If Amazon Thinks You’re a Racist, It Will Shut Down Your Smart Home

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If Amazon Thinks You’re a Racist, It Will Shut Down Your Smart Home
You no longer control your home. Amazon does.
By Daniel Greenfield

“Hey kids, be careful. If Alexa hears you say the wrong thing, nothing in the house will work anymore.”

They say that a fool and his cloud are easily parted.

We talk a lot about deplatforming, but when a single corporation doesn’t just control a site you use, but controls most of your life, everything from your doorbell to your vacuum, your music and your lightbulbs, and it decides that your politics are bad, you’ve got problems.

That’s exactly the situation that people put themselves in when they rely on Amazon or Google Home to control their smart home only to realize that they no longer control their home.

A touchy corporation that celebrates Pride Month and BLM all year round does. Beware of offending it.

A package was delivered to my house on Wednesday, May 24, and everything seemed fine. The following day, however, I found that my Echo Show had signed out, and I was unable to interact with my smart home devices…

The representative told me I should have received an email, which I indeed found in my inbox. It was from an executive at Amazon. As I dialed the number provided in the email, I half-wondered if Amazon was experiencing some issues and I was unwittingly falling into a scam.


When I connected with the executive, they asked if I knew why my account had been locked. When I answered I was unsure, their tone turned somewhat accusatory. I was told that the driver who had delivered my package reported receiving racist remarks from my “Ring doorbell”

Brandon Jackson, a Microsoft software engineer, who is writing this is actually black.

I reviewed the footage and confirmed that no such comments had been made. Instead, the Eufy doorbell had issued an automated response: “Excuse me, can I help you?” The driver, who was walking away and wearing headphones, must have misinterpreted the message. Nevertheless, by the following day, my Amazon account was locked, and all my Echo devices were logged out.

Since everything is centralized, losing your Amazon account also kills the smart home setup meaning that everything from thermostats to lights to vacuums might not work anymore.

However, I question why my entire smart home system had to be rendered unusable during their internal investigation. It seems more sensible to impose a temporary delivery restriction or purchasing ban on my account. Submitting video evidence from multiple angles right after my initial call with the executive appeared to have little impact on their decision to disable my account.

The short answer is because Amazon wields nearly unlimited power and sees no reason to compromise when cracking down. A single account provides better control and more leverage to punish anyone it doesn’t like.

That’s something to consider when purchasing Amazon devices.

Offend Amazon and your Kindle won’t work, your books, music and movies will be inaccessible and you may even have trouble getting in and out of your house.

Jackson writes, “due to this experience, I am seriously considering discontinuing my use of Amazon Echo devices and will caution others about this incident.”

Seriously considering.

This is a dystopia but we’re also doing it to ourselves. Amazon didn’t force us to hook up our entire lives to it. It just seemed convenient. But those who can give you convenience can also take it away in a nanosecond.

https://www.raptureforums.com/polit...e-a-racist-it-will-shut-down-your-smart-home/
 

TimeWarpWife

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A few years ago I was thinking about getting an Alexa device, but right before I made the purchase the news story came out about Alexa recording a family's conversations and then sent them to random people in their contact list. That was enough of a red flag for me to know I'll never get any "smart" device for our home. I prefer to keep my home "stupid" ~ and private.
 

HisGloryIsPrecious

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My “techie savvy” computer networking manager brother has one in every room in his house! I think he’s nuts. He has a lot of things hooked up to it. We are also somehow connected to his account, and I will get notifications on my phone about the weather in his area. (He lives across the Country) He bought us two, and a third one showed up for Mother’s Day. We didn’t ask for it. It is not yet connected. All we do with ours is play music and listen to sports talk radio. We know someone is listening and my mom and I joke in front of it that maybe it’s CHI-NA! Perhaps we should stop doing that because I’m now wondering if they might shut my brother down. :scratch
 

GotGrace

Well-Known Member
If Amazon Thinks You’re a Racist, It Will Shut Down Your Smart Home
You no longer control your home. Amazon does.
By Daniel Greenfield

“Hey kids, be careful. If Alexa hears you say the wrong thing, nothing in the house will work anymore.”

They say that a fool and his cloud are easily parted.

We talk a lot about deplatforming, but when a single corporation doesn’t just control a site you use, but controls most of your life, everything from your doorbell to your vacuum, your music and your lightbulbs, and it decides that your politics are bad, you’ve got problems.

That’s exactly the situation that people put themselves in when they rely on Amazon or Google Home to control their smart home only to realize that they no longer control their home.

A touchy corporation that celebrates Pride Month and BLM all year round does. Beware of offending it.

A package was delivered to my house on Wednesday, May 24, and everything seemed fine. The following day, however, I found that my Echo Show had signed out, and I was unable to interact with my smart home devices…

The representative told me I should have received an email, which I indeed found in my inbox. It was from an executive at Amazon. As I dialed the number provided in the email, I half-wondered if Amazon was experiencing some issues and I was unwittingly falling into a scam.


When I connected with the executive, they asked if I knew why my account had been locked. When I answered I was unsure, their tone turned somewhat accusatory. I was told that the driver who had delivered my package reported receiving racist remarks from my “Ring doorbell”

Brandon Jackson, a Microsoft software engineer, who is writing this is actually black.

I reviewed the footage and confirmed that no such comments had been made. Instead, the Eufy doorbell had issued an automated response: “Excuse me, can I help you?” The driver, who was walking away and wearing headphones, must have misinterpreted the message. Nevertheless, by the following day, my Amazon account was locked, and all my Echo devices were logged out.

Since everything is centralized, losing your Amazon account also kills the smart home setup meaning that everything from thermostats to lights to vacuums might not work anymore.

However, I question why my entire smart home system had to be rendered unusable during their internal investigation. It seems more sensible to impose a temporary delivery restriction or purchasing ban on my account. Submitting video evidence from multiple angles right after my initial call with the executive appeared to have little impact on their decision to disable my account.

The short answer is because Amazon wields nearly unlimited power and sees no reason to compromise when cracking down. A single account provides better control and more leverage to punish anyone it doesn’t like.

That’s something to consider when purchasing Amazon devices.

Offend Amazon and your Kindle won’t work, your books, music and movies will be inaccessible and you may even have trouble getting in and out of your house.

Jackson writes, “due to this experience, I am seriously considering discontinuing my use of Amazon Echo devices and will caution others about this incident.”

Seriously considering.

This is a dystopia but we’re also doing it to ourselves. Amazon didn’t force us to hook up our entire lives to it. It just seemed convenient. But those who can give you convenience can also take it away in a nanosecond.

https://www.raptureforums.com/polit...e-a-racist-it-will-shut-down-your-smart-home/
I find it amazing the Bezo would sit in judgement of that homeowner while he sails around the world with the girlfriend he threw his wife over for (on a 500 million dollar boat) Isn’t that just amazing he has a contraption to monitor people to see if he approves of what they say.
 

GotGrace

Well-Known Member
If Amazon Thinks You’re a Racist, It Will Shut Down Your Smart Home
You no longer control your home. Amazon does.
By Daniel Greenfield

“Hey kids, be careful. If Alexa hears you say the wrong thing, nothing in the house will work anymore.”

They say that a fool and his cloud are easily parted.

We talk a lot about deplatforming, but when a single corporation doesn’t just control a site you use, but controls most of your life, everything from your doorbell to your vacuum, your music and your lightbulbs, and it decides that your politics are bad, you’ve got problems.

That’s exactly the situation that people put themselves in when they rely on Amazon or Google Home to control their smart home only to realize that they no longer control their home.

A touchy corporation that celebrates Pride Month and BLM all year round does. Beware of offending it.

A package was delivered to my house on Wednesday, May 24, and everything seemed fine. The following day, however, I found that my Echo Show had signed out, and I was unable to interact with my smart home devices…

The representative told me I should have received an email, which I indeed found in my inbox. It was from an executive at Amazon. As I dialed the number provided in the email, I half-wondered if Amazon was experiencing some issues and I was unwittingly falling into a scam.


When I connected with the executive, they asked if I knew why my account had been locked. When I answered I was unsure, their tone turned somewhat accusatory. I was told that the driver who had delivered my package reported receiving racist remarks from my “Ring doorbell”

Brandon Jackson, a Microsoft software engineer, who is writing this is actually black.

I reviewed the footage and confirmed that no such comments had been made. Instead, the Eufy doorbell had issued an automated response: “Excuse me, can I help you?” The driver, who was walking away and wearing headphones, must have misinterpreted the message. Nevertheless, by the following day, my Amazon account was locked, and all my Echo devices were logged out.

Since everything is centralized, losing your Amazon account also kills the smart home setup meaning that everything from thermostats to lights to vacuums might not work anymore.

However, I question why my entire smart home system had to be rendered unusable during their internal investigation. It seems more sensible to impose a temporary delivery restriction or purchasing ban on my account. Submitting video evidence from multiple angles right after my initial call with the executive appeared to have little impact on their decision to disable my account.

The short answer is because Amazon wields nearly unlimited power and sees no reason to compromise when cracking down. A single account provides better control and more leverage to punish anyone it doesn’t like.

That’s something to consider when purchasing Amazon devices.

Offend Amazon and your Kindle won’t work, your books, music and movies will be inaccessible and you may even have trouble getting in and out of your house.

Jackson writes, “due to this experience, I am seriously considering discontinuing my use of Amazon Echo devices and will caution others about this incident.”

Seriously considering.

This is a dystopia but we’re also doing it to ourselves. Amazon didn’t force us to hook up our entire lives to it. It just seemed convenient. But those who can give you convenience can also take it away in a nanosecond.

https://www.raptureforums.com/polit...e-a-racist-it-will-shut-down-your-smart-home/
Never intend to get one. I am able to get up from my chair and do whatever I need done.
 

NewWine2020

Well-Known Member
If Amazon Thinks You’re a Racist, It Will Shut Down Your Smart Home
You no longer control your home. Amazon does.
By Daniel Greenfield

“Hey kids, be careful. If Alexa hears you say the wrong thing, nothing in the house will work anymore.”

They say that a fool and his cloud are easily parted.

We talk a lot about deplatforming, but when a single corporation doesn’t just control a site you use, but controls most of your life, everything from your doorbell to your vacuum, your music and your lightbulbs, and it decides that your politics are bad, you’ve got problems.

That’s exactly the situation that people put themselves in when they rely on Amazon or Google Home to control their smart home only to realize that they no longer control their home.

A touchy corporation that celebrates Pride Month and BLM all year round does. Beware of offending it.

A package was delivered to my house on Wednesday, May 24, and everything seemed fine. The following day, however, I found that my Echo Show had signed out, and I was unable to interact with my smart home devices…

The representative told me I should have received an email, which I indeed found in my inbox. It was from an executive at Amazon. As I dialed the number provided in the email, I half-wondered if Amazon was experiencing some issues and I was unwittingly falling into a scam.


When I connected with the executive, they asked if I knew why my account had been locked. When I answered I was unsure, their tone turned somewhat accusatory. I was told that the driver who had delivered my package reported receiving racist remarks from my “Ring doorbell”

Brandon Jackson, a Microsoft software engineer, who is writing this is actually black.

I reviewed the footage and confirmed that no such comments had been made. Instead, the Eufy doorbell had issued an automated response: “Excuse me, can I help you?” The driver, who was walking away and wearing headphones, must have misinterpreted the message. Nevertheless, by the following day, my Amazon account was locked, and all my Echo devices were logged out.

Since everything is centralized, losing your Amazon account also kills the smart home setup meaning that everything from thermostats to lights to vacuums might not work anymore.

However, I question why my entire smart home system had to be rendered unusable during their internal investigation. It seems more sensible to impose a temporary delivery restriction or purchasing ban on my account. Submitting video evidence from multiple angles right after my initial call with the executive appeared to have little impact on their decision to disable my account.

The short answer is because Amazon wields nearly unlimited power and sees no reason to compromise when cracking down. A single account provides better control and more leverage to punish anyone it doesn’t like.

That’s something to consider when purchasing Amazon devices.

Offend Amazon and your Kindle won’t work, your books, music and movies will be inaccessible and you may even have trouble getting in and out of your house.

Jackson writes, “due to this experience, I am seriously considering discontinuing my use of Amazon Echo devices and will caution others about this incident.”

Seriously considering.

This is a dystopia but we’re also doing it to ourselves. Amazon didn’t force us to hook up our entire lives to it. It just seemed convenient. But those who can give you convenience can also take it away in a nanosecond.

https://www.raptureforums.com/polit...e-a-racist-it-will-shut-down-your-smart-home/

My brother has a home that can be "helpfully" run by telling Alexa what your wish is. IMHO, it's just stupid.

Smart homes are ridiculous, part of the dumbing down, infantilizing and fattening up of our society. It's like people actually think the world portrayed in Wall-E or Idiocracy is something to strive for. :)

I'm quite happy to get myself up off the sofa and turn the lamp on/adj my thermostat, etc. manually.

On a more ominous note, it's willingly abdicating potential control over your domicile to someone who might hate you because you disagree with them. I forgot which state it was but there was a news story a while back where the state power company hijacked and remotely adjusted their customers "smart" thermostats. I would bet money it was a Dim state.

Edit: Yep. It was Denver, Co.
 

Carl

Well-Known Member
I find it amazing the Bezo would sit in judgement of that homeowner while he sails around the world with the girlfriend he threw his wife over for (on a 500 million dollar boat) Isn’t that just amazing he has a contraption to monitor people to see if he approves of what they say.
I wonder if all his customers signed an agreement on how to act to keep the Amazon stuff working?
 

Ghoti Ichthus

Pray so they do not serve alone. Ephesians 6:10-20
Smart homes have a few good uses: Seriously handicapped and elderly, who need the automated assistance.

I worry because Dad has a smart TV, which I'm "sure" listens and records, and really old people like Dad "say things" they either don't mean, the words mean something different now than in the past, and medication, medical conditions, and cognition issues can impact what someone says.
 

Ghoti Ichthus

Pray so they do not serve alone. Ephesians 6:10-20
If Amazon shuts down a smart home, is the corporation, and by extension, the corporate officers, and maybe the shareholders, liable if someone dies as a result? Or injuries, illness, or property destruction/damage? Heat in -40F winter, AC in 110F summer, oxygen concentrators, CPAP, refrigerator full of food, refrigerated medication or breast milk, house fire or earthquake and the door won't open, alarm doesn't alert anyone to a home invasion, etc.

If someone in a smart apartment or condo is deemed "unacceptable," is it only his or her unit that gets shut down, or is it the whole building or complex?

If (when) this becomes mandatory, will there be exceptions for people with PTSD, etc. for whom the intrusiveness and constant-on nature of the technology would aggravate the condition(s)?
 

Reason & Hope

Well-Known Member
Setting aside the smart home aspect of this situation for one moment, we have a case in which a single employee misheard something, assumed the worst, reported it and the customer didn't even get due process. No one notified him of his punishment/disruption of service. The decision was unilateral, instantaneous, and anonymous. Furthermore, when he showed the customer service person clear evidence of his innocence, the company still took many days to straighten it out.

This lack of due process of ability to defend oneself is something we see with all sorts of companies and banks unfairly canceling their clients.
 

Ghoti Ichthus

Pray so they do not serve alone. Ephesians 6:10-20
Setting aside the smart home aspect of this situation for one moment, we have a case in which a single employee misheard something, assumed the worst, reported it and the customer didn't even get due process. No one notified him of his punishment/disruption of service. The decision was unilateral, instantaneous, and anonymous. Furthermore, when he showed the customer service person clear evidence of his innocence, the company still took many days to straighten it out.

This lack of due process of ability to defend oneself is something we see with all sorts of companies and banks unfairly canceling their clients.

For years, companies can and have punished and used third parties to get even, if a customer is right, or the person rightly complained about a sufficiently powerful or high ranking person in the company. Example, a bank can reduce someone's line of credit at its "discretion" or "after a periodic review," which is bad enough, but when they report the reduced (or eliminated) credit, the credit reporting bureaus reduce the person's credit score. Generally no recourse and the adverse effects can persist for a decade or more :mad
 

DWB

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This is a little off the subject, but I'm sick and tired of all the sensors and safety devices on new vehicles. My 2017 Ram truck thinks it knows how to drive better than I do. Currently looking for a mid-nineties Chevy without all the new stuff added.

Also, unless I'm mistaken, OnStar can disable your car at any time!.
 

Círeth

Purry, roary, one.
I don't know why anyone would hook devices up to anything beyond their control.

If I had smart devices they'd all use my own operating system which I owned. There'd be no cloud connectivity involved.

I now want to start writing this thing in Python when I have the energy. Which would mean learning Python... which feels like the mental equivalent of clubbing myself over the head with a brick repeatedly.

Ya know what? Nevermind. :sleepchair
 
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