Gregg Laurie

RestInHim

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I did a search on here about Pastor Gregg Laurie and couldn't find anything. I've read some things online from some discernment ministries and a few years ago I saw that he had Priscilla Shirer at the Church for the ladies.

I ask because this past weekend Pastor Jack Hibbs had Gregg Laurie at his Church. The video is up on Jack's YouTube Channel and I read some concerns from others in the comments section.
 

kathymendel

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I used to listen to Gregg Laurie on the radio in the 90's and into the 2000's. I've attended two of his Harvest Crusades at Anaheim Stadium over the years. And, I visited his church in Orange County once, just before I moved out of that area. I've never heard anything during those times to cause me alarm...........he always seemed to be in tune with God's Word. I have no other knowledge about him..........
 

RestInHim

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I believe I can't share any linked websites that gives information that would help so I will share the name of the website only which is Pulpit and Pen which perhaps some on here are familiar with already. I do realize that the author who writes for the site holds to a Reformed Theology, but, I do believe that the info. on Pastor Gregg Laurie is and could be very important in regards to his associations and his discernment or lack of discernment.

The article is titled Greg Laurie's Continuing Slide Into Apostasy, Sept. 1st, 2016

One thing that is mentioned in the article is an event called "The Gathering", The Gathering is described as a “National Solemn Assembly to unite the Body of Christ in America — all believers, regardless of race, age, or denomination — in prayer for forgiveness, wisdom, and provision for our nation.”

"Many popular names like former Southern Baptist President, Ronnie Floyd, Anne Graham Lotz, daughter of Billy Graham, former ERLC president, Richard Land, the wildly popular Benham Brothers, NAR Apostle Samuel Rodriguez, Word of Faith pastor of Gateway Church, Robert Morris, and other compromisers such as Jack Graham, James Robison, Kay Arthur and Priscilla Shirer….and Greg Laurie. "

"Many popular names like former Southern Baptist President, Ronnie Floyd, Anne Graham Lotz, daughter of Billy Graham, former ERLC president, Richard Land, the wildly popular Benham Brothers, NAR Apostle Samuel Rodriguez, Word of Faith pastor of Gateway Church, Robert Morris, and other compromisers such as Jack Graham, James Robison, Kay Arthur and Priscilla Shirer….and Greg Laurie."

"Greg Laurie has admitted to involving Roman Catholic churches in his crusades. He recently gave the stage to sedevacantist Roman Catholic, Mel Gibson, to promote his upcoming movie. Laurie and his associates at Harvest do not see the damning doctrinal error that the false church of Rome adheres to. With Greg Laurie, it isn’t about sound doctrine and a solid Gospel message that saves–it’s about “filling the stadiums with youth” to “bring about revival.” It’s a numbers game. It’s about “uniting denominations” into a single, watered-down, inoffensive, ear-tickling, man-pleasing entertaining religion of harmonious solidarity. "


I have quoted above some of the article from Pulpit and Pen, I hope that this is o.k. per Forum rules. I do not want to be posting anything to cause any problems that is why I am leaving out the link. Also, I didn't want to get ahead of myself and post this in the Apostasy in the local church Forum.

And, I made a mistake in my original post, I meant to say that Lysa Terkeurst spoke at Gregg Laurie's Church several years ago, it was not Priscilla Shirer. I have not listened to Gregg Laurie's preaching/teaching, only a couple, so I cannot speak for him as a Pastor and what his teaching is like. But, from this and other linked articles, I wonder if he is going in the wrong direction.
 

kathymendel

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I understand your concern about the Catholic Church being involved..........BUT!!!! In what other venue would we as Christians, be able to reach out to their (Catholic) members with the true Gospel message??? Catholics don't go to church events that are not Catholic. Christians don't go to Catholic church events. So, to merge the two, with the goal of the Gospel falling on their ears and in their hearts is pretty hard for me to condemn. Sounds like seed planting in a very needy garden to me. And, I know that many Catholics have received Christ in a personal way at those crusades. I'm sure many others begin to question, too..........
 

RestInHim

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I understand your concern about the Catholic Church being involved..........BUT!!!! In what other venue would we as Christians, be able to reach out to their (Catholic) members with the true Gospel message??? Catholics don't go to church events that are not Catholic. Christians don't go to Catholic church events. So, to merge the two, with the goal of the Gospel falling on their ears and in their hearts is pretty hard for me to condemn. Sounds like seed planting in a very needy garden to me. And, I know that many Catholics have received Christ in a personal way at those crusades. I'm sure many others begin to question, too..........
Good morning Kathy,
I agree that there is a great concern for Catholics to hear the "truth" of the gospel. That is why we are to go out into all the world and preach the gospel. (Matt. 28:19) But, God's word is very clear in what unites all who are true born again believers. I have no problems with Greg Laurie preaching the gospel at His Crusades, but, I do have a problem with his associations with those who are falling away and or who are not preaching the true gospel. He has preached at Steven Furtick's church and has had Lysa Terkeurst at his church.
 

RestInHim

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I have prayed about this concern involving Greg Laurie and believe that my concerns are not invalid in regards to what I know in Scripture and his associations. I am willing to hear from others who might have a better understanding or perspective.
Also, I want to share some info. that I believe is from a good website and will share the link. I know the Forum rules and if I am overstepping them, forgive me and please let me know and remove the link. I am sharing only because I feel that the warning is warranted.

https://www.thebereancall.org/conte...Knjxu2T1dBzRMA2SX0MehVJdmGpNpDOA1lfHazpjgFM2Q


Ecumenism’s widespread and rapid increase, however, can especially be accounted for because of the rise of Christian media, including radio and television programs. Many have adopted the format of secular talk shows, emphasizing the entertainment aspects with little concern for sound doctrine. This has resulted in a tsunami of false teachers, practices, and doctrines.

Following the popularity of the best-selling The Seduction of Christianity, Dave Hunt was invited to speak at the National Religious Broadcasters Convention in the late 1980s. Based upon the organization’s statement of faith, he expected its leadership to be a watchdog of Christian programing, thereby safeguarding biblical orthodoxy. Since that was clearly not taking place, the Lord put it on Dave’s heart to exhort his audience to take personal responsibility for what they allowed to be broadcast on their stations. In his NRB address, he went over what the Scriptures had to say about Hymenaeus and Philetus: “Who concerning the truth have erred...and overthrow the faith of some” (2 Timothy:2:17-18
). He then posed the question, “What if Hymenaeus and Philetus had their own TV or radio show today?” Sadly, the answer is—they do, though under different names and in a myriad of formats. Popular “Christian” talk shows are overthrowing the faith of far more than “some.” Dave’s message apparently did not please his audience or the NRB officials; he was never invited back.

Nearly a decade later, Adrian Rogers brought a similar concern before the NRB after Dave Hunt’s admonishment and exhortation went unheeded. Rogers stated: “It is better to be divided by truth than to be united in error. It is better to speak the truth that hurts, and then heals, than falsehood that comforts and then kills. Let me tell you something, friend, it is not love, and it is not friendship, if we fail to declare the whole counsel of God. It is better to be hated for telling the truth, than to be loved for telling a lie….” The NRB is obviously more concerned about “a multitude” than in standing for “the truth.”


In 2009, the NRB issued a Declaration of Unity, “declar[ing] afresh our long-standing commitment to use every electronic medium available to proclaim the Gospel of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ….[T]aking this opportunity to expressly affirm the faith ‘that was once for all entrusted to the Saints (Jude 3)….It is for us to carefully and accurately represent this message in our culture….We acknowledge that as Christian broadcasters, we bear a special responsibility in this area” (emphasis added).
In its preamble, the document declares, “We…reaffirm this day our devotion to the historic Christian faith and our long-standing commitment….” Really? The “historic Christian faith” has been malformed into “people of faith,” meaning that anything religious or spiritual qualifies—unless, that is, it is critical of another faith. NRB’s “Declaration” is a sham at the very least. But that was written a decade ago. Has anything taken place of late regarding NRB’s “special responsibility” of biblical carefulness and accuracy? No. The “watchdogs” of Christian broadcasting are chasing their own ecumenical tails while hypocritically yapping “Jude 3!” The masthead for the NRB website features the words “Biblical Truth,” yet the ecumenical organization’s events continue to be antithetical to those terms.
The speakers for its upcoming 2019 NRB convention (Proclaim 19) include some big names in evangelical Christianity, while others have more to do with marketing strategies and the entertainment business of Hollywood, which, by the way, has found a lucrative audience in movies that appeal to “people of faith.” For box office success to take place, the “faith” of the people must remain an undefined faith. The headliners are Rick and Kay Warren, GREG LAURIE, John MacArthur, Charles Stanley, Joni Eareckson Tada, Devon Franklin, Alex Kendrick, and Kirk Cameron among others. Regardless of what one thinks about these individuals personally, they have all signed on to support NRB’s alleged “Declaration of Unity… [and] to carefully and accurately represent this message [Jude 3] in our culture….”

Collectively they represent a mixed bag of true and false doctrines, yet they seemingly have no concerns regarding appearing together—which is what ecumenism is all about. The Warrens have promoted one heresy after another, from Celebrate Recovery to occult meditation to mysticism to overtures with Islam, and to insistently supporting Roman Catholicism (see TBC archives for documentation). Greg Laurie, an NRB Hall of Famer, is seemingly oblivious to Warren’s heresies and has joined with him on many occasions, including at his Harvest Crusades. Laurie would seem to be at odds with John MacArthur’s 5-point Calvinism, and MacArthur’s Calvinist/Reformed cessationism would likewise be opposed to Laurie’s and Calvary Chapel’s view of the gifts of the Holy Spirit, which MacArthur has aggressively criticized. Other influential Christian NRB speakers such as Charles Stanley and Joni Eareckson Tada also have differing doctrinal views, with Eareckson Tada lining up with MacArthur’s Calvinism, and Stanley quietly opposed to Reformed theology.
The point of all this is that the NRB Convention strongly conveys the message that doctrinal concern and biblical accuracy are really not critical in view of the overriding need for religious unity. That ecumenical mindset was reflected in the words of Rick Warren when he exhorted a gathering of diverse religious leaders in Davos, Switzerland: “Can’t we all just get along?” From there, he moved quickly to working together with them to solve the world’s problem of “spiritual emptiness” according to Warren’s Global P.E.A.C.E. Plan.
The NRB has also been the chief marketplace for the promotion of Hollywood’s attempts at interpreting the Bible for major theatrical productions. Staunch Roman Catholic James Caviezel spoke at the 2018 NRB Convention. He was the star of The Passion of the Christ (based on the Catholicritual of the Stations of the Cross) and recently Paul, Apostle of Christ, another endeavor by a Hollywood screenwriter to interpret God’s Word. Catholic/New Ager Roma Downey, producer of Son of God and A.D. The Bible Continues for NBC, corrupted the Scriptures in every frame. Nevertheless, she was given the platform to speak at the 2016 NRB Convention (see TBC archives for documentation). Other NRB promotions include “faith-based” movies with serious doctrinal problems such as Heaven Is for Real, produced by T. D. Jakes and Devon Franklin, a popular speaker at NRB (2017, 2019). Franklin is also a motivational speaker and a Seventh-day Adventist who strictly keeps the Sabbath in addition to adhering to other cultic SDA doctrines and practices.
Space limitations of this article restrict me from listing the multitude of other individuals who have contributed to NRB’s rampant ecumenism. There are also numerous organizations that have been celebrated and awarded for their service by the NRB such as Focus on the Family and psychologist Dr. James Dobson’s Family Talk. These, more than any other “Christian” establishments, have led followers of Christ to become followers of “science falsely so called” and “lovers of themselves” (1 Timothy:6:20
; 2 Timothy:3:1-2
). Even a cursory review of Christian radio from the 1970s through today brings to light the ongoing supplanting of biblical programing with so-called Christian psychology.
So what’s to be done to turn back the flood of ecumenism that will culminate in the religion of the Antichrist? Nothing, globally. Nothing, perhaps, even for Christian organizations or ministries, unless a work of the Holy Spirit brings about conviction that leads to repentance. Individually, however? Everything—if we begin with a heart that has a “love of the truth” (2 Thessalonians:2:10
). We exhort you to pray for all believers to that end.
 

RestInHim

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Here are some other resources that I am sharing the link which I believe to be good sites.... There is no date as to when this was written. I just recently found this article and was dissapointed to hear of Pastor Chuck's Smith in here. The next posting also does not have a date and speaks diff. of Pastor Chuck Smith. Nonetheless I believe we should always be praying and aware that it is easy for any of us to fall away.

https://www.lighthousetrailsresearc...x78ukpA9Hj9ufla3Uj-oyrFY9H_Cire7bMMzQuW9EE4WY


LTRP Note: The following guest commentary is not written as a condemnation on the Calvary Chapel movement. On the contrary, the writer attends a Calvary Chapel in Arizona and has written out of concern. Below this commentary is a letter sent to Lighthouse Trails from another Calvary Chapel attendee (this one in Canada) who is commenting on "WOE."
"WOE"
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"...Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy. But there is nothing covered up that will not be revealed, and hidden that will not be known. Accordingly, whatever you have said in the dark shall be heard in the light, and what you have whispered in the inner rooms shall be proclaimed upon the housetops." Luke 12:1-3

The Shift has Begun. The time for secrets and whispered alliances has become publicly known. The object of grievance for many who love Calvary Chapel and all that it once stood for has been affirmed. For all those who were called "Head Hunters, Heresy Sniffers, Contentious, and slanderers" they may now have some level of confirmation that their discernment wasn't wrong, but a true child of God who has the "gift" of discernment takes no pleasure in seeing what was once "the warning" come to pass. Many people who are in the camp that believe Rick Warren is doing a work of God think that all of us are simply fanatic and fearful to "change." No. I accept Change. What I do not accept is heresy, lies, and false teachers. Click here to continue.
A RELATED LETTER FROM A CANADIAN CALVARY CHAPEL CONTRIBUTOR
In regards to the article you linked to called WOE:

Dear Lighthouse Trails,

For days I searched and scanned the internet and couldn't find anything. Whenever I thought about that photo of Pastor Greg, Pastor Chuck, and Rick Warren at the Harvest Crusade together I felt sick. It almost made me lose heart, but nobody seemed to be saying anything about it. Didn't anyone care? Wasn't anyone else confused?

I asked my pastor. He didn't know what to make of it either. There had to be some motive, another side to the story we didn't know. But still, the facts were there. My mind couldn't comprehend it. The very reason we had found our Calvary Chapel church to begin with was because of the stand Chuck Smith had taken against the Purpose Driven movement. We had been so relieved after having to leave our church because of it. We love Calvary Chapel, we have even been to Costa Mesa CC to hear Pastor Chuck Smith speak, we love his commentaries and sermons. But now to see him introduce his 'friend' Rick Warren, after all we'd been through because of Purpose Driven, was just too much.

Finally, the other day, several weeks after the fact, I saw that you had linked to an article call WOE" about this. Finally, someone was saying something. I didn't find that it was overboard, and it didn't jump on the issue as if it was the big scoop on the latest bad news story. Instead, I was reminded that this issue should cause us to be mournful and repentant. It reminded me to pray for our church leaders - because compromise could happen to anyone. Especially after watching that one video of Greg Laurie promoting the National Leadership Worship Conference and saying we all need to learn together - that there's a place for teaching and a place for emotion and expression - well that just opens the door to more compromise. I appreciated the article very much, and the spirit in which it was written.

Then today, I read a very cruel article on the internet that said Lighthouse Trails is stirring up division over non essentials, even though you haven't even commented on this particular issue. The article says that the Harvest Crusade was only a courageous example of these men modeling unity. Yes, there is a way of modeling unity in the name of Jesus and sadly, this was not it. It's great when shepherds swallow their pride for the sake of the spreading of the gospel, but this was not the way to do it. This has only confused the sheep.

I hope that everyone has learned from this. I don't think we need to conclude that Chuck Smith (or Calvary Chapel) is now the enemy, but the sheep certainly have been given a confusing message. Shepherds who are in the spot light have to think about the message they are giving to the whole flock. On a local level, it doesn't really affect my Calvary Chapel, or my personal relationship with the Lord, but it does make me sad. In the bigger picture, the head of the church is not any pastor, but Jesus Christ, and we must keep our eyes fixed on Him.

Thank you for your ministry.

A Calvary Chapel contributor
 
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SPECIAL REPORT: Greg Laurie Connects Purpose Driven to a Move of God - Gives Financial Support
Quick Links:
Greg Laurie Letter to Pastors
Laurie Sponsorship for PDL Event
Contact person at New York City Leadership group: Beverly Cook (Director of Communications)
On May 6th, Greg Laurie, pastor of mega-church Harvest Christian Fellowship wrote a letter to pastors and church leaders in the New York region, announcing his >Harvest Crusade 2008 in New York City on October 19th. This letter to pastors and leaders is causing confusion among some because of its content, and this Lighthouse Trails report will examine this issue.

Greg Laurie is best known as a Calvary Chapel pastor. His church is listed on the Calvary Chapel website, and Laurie often speaks at Calvary Chapel functions. And it is Laurie's connection with Calvary Chapel that presents a great dilemma.

Two years ago, in May of 2006, Calvary Chapel issued a "Parson to Parson" letter, in which a statement was made against the emerging church and contemplative spirituality. The following month, at the 2006 Senior Pastor's Conference, Calvary Chapel founder and pastor, Chuck Smith, told the senior pastors that Calvary Chapel as a whole was rejecting various movements and practices that have been taking place within the Christian church at large as well as in some Calvary Chapel churches. According to a number of pastors in attendance, who afterwards spoke with Lighthouse Trails, Smith asked that those Calvary Chapel pastors who were going in the direction of the emerging church would no longer call themselves Calvary Chapel churches. One week later, Calvary Chapel instructed its distribution center to immediately remove all of Rick Warren's Purpose Driven Life books from its center. The statement read: "The teaching and positions of Rick Warren have come into conflict with us at Calvary Chapel. Pastor Chuck has directed us to discontinue this product effective immediately." 1

Such directives coming from the founder of Calvary Chapel have caused an array of mixed feelings. There are many Calvary Chapel pastors who wholeheartedly support these decisions, such asJohn Higgins in Tempe, Arizona and Jim Jarrett in Redding in California. Both pastors have taken strong stands against contemplative and emerging spiritualities, as have other Calvary Chapel pastors. However, there are some who have ignored Chuck Smith's directives and continued taking their churches toward these beliefs. And still others have been unsure in which direction to go. But one thing is for sure, Chuck Smith is one of the only well-known Christian figures today who has made public declarations against contemplative, emerging, and Purpose Driven. Just last week, at the2008 Senior Pastors Conference, former New Age follower Warren Smith addressed the 800 senior pastors, at Chuck Smith's invitation. Warren Smith is the author of Deceived on Purpose: The New Age Implications of the Purpose Driven Church. This invitation leaves no question that Chuck Smith is still committed to his earlier statements rejecting the Purpose Driven, emerging, and contemplative movements.

And now this brings us to the unpleasant task of reporting that Greg Laurie is giving a strong promotion of Rick Warren and Bill Hybels, which means he is indirectly promoting contemplative and emerging (which we will explain later in this article), and directly promoting Purpose Driven. And unfortunately, there is a twist to this story.

In Laurie's May 2008 letter to pastors and leaders, Laurie talks about his upcoming crusade in New York City, saying, in reference to it, "God is on the move." He then states that "[t]his move is also seen in the formation of the New York City Leadership group. Under their direction, a community-wide 40 Days of Purpose campaign with Pastor Rick Warren has been launched, and the significant services of Bill Hybels' Leadership Summit conferences are also being organized to strengthen the local church."

Because Laurie has publicly connected Purpose Driven to a move of God and calls Willow Creek's conferences "significant," Lighthouse Trails is compelled to issue a warning to the body of Christ. For those who may find this rebuttal too severe, bear in mind that just last month Rick Warren had New Age sympathizer Leonard Sweet speak at his small groups conference. Sweet has stated that small groups are the means in which people can attain to a "christ-consciousness" (a New Age belief). And as for Bill Hybels, this spring Willow Creek featured Brian McLaren at one of their youth conferences. McLaren, who calls the doctrine of hell and the Cross "false advertising for God," is one of the emerging church's most prolific writers and a close associate of Willow Creek. And as Lighthouse Trails has been consistently showing for over five years, both Rick Warren and Bill Hybels are two of the emerging church's most influential proponents, and both heartily promote the mystical contemplative prayer movement (see A Time of Departing, chapter 8). For those who understand the ramifications of the contemplative approach to spirituality this is disconcerting.

In addition to Greg Laurie's letter to pastors regarding Rick Warren and Bill Hybels, Lighthouse Trails has learned that Laurie is also helping to finance Warren's September event in New York. Lighthouse Trails contacted the New York City Leadership group this past week after we learned that Laurie's name was on their website showing him to be a sponsor. The New York City office said that this sponsorship is in the way of financial support and is for Rick Warren's September conference. There are Event Sponsors: Greg Laurie and a legal firm in New York. Without a doubt, Laurie supports Purpose Driven.

And now for the twist: To make a long story short, in 2005 Lighthouse Trails issued a report titled Rick Warren teams up with New Age guru Ken Blanchard. Our report, while fully documented and accurate, brought on a barrage of response from Rick Warren and Saddleback, including a letter from Warren to Lighthouse Trails denying the connection, phone calls and emails from two Saddleback leaders, numerous letters sent out from Saddleback calling Lighthouse Trails evil and liars, and an accusation from Saddleback, saying that Federal agents believed that Lighthouse Trails may have broken into their computer server. In addition, there was an effort to discredit George Mair, a biographer who wrote a testament of praise in his book A Life with Purpose but who inadvertently connected Rick Warren with Ken Blanchard.

All this to say that Rick Warren andKen Blanchard had made plans to work together to implement the global P.E.A.C.E. Plan (read transcript).But since our report and since Warren denied the connection, little has publicly been done between Blanchard and Warren.(1) But that has changed. On the New York City Leadership's National Advisory Team, which incidentally is a brand new organization (according to the phone call we had this week), sits, among others, Rick Warren, Bill Hybels, and Ken Blanchard.(2) We were told that Blanchard's role is to help develop programming for area pastors and leaders. For those who are not familiar with Blanchard's promotion of eastern style mysticism and numerous New Age authors, we encourage you tostudy the matter on our research site, in which we provide solid documentation. Blanchard, who claims to have become a Christian in the mid-eighties, has even up until recently shown a propensity toward mysticism; and his involvement with a process called theHoffman Quadrinity Process (a New Age belief system), leaves no doubt as to where Blanchard stands on these spiritual matters. Of the Hoffman Process, Blanchard says, "The Hoffman Process brings forth spiritual leadership in a person" and "It made my spirituality come alive."2 In a 2007 book titled Little Wave and Old Swell, a book that is "Inspired by Hindu Swami Paramahansa Yogananada," Blanchard has written a glowing foreword!

This report will obviously be disheartening to many Calvary Chapel pastors and church goers who have believed that their movement was going to press forward into the future without these un-biblical movements. Laurie's current promotion and financial backing of Rick Warren will cause many to wonder just which direction the Calvary Chapel movement will really end up going. Roger Oakland, a world-wide evangelist who has ministered to pastors and congregations for over twenty years had this to say about the situation:
While Pastor Chuck Smith has clearly attempted to warn Calvary Chapel pastors about the dangers of the Emerging Church, not all Calvary Chapel pastors are listening and taking his warning seriously. The idea that we need to find methods and practices to reach the postmodern generation by becoming postmodern is dangerous. I am deeply concerned for pastors who are moving in this direction.
It is ironic that on April 21st of this year, WorldNet Daily posted an article written by Greg Laurie titled 'The Emergent Church': A dangerous counterfeit. In the article, Laurie said that as a teen he "had been looking for something to believe in, something worth living or dying for, something that was genuine, real and authentic. But most of all," he said, "I was looking for something that was true." Laurie said he found this truth in Jesus Christ. He added, in referring to the emerging church: "And there are some pied pipers out there who are leading many young people down the wrong road." And then he quotes Brian McLaren. In his article, Laurie correctly identifies the panentheistic overtones of the emerging church, but here lies the irony. While Laurie is right in exposing the false doctrines of Brian McLaren and mystics who say all paths lead to God and God is in all, by his promoting Rick Warren and Bill Hybels, he too is promoting these heresies. Indirectly yes, but nevertheless still promoting them. And this is going to confuse and mislead many people. Maybe it is time Greg Laurie goes full circle and comes back to that place of his youth when he said, "I was looking for something true." He won't find it in contemplative or in the emerging church; and that means he won't find it in Willow Creek or Purpose Driven because both of these movements adhere to contemplative and emerging. It is our prayer that Greg Laurie will remove his financial backing from Rick Warren's New York conference and send out a new letter denouncing what he previously suggested is a move of God.
Notes:1. In the fall of 2007, Rick Warren invited Ken Blanchard back to Saddleback. As far as we know, it was the first time he had been there in over three years.

2. Bob Buford also sits on the board. Read chapter 2 of Faith Undone for documentation on Buford's significant role in launching the emerging church movement.

 

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2009 National Worship Conference Brings Contemplatives, Laurie, and Sweet Together
The 2009 National Worship Leader Conference took place on July 20-23 in Leawood, Kansas and brought together a convergence of contemplative/emerging speakers.

Some will probably wonder though why popular trusted figures like Calvary Chapel's Greg Laurie, 70s Jesus movement singer Evie, and Love Song lead singer, Chuck Girard, were part of the speaking/singing platform too. That's a good question considering the number of speakers at the event who were hearty advocates for the contemplative new spirituality: some of those included Leonard Sweet, Chuck Fromm (founder of the event and of Worship Leader magazine), emerging leader Sally Morgenthaler, Brennan Manning proponent Michael W. Smith, the pro-contemplative David Crowder Band, contemplative/emerging Marva Dawn, Alpha Course leader and contemplative proponent Todd Hunter, and others.

Sally Morgenthaler's pre-conference session was titled "Going deeper into the skills you need to serve your congregation." By "Going deeper," contemplatives mean to enter the silent space that is induced by contemplative prayer practices such as mantra-type meditation. Morgenthaler wrote the foreword for Dan Kimball's emerging church book, Emerging Worship , and she resonates deeply with contemplative proponents like the late Robert Webber. Her own book, Worship Evangelism, carries an endorsement on the cover by New Age sympathizer Leonard Sweet as well as C. Peter Wagner. Morgenthaler is currently a "Visiting Professor" at the very contemplative George Fox University. In her book, Worship Evangelism, she references mystic Henri Nouwen as someone who can lead us into God's presence. Nouwen believed that Christian leaders had to move from the "moral to the mystical" in order to be effective (from In the Name of Jesus).

Another one of the speakers at the worship conference, Leonard Sweet, a New Age sympathizer, teaches that a glorious "New Light" movement is awaiting birth, and New Age leaders and mystics are the inspiration for this movement. Warren Smith discusses Sweet extensively in his new book, A "Wonderful" Deception because of Sweet's ties to Rick Warren and the new spirituality. In Sweet's book, Quantum Spirituality (a manifesto for the new spirituality), he states that the literal reading of the Bible is lethal (p. 140) and that a "christ consciousness" can be obtained in a "small group" setting (p. 148). In a statement by Mike Erre(Death by Church), the emerging pastor who recently spoke at Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa to several thousand youth, Erre referenced Leonard Sweet as someone who would help lead the way for the future of Christianity. 1

Michael W. Smith has most likely sent tens of thousands to the feet of mysticism proponent Brennan Manning through his endorsement of Manning. In light of Manning's spiritual views, that is very troubling. For instance, in Manning's book, Above All (in which Smith wrote the foreword), Manning echoes the words of Thomas Merton biographer and mystic William Shannon when Shannon (and Manning) rejected the idea that a loving God would send His son to a violent death: THAT God does not exist, they both insisted. 2 What's more Manning actually teaches mantra-like meditation is his book, The Signature of Jesus.

David Crowder, also at the conference, is the author of the contemplative-promoting book, Praise Habit (referring to the habits worn by Catholic nuns). In an interview with LifeTeen.com (a web site for Catholic teens), Crowder admits: "Much of the Catholic traditions and writings have been influential in my formation of faith ... I've found much inspiration there." These Catholic traditions referred to are those emulated by monks such as Thomas Merton and Thomas Keating.

The conference offered numerous workshops interspersed with the above speakers' lectures. Just as an example, a workshop taught by Reggie Kidd, professor at Reformed Theological Seminary and on faculty at the very contemplative Robert E. Webber Institute for Worship Studies, included instructions on worshipping through the "Eucharist prayer" and through "chanting the psalms." 3Videos presented at the conference included those by emerging figures Shane Claiborne, Richard Twiss, and others.
Many of our readers may be wondering why Greg Laurie would be speaking at this clearly contemplative/emerging conference. Laurie's head pastor, Chuck Smith, made it very clear a few years ago that Calvary Chapel would NOT be going in the contemplative/emerging direction. But, come to think of it, Chuck Smith also said at that time that Calvary Chapel had to reject the Purpose Driven movement, but on August 9th, according to Greg Laurie's website, he spoke at Saddleback Church at a number of services.

Related:

Greg Laurie Connects Purpose Driven to a Move of God
 

RestInHim

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I have been listening to Pastor Jack Hibbs for several years and believe that he is teaching good sound doctrine. I have heard him over the years mention Greg Laurie's name as well as Pastor Chuck Smith. I do not have any issues with Pastor Greg Laurie, but, I do have serious concerns with his associations and leanings towards ecumenism. I am not saying that Pastor Jack was wrong in having Greg Laurie speak at CCCH last week. Perhaps he is not aware of Greg Laurie's associations and what is going on. But, we know that many Pastor's and Teachers are falling away and we know that God's word says it will happen. To that we need to pray for these Pastors and the church.
 

dreamermind

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I grew up with KWVE and Calvary Chapel in OC. I attended Pastor Chuck Smith Jr’s Church, who fell away many years ago. I always loved Greg Laurie until my experience with his church. My husband and I were homeless and living in our car a few years back and I asked his church for help. We were denied 100% any help or resources. I can’t blame Greg Laurie for that specifically, but it broke my heart after being a loyal Calvary Chapel follower for so many years. There were things I didn’t like that changed after Chuck Smith died. But I still faithfully listen to Jon Courson, David Rosales, and a few others. I think the Harvest festival is a gift from God and am glad to see it still going. I do have some doubts in Pastor Laurie though.
 

Matthew6:33

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There is no such thing as a perfect pastor. Overall, I believe Laurie's doctrine is sound. I was never rubbed the wrong way when I was listening to him. He can be a little light on repentance (I may tend to lean more toward legalism :p) for my taste but who am I? The Lord can still use His instrument to do His work! I would not worry about Laurie. Check out the following:

[Luk 9:49-50 NKJV] 49 Now John answered and said, "Master, we saw someone casting out demons in Your name, and we forbade him because he does not follow with us." 50 But Jesus said to him, "Do not forbid [him], for he who is not against us is on our side."

[Phl 1:15-18 NKJV] 15 Some indeed preach Christ even from envy and strife, and some also from goodwill: 16 The former preach Christ from selfish ambition, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my chains; 17 but the latter out of love, knowing that I am appointed for the defense of the gospel. 18 What then? Only [that] in every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is preached; and in this I rejoice, yes, and will rejoice.

[Luk 11:23 NKJV] 23 "He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters.

[Mat 12:30 NKJV] 30 "He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters abroad.

[1Co 12:3 NKJV] 3 Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit.

My husband and I were homeless and living in our car a few years back and I asked his church for help. We were denied 100% any help or resources.
Dreamer, so sorry that this happened to you :( Chuck Smith is definitely a hard legacy to follow. I pray you are blessed since this trial.
 
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dreamermind

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There is no such thing as a perfect pastor. Overall, I believe Laurie's doctrine is sound. I was never rubbed the wrong way when I was listening to him. He can be a little light on repentance (I may tend to lean more toward legalism :p) for my taste but who am I? The Lord can still use His instrument to do His work! I would not worry about Laurie. Check out the following:

[Luk 9:49-50 NKJV] 49 Now John answered and said, "Master, we saw someone casting out demons in Your name, and we forbade him because he does not follow with us." 50 But Jesus said to him, "Do not forbid [him], for he who is not against us is on our side."

[Phl 1:15-18 NKJV] 15 Some indeed preach Christ even from envy and strife, and some also from goodwill: 16 The former preach Christ from selfish ambition, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my chains; 17 but the latter out of love, knowing that I am appointed for the defense of the gospel. 18 What then? Only [that] in every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is preached; and in this I rejoice, yes, and will rejoice.

[Luk 11:23 NKJV] 23 "He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters.

[Mat 12:30 NKJV] 30 "He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters abroad.

[1Co 12:3 NKJV] 3 Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit.



Dreamer, so sorry that this happened to you :( Chuck Smith is definitely a hard legacy to follow. I pray you are blessed since this trial.
Dreamer, so sorry that this happened to you :( Chuck Smith is definitely a hard legacy to follow. I pray you are blessed since this trial.
Thank you. We are blessed now after many trials. Thank Jesus!
 
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