opinions on this is that Iran's main nuclear reactor is actually located in the region of Edam so it makes perfect sense that the IDF would take this out and the people living in that area would be forced to disperse as the prophecy states. On one hand it makes sense that this might be a part of the "dominoes" falling in the area and leading to further conflicts. My only problem with this is do we really believe that Israel will wait until the Trib until Iran builds up a decent number of nukes? With all the talk coming out of the Israeli government lately it sounds like they will act sooner rather than later concerning the nuke issue. They want to prevent Iran from building any nuclear bombs.
They have made a covenant against Your treasured people. This is the muslim community, suuni and shia setting aside their differences for the common goal of the annihilation of Israel.
What disturbs me is the outrageous silence, the indifference, of the world about the vile evil that has occurred to the people of Israel. During ww2, the media tried to suppress the horrors of the holocaust because they didn’t want to join the war (please correct me if i’m wrong). But when we saw it, we couldn’t stand by or be silent. How times have changed!
 
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