Finland basic income trial left people 'happier but jobless'

Discussion in 'End Times Politics' started by TimeWarpWife, Feb 9, 2019.

  1. TimeWarpWife

    TimeWarpWife Well-Known Member

    "Giving jobless people in Finland a basic income for two years did not lead them to find work, researchers said.

    From January 2017 until December 2018, 2,000 unemployed Finns got a monthly flat payment of €560 (£490; $634).

    The aim was to see if a guaranteed safety net would help people find jobs, and support them if they had to take insecure gig economy work.

    While employment levels did not improve, participants said they felt happier and less stressed.

    When it launched the pilot scheme back in 2017, Finland became the first European country to test out the idea of an unconditional basic income. It was run by the Social Insurance Institution (Kela), a Finnish government agency, and involved 2,000 randomly-selected people on unemployment benefits.

    It immediately attracted international interest - but these results have now raised questions about the effectiveness of such schemes.

    What is 'basic income' and how does it work?
    Universal basic income, or UBI, means that everyone gets a set monthly income, regardless of means. The Finnish trial was a bit different, as it focused on people who were unemployed.

    Another popular variation is 'universal basic services' - where instead of getting an income, things like education, healthcare and transport are free for all.

    Although it's enjoying a resurgence in popularity, the idea isn't new. In fact, it was first described in Sir Thomas More's Utopia, published in 1516 - a full 503 years ago.

    Such schemes are being trialled all over the world. Adults in a village in western Kenya are being given $22 a month for 12 years, until 2028, while the Italian government is working on introducing a "citizens' income". The city of Utrecht, in the Netherlands, is also carrying out a basic income study called Weten Wat Werkt - "Know What Works" - until October. "

    The bottom line is this experiment didn't really provide any more jobs and the unemployment rate is still at 8.1%. The participants received the equivalent of $634 a month. That's more money a month than most people working at a fast food restaurant make, which is about $10/hr., in the U.S. Plus the Finns also get free healthcare thrown in. Where's the incentive to work? There isn't any, so why not be on the government dole where you don't have to work and you still get paid. :doh Other countries are also trying out this "living wage" scheme, and if the green deal monstrosity gets passed, it's going to happen here in the States. Btw, the green deal states in it that those who can't work and those who don't want to work will be paid a monthly living wage provided by the government, aka the American taxpayers. I don't know about the other countries trying this nonsense, but here in the States, it's one purpose is so the Democrats can become the sole dictating party of this country. :furious

    This is what the Bible says on the subject:

    "But if anyone does not provide for his own, and especially for those of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever." ~ 1 Timothy 5:8 (NKJV)

    "For even when we were with you, we commanded you this: If anyone will not work, neither shall he eat." ~ 2 Thessalonians 3:10 (NKJV)
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  2. Kaatje

    Kaatje Well-Known Member

    Duhhuh. :doh
  3. TheRedeemed

    TheRedeemed Well-Known Member

    There is actually another aspect to this, and it is due mostly to automation and robotics.

    The fear for western govts is their collapse into 3rd world status if the goods made are done in either low wage countries or are combined with low wage factory and manufacturing automation. Something like say a washing machine which would have a cost price of say 150 $/£/€ at the factory gate, add all the middle men, retailers and purchase tax and the machine would be around the 400 mark for the end purchaser.

    If you use the cheap method of manufacturing as above the factory gate price may drop to about 50, but they would still expect to be selling these at A1 retail prices in the home nation’s markets, otherwise it could spark a deflationary economy, which could bring a whole country to a stop.

    So if you have made all your citizens unemployed, moved the factory to Africa, Asia or the Far East to reduce costs who are you going to sell these completed products to? No one could afford to purchase these goods anymore in the home nation due to no work and no wages.

    So some govts see basic benefit, paid to everyone for life, as a way to avoid economic crash and, if you don’t work, then that is all you will have, if you do work, you still keep your benefit money on top of your wage. This reduces govt admin and costs as they don’t any more have to run and manage multiple benefits for multiple issues/areas.

    Govt will get their share back in the indirect taxation on everyone’s purchases and the increased corporation tax on the profits of the companies who’s profits will rise due to reduced costs and no wages paid.

    Things will change, they will have to, because automation is going to be present in every part of our lives, and lots of traditional large scale employment areas are set to be wiped out across the industrialised world in the next 20 - 50 years.

    Of course the real big shake up to the world’s economy may be in the form of millions of workers just disappearing in the twinkling of an eye!
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  4. Channah

    Channah Well-Known Member

    It is the stupidest thing ever. Too many idle hands create boredom, crime, and all kinds of foolishness. They want people to be dependent on the government and only a few will be in control. European health care is sometimes good. I read where people have to wait long periods just to get medical procedures plus they have to pay for the millions of migrants so I don't know how it will end up.
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