mikhen7
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LOL. Jack Hibbs does not know me from Adam! But I could send him an email...he may respond.
Gog-Magog invasion timing
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DanLMP
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Cash in your Pastor card along with your Author card and I bet he'll respond.
I have heard Jack comment and suggest in the past that he is on Trump's religious advisory board and that he has "contacts" in the WH admin.
mikhen7
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I have tried to contact him. Will see if he responds. 
athenasius
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I'd think President Trump would have a lot of different voices in the room when he is taking advice.
I keep thinking of that passage about how God turns the matters of the king like streams of water in His hands.
Proverbs 21:1 King James Version (KJV)
21 The king's heart is in the hand of the Lord, as the rivers of water: he turneth it whithersoever he will.
And I think we are at such a point in history, where so many different chess pieces are in play around the world both in the Middle East and looking at how the globalist empire is shaping up to take control that individuals like Trump are being given choices, but with God's foreknowledge, those choices are already known to God and accounted for.
Long way of saying if God wants Trump to do something he will, but if the time is so short, that MAGA isn't going to be a concern (as in not enough time, the heart of the majority is turned aside from God) then God will direct him in ways that will allow things to blossom, even things like the coming Gog Magog war.
I was noticing there is friction between Russia and the US over in the north and eastern side of Syria, in the Kurdish areas (oil rich) and I remember the prophecies about the Medes destroying Babylon in the Tribulation. Russia is moving in. America is helping the Kurds keep their edge with oil and their areas. But not forever.
I also noted that Trump wants to drop the US forces stationed in Germany which has implications for NATO as well as the ongoing Syrian conflict area.
I keep thinking of that passage about how God turns the matters of the king like streams of water in His hands.
Proverbs 21:1 King James Version (KJV)
21 The king's heart is in the hand of the Lord, as the rivers of water: he turneth it whithersoever he will.
And I think we are at such a point in history, where so many different chess pieces are in play around the world both in the Middle East and looking at how the globalist empire is shaping up to take control that individuals like Trump are being given choices, but with God's foreknowledge, those choices are already known to God and accounted for.
Long way of saying if God wants Trump to do something he will, but if the time is so short, that MAGA isn't going to be a concern (as in not enough time, the heart of the majority is turned aside from God) then God will direct him in ways that will allow things to blossom, even things like the coming Gog Magog war.
I was noticing there is friction between Russia and the US over in the north and eastern side of Syria, in the Kurdish areas (oil rich) and I remember the prophecies about the Medes destroying Babylon in the Tribulation. Russia is moving in. America is helping the Kurds keep their edge with oil and their areas. But not forever.
I also noted that Trump wants to drop the US forces stationed in Germany which has implications for NATO as well as the ongoing Syrian conflict area.
mikhen7
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On the counselors, yes, I sure do hope so. The Bible tells us wisdom is found by those who have counselors.
Pr 11:14 Where there is no counsel, the people fall; But in the multitude of counselors there is safety.
Pr 12:20 Deceit is in the heart of those who devise evil, But counselors of peace have joy.
Pr 15:22 Without counsel, plans go awry, But in the multitude of counselors they are established.
Pr 24:6 For by wise counsel you will wage your own war, And in a multitude of counselors there is safety.
And there is no doubt at all, that Prov 21:1 is at play, none whatsoever. Time could be an issue for Trump, but God's will is going to be done. Thanks for the update on G/M in Syria!! Blessings to all who believe!!
Pr 11:14 Where there is no counsel, the people fall; But in the multitude of counselors there is safety.
Pr 12:20 Deceit is in the heart of those who devise evil, But counselors of peace have joy.
Pr 15:22 Without counsel, plans go awry, But in the multitude of counselors they are established.
Pr 24:6 For by wise counsel you will wage your own war, And in a multitude of counselors there is safety.
And there is no doubt at all, that Prov 21:1 is at play, none whatsoever. Time could be an issue for Trump, but God's will is going to be done. Thanks for the update on G/M in Syria!! Blessings to all who believe!!
athenasius
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I just caught another little bit of news here: https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Mediterranean-Oil-Tensions-Are-Boiling-Over.html
which gives a current look at what Turkey is up to with the neighbourhood, and oil.
Russia and Turkey may be on opposing sides in Libya -- but where Israel's pipeline is concerned, they both want to stop it or take it over. That pipeline passes by Cyprus which is mostly Greek with the north eastern tip in control of Turkey. It passes from there to Greece where it goes up into Europe as a direct competitor to Russia's oil and natural gas markets there. On the way it goes across the sea bed that Turkey is claiming due to an illegal agreement with Libya (illegal because it bypasses the rights of Egypt, Israel and Greece to the sea floor within their international limits)
So Turkey is NOW planning on drilling for oil right offshore of some major Greek islands. Cheeky!
If Russia comes out in support of Turkey as this article speculates, this could be one of the many ways that Russia and Turkey become strong allies again.
That fuse is lit and burning over in the Middle East. Spoil might be OIL as many a prophecy expert has thought for some time.
which gives a current look at what Turkey is up to with the neighbourhood, and oil.
Russia and Turkey may be on opposing sides in Libya -- but where Israel's pipeline is concerned, they both want to stop it or take it over. That pipeline passes by Cyprus which is mostly Greek with the north eastern tip in control of Turkey. It passes from there to Greece where it goes up into Europe as a direct competitor to Russia's oil and natural gas markets there. On the way it goes across the sea bed that Turkey is claiming due to an illegal agreement with Libya (illegal because it bypasses the rights of Egypt, Israel and Greece to the sea floor within their international limits)
So Turkey is NOW planning on drilling for oil right offshore of some major Greek islands. Cheeky!
If Russia comes out in support of Turkey as this article speculates, this could be one of the many ways that Russia and Turkey become strong allies again.
That fuse is lit and burning over in the Middle East. Spoil might be OIL as many a prophecy expert has thought for some time.
mikhen7
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I couldn't agree more! And where Israel is concerned, mutual interests and Islamic hatred will overide any other disagreements. I hope all is well with you Margery! God is Good
Almost Heaven
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The spoil likely is oil. The "hook" is very likely the Israel/Greece pipeline. The competition date for the pipeline is estimated at 2025. That makes Trump out of office even if he is elected to a 2nd term. I am guessing we will not have a second POTUS who supports Israel as this one does. Israel will look unprotected to the rest of the world once the US is no longer a strong supporter. 2025 will have Israel sitting with a completed pipeline and no real allies in the world.
We all know Putin is not going anywhere and is playing 3 dimensional Chess, while the rest of the world is playing checkers. I don't see him moving on Israel before they complete the pipeline for him. But watch North Africa, Putin will be spending his time getting his hands on the Libyan oil fields and readying the North African players for their roles in Gog/Magog.
mikhen7
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The only way at this I could see Putin taking it before 2025 is with the intention of not allowing Israel to complete any oil contracts in Europe that may have been previous Russian contracts. In other words, nipping things in the bud.
athenasius
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OK I just noticed something significant (to me anyway) in the Ezek 38:8 where Israel is dwelling securely-- carelessly-- the Strongs key is the Hebrew Betach H983.
and over in Ezek 39:6 where God is sending fire on the distant isles or coastlands (depending on your Bible version) it is said that these people living there are ALSO in a state of BETACH, Strongs H983
leaving me in a mild state of shock and delight! God sends fire on Magog, yup, got that part. They get their just rewards.
But it's the isles or distant coastlands which is iy H339 which can mean a country, coast, island or dry habitable spot. here's the Strongs: From H183; properly a habitable spot (as desirable); dry land, a coast, an island: - country, isle, island. (occurs 36 times)
And God sends FIRE down on there too. Now I've always just taken that to mean that God rains fire onto all the invaders distant countries or Russia launching nukes indiscriminately but it could be anywhere in the world that this is happening.
And it's somewhere that enjoys a careless attitude of "can't happen to us"-- feeling secure and carefree in an entitled sense of their own safety and security.
And in regards to the term Betach being used as unwalled villages, it's NOT translated that way when it refers to these far coastlands isles or country. That place is ALSO in that state of careless oblivious sense of security. Yet the translation is never unwalled that I've seen.
So that says to me that the proper use of Betach is as Arnold Fruchtenbaum says, not about the walls, but about the sense of careless easy security in their own ability to protect themselves.
and over in Ezek 39:6 where God is sending fire on the distant isles or coastlands (depending on your Bible version) it is said that these people living there are ALSO in a state of BETACH, Strongs H983
leaving me in a mild state of shock and delight! God sends fire on Magog, yup, got that part. They get their just rewards.
But it's the isles or distant coastlands which is iy H339 which can mean a country, coast, island or dry habitable spot. here's the Strongs: From H183; properly a habitable spot (as desirable); dry land, a coast, an island: - country, isle, island. (occurs 36 times)
And God sends FIRE down on there too. Now I've always just taken that to mean that God rains fire onto all the invaders distant countries or Russia launching nukes indiscriminately but it could be anywhere in the world that this is happening.
And it's somewhere that enjoys a careless attitude of "can't happen to us"-- feeling secure and carefree in an entitled sense of their own safety and security.
And in regards to the term Betach being used as unwalled villages, it's NOT translated that way when it refers to these far coastlands isles or country. That place is ALSO in that state of careless oblivious sense of security. Yet the translation is never unwalled that I've seen.
So that says to me that the proper use of Betach is as Arnold Fruchtenbaum says, not about the walls, but about the sense of careless easy security in their own ability to protect themselves.
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mikhen7
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Yes indeed!! I am glad you see this as well. Quite awhile back I wrote the following in this thread: https://www.raptureforums.com/forums/threads/imminent-gog-magog-war.108738/post-842305945 Note Andy's reply that follows it. Good stuff Margery!!!!
Spartan Sprinter 1
Formerly known as Shaun
I saw an interesting arcticle yesterday on the RR newsfeed where an IDF general warned against cutting the defense budget for the military due to a perceived sense of calm and security in the region as their enemies could strike at anytime.
The words Calm and security immediately jumped out to me when i read the article.
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mikhen7
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I got a response from Jack Hibbs assistant. The answer is yes, yes, yes!. I am hesitant to post what he wrote (all good--all Pre millennial) because I do not want some journalist to web crawl and find the post then sensationalize it for the dark side.
athenasius
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That is WISE Mike, but Praise GOD!
mikhen7
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Still praising God with you Margery!!! But to the topic, they know and that is all I need to say. It is such good news to know they know. But if I were to post verbatim, I feel like it would be giving the devil a foothold to attack our present leaders. God is at work and that is all we need to know! Praise His Holy and Blessed Name!!
DanLMP
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I believe I already said that Jack has strongly implied that he has access to WH insiders.
Regarding your concern for the Medianites, it is probably better this way.
Now if Jack himself makes mention of the information somewhere along the way...
BTW, did they ask you specifically to keep the info on the down low? I'm curious if Jack also suspects Medianite ill intent.
athenasius
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YUP!
Spartan Sprinter 1
Formerly known as Shaun
I've been looking up Bill Salus lately to see whether he has some updated info on the middle east wars or situations going on there and i'm really being troubled by the company he regularly appears with eg Perry Stone, occasionally Jonathan Cahn and a host of othersthat the Prophecy watchers people alarmingly invite to their conferences.
I'm feeling semi conflicted with his views at the moment , what do you think Athenasius ?
athenasius
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I'm not the best person to answer that because I mostly read his books and only watch when he shows up on Stearman.
Who we choose to spend time with, show up on a lecture stage with, behind a pulpit with implies some background comfort with the other people's theology. Whether Bill knows it or not, that implies agreement with their fitness to preach behind a pulpit. I know conferences are more of a grey area. And as for the christian book selling circuit, that is a whole other kettle of fish. I'd never brush aside those first hints of change in a person if that is what you think you are seeing. But I wouldn't make a case against them based on that alone either.
Gary Stearman's show is a case in point. Gary's bread and butter is selling books. Stearman, a good solid dispensational teacher in his own right, has some very odd or bad guests on his show, pitching their books --mixed in with some enthusiastic, interesting types like Ken Johnson whose specialty is Dead Sea Scrolls, or free wheeling original thinkers like LAMarzulli investigating some fringe topics --along with conservative greats like Dr Ron Rhodes, or Dr Mark Hitchcock or Dr Andy Woods or Dr Thomas Ice. Stearman's guest list runs the whole gamut.
Bill is an out of the box kind of guy to begin with. He explores different ideas and talks with people with a genuine interest in what they have to say and he doesn't pre judge by what I've seen of him. So from the get go, he's someone who isn't afraid to look at things from a different angle. And he goes and checks up all these ideas against the Bible, like a good Berean before he writes on it. Case in point was his book on Elam.
I remain neither convinced nor unconvinced of his books and ideas.
They've sent me on some very good rabbit trails. He's done a nice job with all his books, making his case in each one, using the Scripture well, without bending or distorting it -- his answers to his critics have been equally good. But his conclusions are prophetic-- things that we won't know the truth of, till they come about OR NOT which he says himself. He is very open about that. He encourages a Berean attitude, and he doesn't imply that those who don't agree with him are missing out on God's best. Good character.
In contrast to his openness to hearing people disagree with him and his honesty in pointing out the weaknesses of his own arguments, I find Cahn's work deceptive.
Cahn launches his books as fictional narratives that teach some very sketchy theology. Because of the story line, he doesn't have to explain-- he just allows his current mouthpeice/prophet/teacher type in each book unload a few cherry picked Scriptures onto the undiscerning audience. Vague visionary threats of financial or social collapse, and other things that false prophets like because sooner or later something like that happens in the normal course of events.
Cahn's books are like a Cindy Jacobs false prophecy palooza in book form. Long on the things that are probably going to happen, that anybody and their poodle or pomeranian could expect, and short on actual verifiable details.
And Perry Stone is another very bad man.-- also one that a lot of people here have dealt with.
If Bill's agreeing with their ideas I'd be VERY alarmed. There have been good people in the past, who showed their first signs of going sideways by preferring to hang out with the rebels in the preacher crowd, the misfits and the downright deceptive types.
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