Gog-Magog invasion timing

katt

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No, the AC will not uproot China..Revelation says The Kings Of The East will rise and cross the Euphrates to invade the middle east...with a 2,000,000 man Army which China has had since the 70's, The AC will hear disturbing news out of the east and the north...

Daniel 11:44:
tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.

Revelation 16:12, KJV: "And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared."


I have always been of the impression that this happens during the second half of the tribulation..but will he actually take out The Kings Of The East?

I don't think so..I believe this is the beginning of Armageddon..and life as the people of that time know it will be just about over..
 

athenasius

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Sorry @athenasius....it seems whenever I want to delve into more complicated subjects (which you seem to inspire for me) my life gets complicated again. So, I consider the Isaiah 17 question as a continuing placeholder for consideration. My particular hobby horse focus has been on resolution of tension between Russia and Turkey, which I see is lately inflamed again. I can't help but suspect that this plays a key role in the Damascus puzzle. It's more-or-less easy to imagine that Israel would feel compelled to respond to aggression that they might trace to Syria, but I can't quite imagine Syria acting out without the backing of Russia and some measure of stability in their various side-conflicts. Your thoughts are always appreciated.
I was just noticing an update from an Israeli that I watch who mentioned a number of reasons why Turkey would be cozying up together now. Some of which we've already covered, the tension between Turkey and the US over the sale of the fighter jets, but a number of things including Biden pointing out that Turkey committed genocide against the Armenians. And the imploding Turkish economy alongside their currency crisis.

Syria I'm puzzling about.

I think part of that key in the Syria-Turkey-Russia axis is Iran. They love a good proxy war when others fight and die instead of them and they are getting mightily ticked off at Israel right now. Biden has told Israel to shut up about the nuclear threat and let him and Kerry etc handle that via the reopening of the JCPOA but Israel is dealing with multiple threats right now from Gaza as well as Iran. Israel is in a delicate position with their leadership in question till the election is sorted out (or as I suspect they go for another one)
 

athenasius

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I wonder how he would uproot and destroy China.
Russia and the USA seem to be going in that direction but China???
China interests me. Firstly because they aren't mentioned except thru the broader "kings of the east" which imply a coalition, NOT a strictly Chinese led invasion and I agree that is later in Revelation.

Where they sit in relation to Ezek 38 is unknown in prophecy.

Here's a couple of things that rattle around in my head when I look at China though.

They are rivals of Russia for world domination. (if you ever saw the cartoon Pinky and the Brain, the theme of world domination will give a chuckle)

SOOOOO

That means to me that somehow, in someway they don't interfere with the Russian Turkish Iranian invasion listed in Ezek 38.

But contrary to the doom and gloom prophecy buffs who are ALWAYS predicting America's destruction I think America IS present as one of the cubs/daughters of Tarshish.

There are 2 main contenders for Tarshish-- one being Spain (if that is true then America, Spain and South America will launch that all important question to Russia --have you come for spoil?.

The other is Britain (and for reasons of that fact they fulfilled a prophecy of Isaiah with ships bringing survivors of the Holocaust to Israel I think it IS Britain).
and either way, America IS THERE just along with Britain, Australia, New Zealand and Canada which would be a likely grouping of Tarshish and her cubs/daughters if Britain is the winner of the Tarshish prize of Ezek 38.

SOOOOO
that means
America is around in a weakened state (just like right now under Biden if you ask me) or if the Lord tarries and this takes a while yet for Ezek 38 to play out then some future president that the Dems manage to put into place which seems likely.

BBBUUUUTTTTT and it's a big big BUTT
China isn't.

They are either too weak to try and challenge Russia for control of Israel (which they WANT -- plenty of news articles on their Belt and Road project and of their buy up of Israeli ports (similar to what they've done in the Panama)

OR

something happened to take them out of the equation for now. I think there are 2 things that could happen-- Mt Paektu which straddles the North Korean and Chinese border is a MASSIVE super volcano system that is sort of like Yellowstone in the Pacific North West area. Then there is the 5 Gorges dam which has some serious engineering defects that last years floods threatened to take out. That would gut China for quite a while. Either one.
 

cavalier973

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China interests me. Firstly because they aren't mentioned except thru the broader "kings of the east" which imply a coalition, NOT a strictly Chinese led invasion and I agree that is later in Revelation.

Where they sit in relation to Ezek 38 is unknown in prophecy.

Here's a couple of things that rattle around in my head when I look at China though.

They are rivals of Russia for world domination. (if you ever saw the cartoon Pinky and the Brain, the theme of world domination will give a chuckle)

SOOOOO

That means to me that somehow, in someway they don't interfere with the Russian Turkish Iranian invasion listed in Ezek 38.

But contrary to the doom and gloom prophecy buffs who are ALWAYS predicting America's destruction I think America IS present as one of the cubs/daughters of Tarshish.

There are 2 main contenders for Tarshish-- one being Spain (if that is true then America, Spain and South America will launch that all important question to Russia --have you come for spoil?.

The other is Britain (and for reasons of that fact they fulfilled a prophecy of Isaiah with ships bringing survivors of the Holocaust to Israel I think it IS Britain).
and either way, America IS THERE just along with Britain, Australia, New Zealand and Canada which would be a likely grouping of Tarshish and her cubs/daughters if Britain is the winner of the Tarshish prize of Ezek 38.

SOOOOO
that means
America is around in a weakened state (just like right now under Biden if you ask me) or if the Lord tarries and this takes a while yet for Ezek 38 to play out then some future president that the Dems manage to put into place which seems likely.

BBBUUUUTTTTT and it's a big big BUTT
China isn't.

They are either too weak to try and challenge Russia for control of Israel (which they WANT -- plenty of news articles on their Belt and Road project and of their buy up of Israeli ports (similar to what they've done in the Panama)

OR

something happened to take them out of the equation for now. I think there are 2 things that could happen-- Mt Paektu which straddles the North Korean and Chinese border is a MASSIVE super volcano system that is sort of like Yellowstone in the Pacific North West area. Then there is the 5 Gorges dam which has some serious engineering defects that last years floods threatened to take out. That would gut China for quite a while. Either one.
Could be another Coronavirus.


The volcano idea appeals to me, though; Yellowstone Park in Wyoming sits atop a supervolcano. What if all the volcanos pop off at the same time?

China isn't, as I understand it, a monolithic culture. There are numerous peoples that we call "Chinese" who cant even understand each others' languages. The communist government that holds the nation together could lose power for some reason, and China could split into multiple, competing states.
 

cavalier973

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Wow. This thread started a year ago. Very helpful input from everyone. And, to answer a question posted last year, I do not mind, at all, if people go off-topic, because getting the timeline of different events does,relate to the main topic.

Ironically, the guy whose views concerning the timing of the Gog/Magog invasion that prompted my original question has a series of lectures on Revelation that I am listening to (again).

He has a very grimdark view of the Tribulation. All the stuff in "Left Behind" about cell phones and jet planes still working? He scoffs at that. The idea that a group of believers start a resistance movement? He scorns it.

He believes that the sounding of the first and second trumpet represent the obliteration of North and South America, which represent about a third of the earth's land mass. He argues that the livable space on earth is slowly reduced to the Land of Israel, the area around Babylon, and the area in-between. His descriptions help one understand that there will be no way to survive the Tribulation apart from God's decree. All the stuff about building your Tribulation Bunker, and storing up freeze dried foods, and having jugs of potable water (seven years' worth!) so that one can live through the Tribulation is silly.

To the original question: as I recall*, He identifies the Gog-Magog invasion with the "Camp of the Saints" battle because, he reasons, they are using wooden weapons. After all, the Israelites burn the weapons for seven years, so they must be wooden, right? Therefore, since (he argues) there will be no technology during the Thousand-year Kingdom, amd since there will be no war during that time, the aggressors in the Rev20 battle have to do what they can with what they have, which is to make weapons out of wood. Or, something like that. Also, the Revelation 20 battle mentions Gog and Magog, so...yeah.

But, as sawas pointed out a year ago, the Ezekiel 38 invasion comes from specific regions, while the Rev20 battle involves people from the "four corners of the earth". One can only massage that last detail so much before it starts cramping up.


*I am not really interested in listening to his Ezekiel lectures again to verify, evem though I will relisten to his Revelation lectures, which I like. There were a few things about his Ezekiel lectures besides his incorrect timing of the Gog/Magog war that bothered me.

Some examples:
*He taught that our Lord Jesus sits in the Holy of Holies of the temple for a thousand years, never leaving, even to stretch His legs. That is weird.
*He is often vague about what group he is speaking of, but it *sounded* like he believes that we, as Church-Age believers who have been raptured (he does teach a pretrib rapture of the Church) still live on the earth, being farmers. Again, he may not mean the Church Age believers, and is only referencing those mortal survivers of the Tribulation and their descendants, but he uses "you" a lot ("You will spend the thousand years farming"), which is vague and confusing.
*He seems to think that Christians can lose their reward gained at the Bema seat, which contradicts what our Lord Jesus stated--that our treasure in heaven cannot be lost to thieves or decay.
*He is Calvinist--perhaps even of the "hyper" variety.

So, why do I listen to him?
Guilty pleasure? Maybe?

I listen to a lot of Bible teachers that I don't agree with. I consider Dr. Andy Woods one of the soundest Bible teachers/preachers in the ministry today, and yet I find some of what he says exasperating.

The late, great Chuck Missler really started my journey into in-depth Bible study, and I, (like Robert Downey, Jr. (!)) love that guy. I vehemently disagree with some of his teachings, which I think are actually dangerous. The good thing about Missler is that he will often tell you to not take what he says at face value, but to check it out in the Scriptures. I find him very humble, even when he is being dogmatic.

Anyway, thanks for all the repsonses, and keep them coming! Even after we hear the Trumpet, and a voice calling us to "Come up here!", maybe those who unfortunately didnt believe until after we've been raptured will find this thread, and it will help them noodle out what is going on.
 

sawas

Well-Known Member
I was just noticing an update from an Israeli that I watch who mentioned a number of reasons why Turkey would be cozying up together now. Some of which we've already covered, the tension between Turkey and the US over the sale of the fighter jets, but a number of things including Biden pointing out that Turkey committed genocide against the Armenians. And the imploding Turkish economy alongside their currency crisis.

Syria I'm puzzling about.

I think part of that key in the Syria-Turkey-Russia axis is Iran. They love a good proxy war when others fight and die instead of them and they are getting mightily ticked off at Israel right now. Biden has told Israel to shut up about the nuclear threat and let him and Kerry etc handle that via the reopening of the JCPOA but Israel is dealing with multiple threats right now from Gaza as well as Iran. Israel is in a delicate position with their leadership in question till the election is sorted out (or as I suspect they go for another one)
Me too. I agree with you that Syria (the geographic region, if not the government) is a real linchpin here that could trigger the rest. The heightened international focus in the region keeps my eyes on it, of course. It's hard not to imagine it as a something like sick calf with various predators picking at the soft bits before it's dead. I agree too with the notion that Iran is a definite wild card (or loose cannon) to watch. They could easily cross a line that would inspire more dramatic responses from Israel...but for that to occur against Damascus, specifically, I'd imagine that Assad would have to do something spectacularly stoooooopid. (I'm sure he's capable of that.) I thought that Israel's recent (February?) missile attacks on the outskirts of the city signified their willingness to engage directly. For the city itself, to be a target I'd have to imagine it would have to involve more serious staging of international troops...just a guess.
 

sawas

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Wow. This thread started a year ago. Very helpful input from everyone. And, to answer a question posted last year, I do not mind, at all, if people go off-topic, because getting the timeline of different events does,relate to the main topic.

Ironically, the guy whose views concerning the timing of the Gog/Magog invasion that prompted my original question has a series of lectures on Revelation that I am listening to (again).

He has a very grimdark view of the Tribulation. All the stuff in "Left Behind" about cell phones and jet planes still working? He scoffs at that. The idea that a group of believers start a resistance movement? He scorns it.

He believes that the sounding of the first and second trumpet represent the obliteration of North and South America, which represent about a third of the earth's land mass. He argues that the livable space on earth is slowly reduced to the Land of Israel, the area around Babylon, and the area in-between. His descriptions help one understand that there will be no way to survive the Tribulation apart from God's decree. All the stuff about building your Tribulation Bunker, and storing up freeze dried foods, and having jugs of potable water (seven years' worth!) so that one can live through the Tribulation is silly.

To the original question: as I recall*, He identifies the Gog-Magog invasion with the "Camp of the Saints" battle because, he reasons, they are using wooden weapons. After all, the Israelites burn the weapons for seven years, so they must be wooden, right? Therefore, since (he argues) there will be no technology during the Thousand-year Kingdom, amd since there will be no war during that time, the aggressors in the Rev20 battle have to do what they can with what they have, which is to make weapons out of wood. Or, something like that. Also, the Revelation 20 battle mentions Gog and Magog, so...yeah.

But, as sawas pointed out a year ago, the Ezekiel 38 invasion comes from specific regions, while the Rev20 battle involves people from the "four corners of the earth". One can only massage that last detail so much before it starts cramping up.


*I am not really interested in listening to his Ezekiel lectures again to verify, evem though I will relisten to his Revelation lectures, which I like. There were a few things about his Ezekiel lectures besides his incorrect timing of the Gog/Magog war that bothered me.

Some examples:
*He taught that our Lord Jesus sits in the Holy of Holies of the temple for a thousand years, never leaving, even to stretch His legs. That is weird.
*He is often vague about what group he is speaking of, but it *sounded* like he believes that we, as Church-Age believers who have been raptured (he does teach a pretrib rapture of the Church) still live on the earth, being farmers. Again, he may not mean the Church Age believers, and is only referencing those mortal survivers of the Tribulation and their descendants, but he uses "you" a lot ("You will spend the thousand years farming"), which is vague and confusing.
*He seems to think that Christians can lose their reward gained at the Bema seat, which contradicts what our Lord Jesus stated--that our treasure in heaven cannot be lost to thieves or decay.
*He is Calvinist--perhaps even of the "hyper" variety.

So, why do I listen to him?
Guilty pleasure? Maybe?

I listen to a lot of Bible teachers that I don't agree with. I consider Dr. Andy Woods one of the soundest Bible teachers/preachers in the ministry today, and yet I find some of what he says exasperating.

The late, great Chuck Missler really started my journey into in-depth Bible study, and I, (like Robert Downey, Jr. (!)) love that guy. I vehemently disagree with some of his teachings, which I think are actually dangerous. The good thing about Missler is that he will often tell you to not take what he says at face value, but to check it out in the Scriptures. I find him very humble, even when he is being dogmatic.

Anyway, thanks for all the repsonses, and keep them coming! Even after we hear the Trumpet, and a voice calling us to "Come up here!", maybe those who unfortunately didnt believe until after we've been raptured will find this thread, and it will help them noodle out what is going on.
Interesting, the roads some take...glad you started the thread, it's been good for me as well.
 

katt

Well-Known Member
I try to check in with the Jerusalem Post regularly (once a week or so). There used to others I'd look at, but increasingly paywalls have limited their use to me.
Thank You..I watch Jerusalem Dateline on Daystar..but it's only on once a week, and only for I think 30 minutes, if they're on longer there are very long infomercials on in between segments..so I tape it on the DVR and fast forward..
 

newtofaith

Well-Known Member
Wow. This thread started a year ago. Very helpful input from everyone. And, to answer a question posted last year, I do not mind, at all, if people go off-topic, because getting the timeline of different events does,relate to the main topic.

Ironically, the guy whose views concerning the timing of the Gog/Magog invasion that prompted my original question has a series of lectures on Revelation that I am listening to (again).

He has a very grimdark view of the Tribulation. All the stuff in "Left Behind" about cell phones and jet planes still working? He scoffs at that. The idea that a group of believers start a resistance movement? He scorns it.

He believes that the sounding of the first and second trumpet represent the obliteration of North and South America, which represent about a third of the earth's land mass. He argues that the livable space on earth is slowly reduced to the Land of Israel, the area around Babylon, and the area in-between. His descriptions help one understand that there will be no way to survive the Tribulation apart from God's decree. All the stuff about building your Tribulation Bunker, and storing up freeze dried foods, and having jugs of potable water (seven years' worth!) so that one can live through the Tribulation is silly.

To the original question: as I recall*, He identifies the Gog-Magog invasion with the "Camp of the Saints" battle because, he reasons, they are using wooden weapons. After all, the Israelites burn the weapons for seven years, so they must be wooden, right? Therefore, since (he argues) there will be no technology during the Thousand-year Kingdom, amd since there will be no war during that time, the aggressors in the Rev20 battle have to do what they can with what they have, which is to make weapons out of wood. Or, something like that. Also, the Revelation 20 battle mentions Gog and Magog, so...yeah.

But, as sawas pointed out a year ago, the Ezekiel 38 invasion comes from specific regions, while the Rev20 battle involves people from the "four corners of the earth". One can only massage that last detail so much before it starts cramping up.


*I am not really interested in listening to his Ezekiel lectures again to verify, evem though I will relisten to his Revelation lectures, which I like. There were a few things about his Ezekiel lectures besides his incorrect timing of the Gog/Magog war that bothered me.

Some examples:
*He taught that our Lord Jesus sits in the Holy of Holies of the temple for a thousand years, never leaving, even to stretch His legs. That is weird.
*He is often vague about what group he is speaking of, but it *sounded* like he believes that we, as Church-Age believers who have been raptured (he does teach a pretrib rapture of the Church) still live on the earth, being farmers. Again, he may not mean the Church Age believers, and is only referencing those mortal survivers of the Tribulation and their descendants, but he uses "you" a lot ("You will spend the thousand years farming"), which is vague and confusing.
*He seems to think that Christians can lose their reward gained at the Bema seat, which contradicts what our Lord Jesus stated--that our treasure in heaven cannot be lost to thieves or decay.
*He is Calvinist--perhaps even of the "hyper" variety.

So, why do I listen to him?
Guilty pleasure? Maybe?

I listen to a lot of Bible teachers that I don't agree with. I consider Dr. Andy Woods one of the soundest Bible teachers/preachers in the ministry today, and yet I find some of what he says exasperating.

The late, great Chuck Missler really started my journey into in-depth Bible study, and I, (like Robert Downey, Jr. (!)) love that guy. I vehemently disagree with some of his teachings, which I think are actually dangerous. The good thing about Missler is that he will often tell you to not take what he says at face value, but to check it out in the Scriptures. I find him very humble, even when he is being dogmatic.

Anyway, thanks for all the repsonses, and keep them coming! Even after we hear the Trumpet, and a voice calling us to "Come up here!", maybe those who unfortunately didnt believe until after we've been raptured will find this thread, and it will help them noodle out what is going on.
Anything, in particular, that you find exasperating about Andy Woods? I am beginning to listen to him and I would love to know what you find 'concerning' about his teachings. I love listening to him although I do tend to find myself dozing off to his voice. He's a natural sleeping tablet which is fantastic.
 

daygo

Well-Known Member
Anything, in particular, that you find exasperating about Andy Woods? I am beginning to listen to him and I would love to know what you find 'concerning' about his teachings. I love listening to him although I do tend to find myself dozing off to his voice. He's a natural sleeping tablet which is fantastic.
Know what you mean, Nathan Morris worship leader used to do the worship before his sermon, myself and the wife used to doze off listening to the worship singing.
 

cavalier973

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Anything, in particular, that you find exasperating about Andy Woods? I am beginning to listen to him and I would love to know what you find 'concerning' about his teachings. I love listening to him although I do tend to find myself dozing off to his voice. He's a natural sleeping tablet which is fantastic.
Not concerning, necessarily. I don't charge him with false teaching, at all; but failure sometimes in being consistent.

The primary example I am thinking of is his sermon/lecture series on Revelation. He states early in the series that when you see a number recorded, then you take the number literally. When the letter to the church at Smyrna mentions that they will have tribulation for ten days, then it means ten days, not ten years or the reigns of ten Caesars, or the like. When it says that the Kingdom lasts for a thousand years, then it means a literal thousand years--it isn't a symbolic number meaning a very long time.

That's sound, and I agree. But, when he talks about the sealing of the 144,000, and notes that the Tribe of Dan isn't mentioned, he says that it isn't because Dan isn't sealed along with the others, but because John wants to keep it neat and clean with twelve tribes, because that is the idiom throughout the Bible--the "Twelve Tribes of Israel".

Which means that either the 144,000 number isnt literal--it is actually 156,000 Jews that are sealed; or, the "12,000 from each tribe" isnt literal, and there are less than 12,000 from each tribe sealed, with a portion of each tribe mentioned being actually members from the Tribe of Dan.
 

Lynn

Longing for Home
But, when he talks about the sealing of the 144,000, and notes that the Tribe of Dan isn't mentioned, he says that it isn't because Dan isn't sealed along with the others, but because John wants to keep it neat and clean with twelve tribes, because that is the idiom throughout the Bible--the "Twelve Tribes of Israel".
Cavalier, Andy is a very personable man, and if you email him at his Facebook page, Andy Woods Ministries, he will very likely explain what he was saying in this teaching.
 

Hidden

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China interests me. Firstly because they aren't mentioned except thru the broader "kings of the east" which imply a coalition, NOT a strictly Chinese led invasion and I agree that is later in Revelation.

Where they sit in relation to Ezek 38 is unknown in prophecy.

Here's a couple of things that rattle around in my head when I look at China though.

They are rivals of Russia for world domination. (if you ever saw the cartoon Pinky and the Brain, the theme of world domination will give a chuckle)

SOOOOO

That means to me that somehow, in someway they don't interfere with the Russian Turkish Iranian invasion listed in Ezek 38.

But contrary to the doom and gloom prophecy buffs who are ALWAYS predicting America's destruction I think America IS present as one of the cubs/daughters of Tarshish.

There are 2 main contenders for Tarshish-- one being Spain (if that is true then America, Spain and South America will launch that all important question to Russia --have you come for spoil?.

The other is Britain (and for reasons of that fact they fulfilled a prophecy of Isaiah with ships bringing survivors of the Holocaust to Israel I think it IS Britain).
and either way, America IS THERE just along with Britain, Australia, New Zealand and Canada which would be a likely grouping of Tarshish and her cubs/daughters if Britain is the winner of the Tarshish prize of Ezek 38.

SOOOOO
that means
America is around in a weakened state (just like right now under Biden if you ask me) or if the Lord tarries and this takes a while yet for Ezek 38 to play out then some future president that the Dems manage to put into place which seems likely.

BBBUUUUTTTTT and it's a big big BUTT
China isn't.

They are either too weak to try and challenge Russia for control of Israel (which they WANT -- plenty of news articles on their Belt and Road project and of their buy up of Israeli ports (similar to what they've done in the Panama)

OR

something happened to take them out of the equation for now. I think there are 2 things that could happen-- Mt Paektu which straddles the North Korean and Chinese border is a MASSIVE super volcano system that is sort of like Yellowstone in the Pacific North West area. Then there is the 5 Gorges dam which has some serious engineering defects that last years floods threatened to take out. That would gut China for quite a while. Either one.

China is an oddball. When I discuss prophecy with people I know they usually respond with, "What about China?"

Your theory is interesting for sure. A volcanic eruption...hmm, plausible.

Because right now it's kind of difficult to picture the AC subjugating China without some massive carnage. Another possibility is that the AC putting down 3 kings could be part of the second seal, which is basically WWIII, or WWIV, if you consider the Ezekiel scenario as WWIII.
 

athenasius

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It's just interesting that if China WERE to survive the Ezek 38 elimination of Russia, Iran, Turkey and the muslim world in general, CHINA would be the strongest leading nation, NOT the EU or even America.

They would rush into that power vacuum to fill it. It would be their dream situation.

BUT

the BIBLE doesn't mention them, and the AC comes from the people who destroyed the Temple according to Daniel, which is ROME.

SO

if China ISN'T in the way of the EU rising to global power as the prophecies indicate

THEN

China has to have something happen between now and then to take them out so that the AC CAN rise from the former Roman Empire. PLUS the seat of power for the AC is the rebuilt Babylon (or Rome depending on how you see it).

Because America (a daughter of either Spain or England so either Tarshish candidate works) is still around to protest in Ezek 38

THAT MEANS THAT America survives (in a weakened state) but China is not even considered as a force to be reckoned with till AFTER the mid point of the Trib IF they are part of the Kings of the East.
 

katt

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You know, I never thought about The Rapture taking out many Chinese citizens..I believe that is over half of the Chinese population..and if a natural disaster takes out half of what's left, China which already has a shortage of females, just may find in population all they have left is that million man army, causing them to unite all of Asia and head towards the ME where they have more than their share of females, by way of the Euphrates, thus fulfilling the Revelation Prophecy...
 

Andiamo

"Let's go!"
So could the recent ramping up of attacks in Israel facilitate Ezekiel 38? At the risk of sounding really dumb, I used to think neither had to do with the other, but now I'm wondering if these events could be the FUSE because of Iran's relationship to Hezbollah and Hamas. (A fuse at least where Iran is concerned...I realize it starts with a hook in Gog, not by a fuse)
 

athenasius

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So could the recent ramping up of attacks in Israel facilitate Ezekiel 38? At the risk of sounding really dumb, I used to think neither had to do with the other, but now I'm wondering if these events could be the FUSE because of Iran's relationship to Hezbollah and Hamas. (A fuse at least where Iran is concerned...I realize it starts with a hook in Gog, not by a fuse)
Absolutely YES this will someday light the fuse where Iran is concerned, and that could have implications for the Damascus destruction as the start of the chain of events leading to Ezek 38.

Here's how I get there.

Iran is present in Lebanon thru Hezbollah
Iran is present in Syria (they were chummy with Assad long before the Russians joined the party in Syria, and they are busy little beavers always building arms depots and training centres that Israel routinely bombs -- all over Syria but especially around Damascus and also in the Golan Heights.
(They are pretty much in control of large areas of Iraq as well)
Iran is funding Hamas in the Gaza via Qatar and helps out with terrorist groups in the so called West Bank.

Iran is coming in from all directions at Israel and has lately been trying use things like that oil spill or attacks on Israeli shipping as well.

Think of it as a pincer movement. They want to come at Israel from the North via the Golan Heights, the north west from Lebanon, the west and south from Gaza, the east from the "west bank" and at the same time Iran is also doing the same pincer movement to attack Saudi Arabia so they can take over Mecca and Medina and control Islam world wide thru access to those holy sites of Islam. That is why the Houthi's.

Iran has been working on this project for decades and it's part of their slow invasion of the areas around Israel. Where possible Iran tries to use proxies (Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis) so that their own blood isn't spilled and also so that they have plausible deniability for blind and foolish American presidents such as Obama and Biden.

As I've said in other threads, I am convinced this present uproar in Gaza has Iran's fingerprints all over it.

It is NOT a coincidence that as Biden is lifting sanctions, and easing things up for Iran that they are doubling down on their Satanicly inspired attacks on Israel.

What may happen is that Iran will fire up all their proxy fighters to weaken Israel (in their thinking) for a final push to take over Jerusalem. This has long been their goal and it's why they named their elite fighters the Jerusalem force in Persian. I forget the name, but it's to do with Jerusalem.

This has been in the works with the mullahs of Iran ever since President Carter pretty much sold out the Shah of Iran and encouraged the takeover (and the American hostages were collateral for his lack of understanding).

Getting back to Damascus which I think is the fuse for Ezek 38. Remember the WMD's that were in Iraq? Well before it fell, Saddam Hussein sent most of them to Syria for Assad to take care of. According to various intelligence reports over the years many of them are still buried in and around Damascus.

They include chemical, biological and other weapons of mass destruction.

Damascus is literally sitting on a powder keg, and the unfortunate side effect of their secret stash of WMDs is that Israel or anyone could accidentally set them off, not being aware of what they are bombing at any given moment. Other than what they think are the usual targets.

The final point is this.

GOD

has that final say about when the whole thing blows up. Not Iran, not Israel, nor Russia, nor Hamas. Nor their puppet master Satan.

This what we see right now is setting things up.

Like previous uproars and uprisings it may calm back down.

I don't know how many times I've watched and figured it would start and it doesn't.

That is because God stops the enemy from doing what he wants to do (if he can kill off the Jews in Israel, he can prove the Bible and God's prophecies to the Jews wrong) EVERY SINGLE TIME

till the day comes when God allows it to continue.
 
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