Help with Jehovah's Witnesses

livin_in_the_Son

Well-Known Member
Ok, I live in a trailer park that has strict rules for "no solicitation". Basically, it means you can solicit whatever until someone tells on you.

Well, the local "ward" of JW's have taken to mailing every one in the park their "brand" of the (cough cough) truth. Blech! Both Jason and I have received separate mailings, addressed to us personally, complete with a letter with questions such as, "what is the meaning of life", "is God to blame for our suffering" and the direction to their website, plus an invitation to their "kingdom hall", with the admonition that there is never a collection taken.

Usually, I just toss these letters, along with the other junk. That is until I realized that the return address was for their ward, and not the address of the sender. That kind of made me mad. Like the sender was hiding behind their church, they didn't want the return mail.

So, I decided to send the recent letters received, back to the ward, complete with the verses and arguments detailed in the first post of this thread, a gospel tract...but also to say..."look we know the truth, leave us alone." Jason laughed, and said that it was a losing battle...and he's probably right. I'm just sick and tired of these particular JW's cluttering up my mailbox with junk.

At least others were bold enough in their beliefs to knock on my door, and engage in a discussion.

Truth be told, it also gave me insight into the heart of an unbeliever, who just pulled a gospel tract off their windshield. I'm not saying that passing tracts is bad...just that as true believers we shouldn't hide behind that safety net...we should be bold in our witness!

Praise God, I'm learning Lord!!
 
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BarbT

Well-Known Member
I have a question about JW's. I have noticed that they do not have programs (that I know of) to help the homeless. They don't have homeless shelters or food banks. I've also noticed that they don't seem to be compelled to help individuals with their difficult life situations. For instance, do they rally to take donations to help someone in need out?

Catholics, though a cult does some of the above to some degree. Do JW's? If not, why not? What's their reasoning for not doing outreach work?
As I was reviewing this very informative thread I noticed Lily's question above went unanswered. Out of curiosity I did a Google search on the subject. Most of the better sources that came up were blogs by ex-JWs so I can't post the links but I'll try to give a general synopsis in my own words gleaned from their stories.

*Donating to Cancer research, etc is discouraged as a waste of money because Jehovah will soon wipe out all disease in His Kingdom so why bother?

*The JW organization likes to brag about sending in teams of relief workers to help after natural disasters. True, they do send some help, but the part they suppress is that the teams are restricted to helping only JW "brothers" if at all possible. Very little help is ever extended to non-JWs and is discouraged.

*Homeless people are quietly looked upon with disdain as not worthy of Jehovah's favor. If they had only obeyed Him they wouldn't be homeless or hungry.....:rolleyes:

*Consensus: The Watchtower hierarchy of religious snobs views the world as a place full of evil sinners, beneath them in intellect and spiritual matters, who are about to be exterminated by Jehovah at Armageddon because they aren't "in the truth". They believe God would rather have His followers concentrate on winning souls than wasting time helping those who are doomed anyway.


I'm sure the WT leaders don't actually preach these guidelines out loud to their congregations but they do succeed in conveying the message. I have always known this is a dangerous cult but I never realized until doing this research today that the driving force behind the Watchtower is a cleverly masked hatred for people. :(
 

Lily

Looking Up
As I was reviewing this very informative thread I noticed Lily's question above went unanswered. Out of curiosity I did a Google search on the subject. Most of the better sources that came up were blogs by ex-JWs so I can't post the links but I'll try to give a general synopsis in my own words gleaned from their stories.

*Donating to Cancer research, etc is discouraged as a waste of money because Jehovah will soon wipe out all disease in His Kingdom so why bother?

*The JW organization likes to brag about sending in teams of relief workers to help after natural disasters. True, they do send some help, but the part they suppress is that the teams are restricted to helping only JW "brothers" if at all possible. Very little help is ever extended to non-JWs and is discouraged.

*Homeless people are quietly looked upon with disdain as not worthy of Jehovah's favor. If they had only obeyed Him they wouldn't be homeless or hungry.....:rolleyes:

*Consensus: The Watchtower hierarchy of religious snobs views the world as a place full of evil sinners, beneath them in intellect and spiritual matters, who are about to be exterminated by Jehovah at Armageddon because they aren't "in the truth". They believe God would rather have His followers concentrate on winning souls than wasting time helping those who are doomed anyway.


I'm sure the WT leaders don't actually preach these guidelines out loud to their congregations but they do succeed in conveying the message. I have always known this is a dangerous cult but I never realized until doing this research today that the driving force behind the Watchtower is a cleverly masked hatred for people. :(
I don't know how I missed this reply post all this time! Nonetheless, thank you so much for searching and finding some answers. I have asked a JW I know repeatedly some of the above questions and he always rolled his eyes, or became silent, or changed the subject.

This is a heartless cult, in so many ways. Problem is, it's actually one of best in technique to keeping their followers in line. After more than ten years of trying, I cannot get my JW friend to listen to me. It's so sad.

This new information helps me though, the more you know the better the edge you have. Thanks BarbT!
 

sarah

Member
Here is a great way to witness easily and effectively to Jehovah's Witnesses. It gets them off their message track and makes them think:

But first make sure that when you answer the doorbell, you are polite and gentle and that you allow them to to speak their initial piece. Then ask them if you could ask a couple of questions. They will nearly always say yes. Using THEIR Bible (if they don't have a New World Translation with them, ask them to come back with one), open it to John 8:24. Here it will read "Therefore I said to YOU, YOU will die in YOUR sins. For if YOU do not believe that I am [he], YOU will die in YOUR sins.” Ask them if this means it is absolutely crucial to salvation to understand WHO Jesus really is, because if we get this wrong, Jesus says we will die in our sins. They will usually say yes it is important.

Now, Turn to Isaiah 44:6. Their Bible will read: "6 This is what Jehovah has said, the King of Israel and the Repurchaser of him, Jehovah of armies, ‘I am the first and I am the last, and besides me there is no God.'" Get them to agree that this verse in their Bible clearly says that Jehovah is the "first and the last" and there is no God beside Him.

Now go to Revelation 1:7-8. Their Bible will read: "7 Look! He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, and those who pierced him; and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief because of him. Yes, Amen. 8 'I am the Al´pha and the O·me´ga,” says Jehovah God, 'the One who is and who was and who is coming, the Almighty.'” Get their agreement that Jehovah is indeed again in the New Testament saying that He is the "first and the last". Then ask them is it now Jehovah who "is coming in the clouds" and who was "pierced"? If they say yes, then point them to Matthew 24:30, 26:64; Mark 13:26, 14:62. Even in their Bible it clearly says in those verses that it is the "Son of Man" (Jesus) who is "coming in the clouds". So then, Jesus, the "Son of Man", is Jehovah? They will recoil at this and backtrack. But in all likelihood right from the beginning they will say verse 7 of Revelation 1 is speaking of Jesus, while verse 8 is speaking of Jehovah.

OK, then take them to Revelation 22:12-16. In their Bible it will say: "12 ‘Look! I am coming quickly, and the reward I give is with me, to render to each one as his work is. 13 I am the Al´pha and the O·me´ga, the first and the last, the beginning and the end. 14 Happy are those who wash their robes, that the authority [to go] to the trees of life may be theirs and that they may gain entrance into the city by its gates. 15 Outside are the dogs and those who practice spiritism and the fornicators and the murderers and the idolaters and everyone liking and carrying on a lie.’ 16 ‘I, Jesus, sent my angel to bear witness to YOU people of these things for the congregations. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright morning star.’” Point out to them that JESUS is saying He is both "the Alpha and Omega" and "the First and Last". They will likely try to explain this passage away by saying that it is Jehovah speaking in verse 13 and Jesus in the rest of the verses. Do not argue with them. Say OK, but they have to agree that whoever it is that is saying He is both the Alpha and the Omega and the First and the Last is still Jehovah.

Now turn in their New World Translation to Revelation 1:12-16. You will read: "12 'And I [my note: this is John speaking] turned to see the voice that was speaking with me, and, having turned, I saw seven golden lampstands, 13 and in the midst of the lampstands someone like a son of man, clothed with a garment that reached down to the feet, and girded at the breasts with a golden girdle. 14 Moreover, his head and his hair were white as white wool, as snow, and his eyes as a fiery flame; 15 and his feet were like fine copper when glowing in a furnace; and his voice was as the sound of many waters. 16 And he had in his right hand seven stars, and out of his mouth a sharp, long two-edged sword was protruding, and his countenance was as the sun when it shines in its power.'" Ask them who this is that John saw. They HAVE to say Jesus. (If there is any doubt, the context of the entire first three chapters of Revelation makes it clear it is Jesus speaking.)

Now read the next verse, verse 17: "And when I saw him, I fell as dead at his feet.And he laid his right hand upon me and said: 'Do not be fearful. I am the First and the Last.'" Now point out to them that clearly Jesus here is claiming to be the First and the Last. But remind them that in Isaiah we read that Jehovah said He alone is the first and the last ... and then repeats that claim all through the verses we have read in Revelation. So how can Jesus be the first and the last? There can't be two firsts and lasts. Only one can be "first"; and only one can be "last".

Now they will be at a loss here ... but will still somehow be trying to say Jehovah IS the "first and the last". Now ask them one more thing. Read them verse 18, where the One who is first and last continues to speak and says: "'and the living one; and I became dead, but, look! I am living forever and ever, and I have the keys of death and of Ha´des.'" Now ask them "When did Jehovah die?" It clearly says here that the one claiming to be the first and the last died and is now alive again. So when did Jehovah die?

Trust me, this should be enough to totally shake their theology regarding the person of Jesus.

Now remind them of that very first passage they explained to you (John 8:24) where the one (whom they clearly told you was Jesus) said that those who do not believe who He really is, will die in their sins.

You now have the opportunity (presuming they haven't run off by now) to explain John 1:1 and that the contradiction you placed before them can only be removed by recognizing that Jesus and Jehovah are one and the same. You can then offer to do a study with them PROVING that the two are one ... and that the ONE God is eternally self-existent in THREE persons. And if they are really seeking the truth and want to ensure that they do not die in their sins because they are not recognizing who Jesus really is, then you will be willing to share with them the true gospel of Jesus Christ.

Whether they agree to either a) continue, or b) just leave, make SURE you pray with them before they go... asking in the Name of Jesus that the One True Almighty God open their eyes to the truth of the gospel of His salvation and the real identity of Jesus Christ.

___________________________

God bless you, and I pray you can make use of the above very simple (Revelation 1:7-8; Revelation 22:12-16; Revelation 1:12-16, 17, 18) method above.
 

sarah

Member
Just Yesterday

I had Jehovah's witnesses come to my house just yesterday. In the past I would go round and round with them. This time I took advice from something I had read and after letting her talk a bit I asked her if we could pray together and put out both my hands. She was shocked, doubtful, and asked who we would be praying to. I said Jesus. She said that she only prayed to Jehovah through Jesus. So I said, how about to the God of Abraham, through Jesus and she hesitantly agreed. Then I took her hands, praised the God of Abraham for the many blessings he has brought me, and then asked through his Son Jesus Christ, the Messiah to open "our" eyes to the truth of his Word, Amen. She didn't know what to say after that.

I didn't have arguments or scripture ready and felt the best thing was to turn it right over to God. She asked if it would be okay if she came back at some point, and I said sure. The post above using their scripture is really great I will most definitely copy it. I didn't think anything I said would matter, this way she invited God in, I'll let you know if she comes back.
 

Keith Johnson

Well-Known Member
Talking to the Jehovah Witness people


It was Saturday, the day JW's come visiting, and I invited the young couple at the door to come in and we began to talk. The topic of the Trinity soon came up. Unlike prior JW’s who had visited, they were not the least bit antagonistic. I would say they were a very pleasant young couple in their twenties and very open to an honest discussion of the scriptures.
A ICR devotional for March 5 was on 'One God' (see below) which I had just read that morning. They were quite interested when I showed it to them and took a photo of that page with their phone. We talked more and covered the topic of the JW modifying John 1:1 from ‘…was God to ‘…was a god (for grammatical reasons which of course changed the meaning of the verse). Again the statement that Jesus was the only begotten Son of the Father is stated again in John 1:14


Eventually, we came to the topic the ‘New Earth’ and I remembered (actually, the Holy Spirit remembered for me) the March 3rd devotional ‘Living in the Real World’ (Isaiah 65:17) and again they had great interest in this and took a photo of the page with their phone.


It was a little cold outside and the grandmother and their daughter were waiting in the car so they had to go. I left them with 2Cor 3:14-16 since they seemed to be having trouble understanding Bible verses the same as believers do (their NW version has lots of changes). As Jeremy, was leaving he asked me what the bible says about changing scripter. I said I remember something in Rev 22, about whoever adds to the words of this book the plagues written here in will be add to him. He had been in the JW’s since the age of four, and just clinched his jaw when he heard that.


One God

“Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD.” (Deuteronomy 6:4)

This great verse has been recited countless times by Israelites down through the centuries, setting forth their distinctive belief in one great Creator God. The Jews had retained their original belief in creation, handed down from Noah, while the other nations had all allowed their original monotheistic creationism to degenerate into a wide variety of religions, all basically equivalent to the polytheistic evolutionism of the early Sumerians at Babel.

But along with its strong assertion of monotheism, there is also a very real suggestion that this declaration, with its thrice-named subject, is also setting forth the triune God. The name “LORD,” of course, is Yahweh, or Jehovah, the self-existing One who reveals Himself, while “God” is Elohim, the powerful Creator/Ruler. “Jehovah our Elohim is one Jehovah” is the proclamation. A number of respected Jewish commentators have acknowledged that the verse spoke of a “unified oneness” rather than an “absolute oneness.” The revered book called the Zohar, for example, even said that the first mention was of the Father, the second one the Messiah, and the third the Holy Spirit.

The key word “one” (Hebrew achad) is often used to denote unity in diversity. For example, when Eve was united to Adam in marriage, they were said to be “one flesh” (Genesis 2:24). Similarly, on the third day of creation, the waters were “gathered together unto one place,” yet this gathering together was called “Seas” (i.e., more than one sea, Genesis 1:9-10).

Thus, Israel’s great declaration should really be understood as saying, in effect: “The eternally omnipresent Father, also Creator and Sustainer of all things, is our unified self-revealing Lord.” HMM Dr. Henry M. Morris

Living in the real world

“For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.” (Isaiah 65:17)

People often think they are being practical when they place material values ahead of spiritual, emphasizing that we have to “live in the real world.” The fact is, however, that we are not living in the real world at all but in a world that is dying and will soon be gone. “The world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever” (1 John 2:17). This is not even the world that God created, for that world was “very good” (Genesis 1:31). Because “sin entered into the world, and death by sin” (Romans 5:12), therefore, “the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now” (Romans 8:22). In fact, this world is not even as it was soon after God’s curse, for “the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished” (2 Peter 3:6).

The present, post-Flood world is now under the dominion of Satan, who is “the prince of this world” (John 12:31) and of “all the kingdoms of the world” (Matthew 4:8). The Lord Jesus Christ came to “deliver us from this present evil world” (Galatians 1:4). As our text says, this world shall not even “be remembered, nor come into mind.” It “shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God” (Romans 8:21).

Therefore, we must “be not conformed to this world” (Romans 12:2). We must “live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ” (Titus 2:12-13). In the meantime, our true citizenship, if we have been born again in Christ, is in the real world to come, and we are His ambassadors to an alien land (2 Corinthians 5:20). HMM
 
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Holly

New Member
Just Yesterday

I had Jehovah's witnesses come to my house just yesterday. In the past I would go round and round with them. This time I took advice from something I had read and after letting her talk a bit I asked her if we could pray together and put out both my hands. She was shocked, doubtful, and asked who we would be praying to. I said Jesus. She said that she only prayed to Jehovah through Jesus. So I said, how about to the God of Abraham, through Jesus and she hesitantly agreed. Then I took her hands, praised the God of Abraham for the many blessings he has brought me, and then asked through his Son Jesus Christ, the Messiah to open "our" eyes to the truth of his Word, Amen. She didn't know what to say after that.

I didn't have arguments or scripture ready and felt the best thing was to turn it right over to God. She asked if it would be okay if she came back at some point, and I said sure. The post above using their scripture is really great I will most definitely copy it. I didn't think anything I said would matter, this way she invited God in, I'll let you know if she comes back.
When I was a Jehovah's Witness one of the best responses I ever had was from a Christian woman whose incredibly short reply to me stayed with me even to this day. I knocked on her door and when she opened it I went thru my rehearsed introduction, "Hello, I'm Holly, how are you today?" Her reply, "I'm blessed!" I don't remember anything else about that encounter except the glow on her face and her joy filled reply. I knew she had something I did not. It would be a few years before I came to my senses, came to Jesus, and was saved, but during all that time I never forgot her.

So, Merrily, I wanted my first post here to be one of commendation for your witness to her and to let you know from her perspective, you definitely were a blessing to her, just as my unknown woman was to me.
 

Hol

Worships Him
Welcome Holly! I love what you've shared about your coming home to Jesus :hug

I am learning a little more about JW because that's what a neighbor is & I keep praying for her. She used to be a Catholic, and in general is very easily confused. Maybe I can ask you a few questions sometime?

(BTW - That's my name too, but I go by 'Hol' here.)
 

Hol

Worships Him
God

“Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD.” (Deuteronomy 6:4)

This great verse has been recited countless times by Israelites down through the centuries, setting forth their distinctive belief in one great Creator God. The Jews had retained their original belief in creation, handed down from Noah, while the other nations had all allowed their original monotheistic creationism to degenerate into a wide variety of religions, all basically equivalent to the polytheistic evolutionism of the early Sumerians at Babel.

But along with its strong assertion of monotheism, there is also a very real suggestion that this declaration, with its thrice-named subject, is also setting forth the triune God. The name “LORD,” of course, is Yahweh, or Jehovah, the self-existing One who reveals Himself, while “God” is Elohim, the powerful Creator/Ruler. “Jehovah our Elohim is one Jehovah” is the proclamation. A number of respected Jewish commentators have acknowledged that the verse spoke of a “unified oneness” rather than an “absolute oneness.” The revered book called the Zohar, for example, even said that the first mention was of the Father, the second one the Messiah, and the third the Holy Spirit.

The key word “one” (Hebrew achad) is often used to denote unity in diversity. For example, when Eve was united to Adam in marriage, they were said to be “one flesh” (Genesis 2:24). Similarly, on the third day of creation, the waters were “gathered together unto one place,” yet this gathering together was called “Seas” (i.e., more than one sea, Genesis 1:9-10).

Thus, Israel’s great declaration should really be understood as saying, in effect: “The eternally omnipresent Father, also Creator and Sustainer of all things, is our unified self-revealing Lord.” HMM Dr. Henry M. Morris
Wow, my pastor read the SHMAH (sp) Deut. 6 this morning! I'm getting a review.

I love the ICR daily devotion & get it by email.

Thanks for sharing (last April) Keith!
 

Soandso

Active Member
I must admit that 30 + years ago when I worked graveyards they would come to my door and wake me up. I'd get dressed enough to answer the door open the door give them what for for waking me up and tell them to leave. Finally one time I forgot to get dressed. I answered the door on my tidy whiteys. They never came back again. LOL
 

lightofmylife

Blessed Hope-Prepare To Fly!
I can spot Jehovah Witnesses and RLDS people as they are in the neighborhood. I have shared the gospel with both. They have been brainwashed in their church teachings. I never invite them in the house. I step outside and share the gospel with them.
 
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