If the Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath, why did God proscribe such a harsh penalty (death) for breaking it? If memory serves, wasn't someone put to death for simply carrying a load of wood during the Sabbath?
The prohibition was that no work at all could be done. You even mention that at the beginning of your reply.The Sabbath was a prophetic picture of man's rest in Christ. Therefore there could be no work done on it. Further—and I covered this territory in an article on RF a couple years back (https://www.raptureforums.com/forums/threads/how-to-answer-sabbath-keepers-how-to-witness-to-sabbath-keepers.123368/#post-842491068)—the only other prohibition was against a fire being kindled in the house on the Sabbath.
So then why did Jesus say what he said about it? Either it is important enough to be worthy of death for breaking it or it is intended to be more symbolic and death is not worthy of breaking it.The punishment by death of a Sabbath breaker confirms the significance and importance that God placed on the Sabbath.
Jesus All the laws of the Torah, but He didn’t adhere to the man-made laws of the Pharizees.
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. (Matt. 5)
Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked, "Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don't wash their hands before they eat!" Jesus replied, "And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition? For God said, `Honor your father and mother' and `Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.' But you say that if a man says to his father or mother, `Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is a gift devoted to God,' he is not to `honor his father ' with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition. You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you:"`These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.'" (Matt. 15)
The Pharisees did not come up with the Sabbath law or its consequence. God did.
I don't want to derail the thread by getting in depth into mattfivefour's article. So suffice it to say that it did not address the question I asked in the OP.Hi Lighthope,
I would really recommend reading that other thread Mattfivefour referenced. I think it will help answer some questions for you.
So then why did not Jesus condemn the person who did not keep the Sabbath, since he did not "put [his] faith in Jesus Christ" by not observing the Sabbath?Think about this, if the sabbath is a type, pointing to the rest in Christ, which is through faith in His work for us, then what is the consequences of one who does not put their faith in Jesus Christ?
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life through Christ Jesus our Lord. Rom 6:23
I have to admit, I find that to be a gymnastic-type stretch. Sometimes a rock is just a rock. But again, off topic.Types are so serious and important that when Moses struck the rock twice in the desert for water to quench the Israelite's thirst, God did not let Moses enter the promised land (but did go to be with God when he died). For the rock was also a type of Jesus Christ
Respectfully, that is not off-topic. It is the essence of the answer to your question ... an answer you just don't seem to be grasping. Clearly we are failing. I pray we can somehow find a way to communicate God's Truth on this topic to you more effectivelyI have to admit, I find that to be a gymnastic-type stretch. Sometimes a rock is just a rock. But again, off topic.
I don't see what your first phrase has to do with your first question. Nor does your second question really have any bearing on your first question.If the Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath, why did God proscribe such a harsh penalty (death) for breaking it? If memory serves, wasn't someone put to death for simply carrying a load of wood during the Sabbath?
Not even close, though I do appreciate the effort you took to reply.Does that answer your questions?
If I recall correctly, David was pretty upset over that incident. I may be misremembering it, though.This brings to mind a story from the Old Testament but I can not recall exactly where it is anyway the Israelites were moving the Arc of the Covenant and they were given strict rules of how it was to be done and handled. Long story short the Arc slipped and a man tried to stop it and when he touched it he died. I thought wow that was horrible, but going back and reading what led up to that incident, they were not handing the Arc the way God said to, and He told them if anyone touches it they would die, similar to a story in the garden comes to mind.
Dear Lighthope,If the Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath, why did God proscribe such a harsh penalty (death) for breaking it? If memory serves, wasn't someone put to death for simply carrying a load of wood during the Sabbath?
I do not see Jesus' answer as "dismissing" the importance of the Sabbath at all. God made a day of rest for man to observe, for the reasons I gave.Not even close, though I do appreciate the effort you took to reply.
Your post correctly took on the authority God has in imposing the penalty he did.
My question, which still remains unanswered despite the well-meaning intentions of the posters, is why did God impose such a penalty if Jesus dismisses it by reason of Sabbath made for Man not Man made for Sabbath?