Homosexual “Marriage” and the Last Days

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Homosexual “Marriage” and the Last Days
By Dr. Scott Lively and Kevin Abrams

Ancient Rabbinical tradition holds that homosexuality, more specifically “homosexual marriage,” was the “final insult” to God which caused Him to bring the Great Flood.

From a biblical perspective ritualized sexual perversion and especially homosexuality mark the furthest extreme of rebellion against God. Ancient Rabbinical tradition holds that homosexuality, more specifically homosexual marriage, was the “final insult” to God which caused Him to bring that Great Flood which only Noah and his family survived. In his book Ancient Post-Flood History theologian Ken Johnson cites three prominent Rabbinical sources on this point:

Rabbi Huna said in the name of Rabbi Joseph, “The generation of the Flood was not wiped out until they wrote marriage documents for the union of a man to a male or to an animal.” Genesis Rabbah 26:4-5; Leviticus Rabbah 23.9.

Rabbi Hiyyah taught: The passage reads “I am the Lord, your God” two times – I am the One Who punished the generation of the Flood, and the people of Sodom and Gomorrah, and Egypt; and in the future I will punish those who do as they did. The generations of the Flood were kings, and were wiped off the earth when they were soaked in sexual sin. Leviticus Rabbah 23:9 (commentary on Leviticus 18:3)

And what did they do? A man got married to a man, and a woman to a woman, a man married a woman and her daughter, and a woman was married to two (men). Therefore it is said, “And you shall not walk in their statutes.” Sifra Acharei Mot, Parashaw 9:8 (commentary on Leviticus 18:3.19)

Immediately following the Flood we find that the seed of homosexual perversion has survived in the human family through the line of Ham. In Genesis 9, Noah fell unconscious from drinking too much wine and while he was thus incapacitated Ham [or rather Ham’s son Caanan] “saw [or uncovered] his nakedness.” This term “uncovering nakedness,“ used primarily in the book of Leviticus, is a Hebraic euphemism for sexual intercourse.

In the New American Standard Bible, the passage reads:

Ham, the father of Caanan, saw the nakedness of his father….When Noah awoke from his wine, he knew what his youngest [grand]son had done to him. So he said, ‘Cursed be Caanan‘ (Genesis 9:22-25).

In Call of the Torah Rabbi Elie Munk cites Hebrew scholars who also interpret Caanan’s violation as “an act of pederasty” — (Munk:220).

Thus, as a result of his sexual attack on his grandfather, Caanan is cursed by Noah and banished from his presence. Caanan then takes possession of the very territory that would later be promised to Abraham’s descendants: the “Promised Land of Israel.”

Importantly, a few generations after Caanan’s banishment, four cities which his descendants had founded, including Sodom and Gomorrah, were destroyed by God because of homosexuality. Sexual perversion had so thoroughly corrupted the society that it rivaled the apostasy that had caused the Great Flood. Every single man of Sodom, both young and old descended on the home of Abraham’s nephew Lot with the intent to rape the two angels sent by God to judge the city. So insatiable was their lust that they continued to pursue their vile goal even after being stuck blind by the angels. Their destruction followed swiftly. (Genesis 19:1-11).

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Kaatje

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Another Rabbi explained the sin of Ham was that he "uncovered his father's nakedness",
meaning that he slept with Noah's wife (so maybe his own mother).
Through this act he begot Canaan, and Canaan carried the genes of the Nephilim from his mother's line.
(Noah was free of those genes). And that explains why Canaan was cursed.

I don't know whether that is true or not, but likely has some merit. Maybe the OP is another possibility.

However it may be, depravity, one way or the other is the root of the problem.
And in our day and age these sins are abundantly propagated and hailed.
 
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Goodboy

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Here is part of something I wrote speaking about how near the rapture is and speaks about the importance of Godly laws and God's wrath.

· Sodom & Gomorra
There are two times in history when God poured out his wrath due to sin and evil in the world. The first was the “Great Flood” and the second was the destruction of Sodom & Gomorra. I believe that Sodom & Gomorra is a clearer example as to why God was forced to pour out his wrath.
Most people simply think that Sodom & Gomorra was filled with sinners, as if to say that other areas of the world were not. The truth is that we are all sinners and so were all of the people at that time, no matter where they lived. I will not go into it at this time, but if you read the New Testament you will soon realize that there are really only two categories of people. You are either a sinner with your sins washed away (a believer), or a sinner with no covering for your sins (an unbeliever). Either way you are still a sinner. Whether you commit small or large sins, you are still a sinner!
So if we can conclude, as I believe we can, that all of the people at that time were sinners, then why did God choose to only destroy Sodom & Gomorra. One reason is because there were no laws against sinning there. Worse and more importantly, the people of Sodom & Gomorra did not feel that what they were doing was wrong. Therefore there was no condemnation or remorse for their sins. Without remorse or condemnation no one would ever be motivated to “Repent”. Without repentance, no one would look for a savior to cover his or her sins.
Why is this important? Well just look at how the laws and people’s opinions have changed about abortion, homosexuality, fornication, pornography and the list goes on and on. If God judged Sodom & Gomorra for lack of condemnation and remorse, won’t he also judge us? I believe he will and it won’t be too long from now.

Goodboy
 

Rocky Rivera

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Another Rabbi explained the sin of Ham was that he "uncovered his father's nakedness",
meaning that he slept with Noah's wife (so maybe his own mother).
Through this act he begot Canaan, and Canaan carried the genes of the Nephilim from his mother's line.
(Noah was free of those genes). And that explains why Canaan was cursed.
If Noah's wife was part Nephilim, then Ham, Shem, and Japheth were also part Nephilim -- which would imply that we all carry Nephilim genes, thus being an impure humanity. Therefore, this is not true. Genesis 6:9 says,""This is the genealogy of Noah. Noah was a just man, perfect in his generations." "Perfect in his generations" does not refer to a sinless moral character, but his human ancestry and biology. How do we know that? The first sentence makes the introduction -- "This is the genealogy of Noah...". This means that he is of pure human stock. By the way, the curse on Canaan was fulfilled when God commanded the Israelites to drive them out of the land. Not all the descendants of Canaan were "cursed". Asians themselves have descended from Canaan through his son Sin. Yes, God hates sexual perversion and the mating of unlike species. But we are not in any way Nephilim.
 

Rocky Rivera

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Another Rabbi explained the sin of Ham was that he "uncovered his father's nakedness",
meaning that he slept with Noah's wife (so maybe his own mother).
By the way, how do these rabbis come up with such unbiblical ideas? Before you answer, remember that in the spirit of ancient rabbinical tradition, they thought it was a good idea to murder Jesus. The way I see it, Noah got drunk and passed out either forgetting to wear his robe to bed, or disrobing before bed because the combination of wine, the day's work, and sunshine made him feel very hot -- the wine clouding his better judgment about undressing. Ham passes by and sees his daddy in his birthday suit, runs to brothers and tells them daddy is naked. Ham probably did not expect to see his daddy in the buff, and therefore didn't have anything on hand to cover him. Was seeing him naked a sin? No, it was an accident. Why didn't he cover him afterwards, and left the job to his two other brothers? Maybe he had an errand to run that was important, but took the time to tell his brothers so they could do it because Ham was concerned about daddy dearest. What does Noah do when he finds out? He curses his own son. Ham did not put the wine in his hand, did not disrobe him, did not curse him back. Was this all Noah's fault? Yes, it was.
 

TheRedeemed

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Don't buy it am afraid, doesn't make sense to me.
I would tend to agree with you Daygo.

When God instituted the great flood, it was for a purpose. That purpose was to remove and destroy all traces of the Nephilim, this also included the animals too, these must have been tampered with by them too.

Gigantism is a side effect of DNA mixing, so dinosaurs? <-- just me thinking out loud!

Noah and all of his family must have been pure, i.e. 100% human DNA. God's plan for a flood to eradicate the mixed DNA would have failed if Noah's wife wasn't pure.

The flood achieved what it's grand purpose was, total eradication of the Satanically engineered genes from all of creation.
 

Rocky Rivera

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Isn't this also inserting your own opinion into the text? I think we'll never know truly this side of heaven.
Yes, that's why I said "maybe" because we don't know. What we do know is that Ham saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brothers outside. The text says that Ham "saw", not Ham uncovered / undressed / etc. Who got drunk? Noah. Who got undressed? Noah. Therefore, whose fault is this? Noah. Who didn't repent or apologize but cursed his own son? Noah. So whose sin is it? Noah!
 

Kaatje

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When Jacob blesses his sons on his deathbed he tells Ruben: “...Unstable as water, thou shalt not excel; because thou wentest up to thy father’s bed; then defiledst thou it: he went up to my couch.”
From another Scripture we learn that he slept with Bilha, his father’s concubine, so what Jacob says here is an euphemism.
Noah just uses the same way of saying what has happened.

And no @Rocky Rivera, the Nephilim genes were not wiped out after the flood, the were passed on through Canaan.

Here is an exerpt of what I posted on another thread some time ago:

Nefilim after the flood

Genesis 6:4
There were Nephilim in the earth in those days; and also after that....

Numbers 13:3.
And there we saw the Nefilim, the sons of Anak, who come from the Nefilim; and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.
Anak can, but doesn’t have to be a name. The word “anak” means “giant” in Hebrew, so it could be translated as giant people or giant beings.
(Compare to son of Adam - human being)

So it seems that while the Flood wiped out all the Nefilim and their offspring, some of their DNA survived. If you look at the lineage of Shem, Ham and Japheth, you see where the tribes of the Giants come from.

The lineage of the post-flood giants can be traced specifically to three of Ham’s sons, Cush, Mizraim and Canaan.

And Mizraim begat Ludim, and Anamim, and Lehabim, and Naphtuhim, And Pathrusim, and Casluhim, (out of whom came Philistim,) and Caphtorim. – Genesis 10:13-14.

In verse 14 we have the first mention of the Phillistines (whose forefather was Phillistim), the nation of the giant Goliath. Calshuhim was the father of Phillistim and his family later resided in Capthor in the Promised Land. So we see the direct origins of the Philistines, one of the most heated enemies of the Israelites, who also carried the Nephilim gene.

And Mizraim begat Ludim, And Canaan begat Sidon his first born, and Heth, And the Jebusite, and the Amorite, and the Girgasite, — Genesis 10:14-16.

The Jebusites, the Amorites and Gegusites (all cousins of Nimrod), are mentioned time and time again with reference to the Israelites capturing the Promised Land. These families were usurpers in the Promised Land and carried the Nephilim gene. This is why God instructed the Israelites to deal mercilessly with these nations.

When the LORD thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee, the Hittites, and the Girgashites, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than thou; And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them: Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son. — Deuteronomy 7:1-3.

Notice that God describes these nations as “greater and mightier than thou” to the Israelites. The physical and military advantage was clearly on the side of the enemies of God – the nations that were home to the Nephilim giants. But what gave the Israelites the ultimate edge was that The Lord Himself was going to supernaturally intervene early on in the conflict to deliver the enemies of Israel so they could be defeated.
 

Kaatje

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By the way, how do these rabbis come up with such unbiblical ideas? Before you answer, remember that in the spirit of ancient rabbinical tradition, they thought it was a good idea to murder Jesus. The way I see it, Noah got drunk and passed out either forgetting to wear his robe to bed, or disrobing before bed because the combination of wine, the day's work, and sunshine made him feel very hot -- the wine clouding his better judgment about undressing. Ham passes by and sees his daddy in his birthday suit, runs to brothers and tells them daddy is naked. Ham probably did not expect to see his daddy in the buff, and therefore didn't have anything on hand to cover him. Was seeing him naked a sin? No, it was an accident. Why didn't he cover him afterwards, and left the job to his two other brothers? Maybe he had an errand to run that was important, but took the time to tell his brothers so they could do it because Ham was concerned about daddy dearest. What does Noah do when he finds out? He curses his own son. Ham did not put the wine in his hand, did not disrobe him, did not curse him back. Was this all Noah's fault? Yes, it was.
I resent what you write here, Rocky Rivera, and I would like you take it back.
The Bilble itself tells us Noah was just and righteous, and you make him sound like a drunkard who unjustly put his own blame on his son.
 

Rocky Rivera

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I resent what you write here, Rocky Rivera, and I would like you take it back.
The Bilble itself tells us Noah was just and righteous, and you make him sound like a drunkard who unjustly put his own blame on his son.
Hi Kaatje. Sorry sister, but I must respectfully disagree with you. I'm pretty sure both you and I have many incorrect assumptions that will be corrected once we get to Heaven. But if we get it wrong about Jesus it won't matter what we got right. The great thing is that we got it right about Jesus, and He will ultimately set us straight. That said, the Bible did say that Noah was just and righteous -- but he wasn't perfect. Also, he wasn't good. Jesus Himself said that no one is good, but God. Was Noah saved by his own righteousness, or by his faith in God? You know the answer. Are the faithful still capable of committing sin? Yes, just like Noah, David, and even Simon Peter had their moments! Since it was brought up, I'm looking at Noah's "moment" here, just as some people preach about David and Bathsheba. But examine the text for yourself. Who got drunk? Noah. Who disrobed Noah? Noah. Did Ham put the wineskin in Noah's hand? No. Did Ham force Noah to drink? No. Did Ham disrobe Noah? No. Therefore whose fault was it? Noah. But did Noah curse Ham? Yes. So whose sin was it? Noah!
 

Rocky Rivera

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And no @Rocky Rivera, the Nephilim genes were not wiped out after the flood, the were passed on through Canaan.

Here is an exerpt of what I posted on another thread some time ago:

The lineage of the post-flood giants can be traced specifically to three of Ham’s sons, Cush, Mizraim and Canaan.

Notice that God describes these nations as “greater and mightier than thou” to the Israelites. The physical and military advantage was clearly on the side of the enemies of God – the nations that were home to the Nephilim giants. But what gave the Israelites the ultimate edge was that The Lord Himself was going to supernaturally intervene early on in the conflict to deliver the enemies of Israel so they could be defeated.
Black people and Asian people can trace their ancestry to Ham, son of Noah. Blacks are descended from Cush, Asians from Canaan through his son Sin. Some people long ago read that text and used it to justify the enslavement of black people. Are Asians cursed too? Or can they share in God's grace through Jesus Christ? The Christian church is alive, active, and flourishing in Asia, despite intense persecution in mainland China and North Korea. Jesus said, "Blessed are you when they revile you and persecute you and say all manner of evil against you because of Me." Are these good brethren cursed because of what Noah said, or blessed because of what Christ said?
 

RobinMc

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If I get drunk, I'm responsible for that. If someone rapes me in my drunken state, they are responsible for that.
I've always thought these verses were speaking of rape.
 

Jan51

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Read Lev. 18. If you compare all the wording, you will see that "uncover the nakedness" is a phrase (an idiom?) that means to take, to approach, to lie with. This chapter is clearly forbidding sexual contact between various parties. Note Lev 18:8, "The nakedness of thy father's wife shalt thou not uncover: it is thy father's nakedness." It sounds like uncovering your father's nakedness was a way of saying, sex with her.

I find it hard to believe that the prohibition was against seeing a man's privates, since men tend to, uh, "relieve themselves" in front of other men all time. When God gives Abraham the command of circumcision, how would men know whether other men were circumcised or not, unless this was the common practice?

As far as whether Noah's wife could have Nephilim DNA, well, we don't know for sure that she was the mother of those three sons. We know she was Noah's wife, but it is possible their mother passed away and Noah had remarried. She is never called their mother.
 
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