Faith Without Works is Dead

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Faith Without Works is Dead
By Jack Kinsella

One of the main arguments against the doctrine of eternal security to those who don’t understand it is that its opponents believe it is a ‘license to sin’.

Salvation is a three step process. First, one must recognize his condition as a sinner. Secondly, that person must recognize that Jesus paid the penalty for that sin on the Cross. And third, that sinner must repent and be converted;

“Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.” (Acts 3:19)

When one repents of one’s sin and trusts Jesus, then the Scripture says one becomes ‘a new creature’ that “…old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.” (2nd Corinthians 5:17)

Repentance means more than mere sorrow or regret or despair or grief over sin. Bible repentance means a change of mind toward God that results in a change of action.

Writes Robert Girdlestone in “Synonyms of the Old Testament”;

“Repentance is neither sorrow without change or change without sorrow, but it is such a deep feeling of sorrow as gives rise to a determination to change.”

“Repentance is a change of mind or purpose. Until a man repents he commonly feels comfortable about himself and his “ways; but when the Savior, through the Spirit, gives him repentance, he changes his mind about himself, and seeing nothing good in his heart or in his works, his whole soul cries out, “Lord be merciful to me, as sinner.” (William Cathcart, Baptist Encyclopedia)

James Stewart explained ‘repentance’ this way in his book, “Evangelism”;

“Repentance is included in believing. Howbeit, repentance is not faith, nor faith repentance. ‘He that believeth’ implies repentance. ‘Repent and be converted’ involves faith. The hand that clutches the assassin’s knife must open it ‘ere it can grasp the gift its intended victim proffers; and opening that hand, though a single act, has a double aspect and purpose. Accepting the gift implies a turning from the crime the heart was bent on, and it was THE GIFT ITSELF that worked the change.”

Before looking more deeply into what repentance is, let’s take a look at what repentance is NOT.

Repentance isn’t fear of God’s anger coming from a consciousness of guilt or grief as a consequence of that guilt.

Judas was guilty of the greatest crime in human history — the betrayal of the Son of God. The Bible says that he was so filled with despair that he went out and hanged himself.

There is no indication that Judas had any sorrow for any other sin in his life, and he asked no pardon for his betrayal of Jesus. Judas’ despair was the result of great regret, but was not the same as repentance.

Judas had no change of mind, nor a change of heart. Rather than resolving to live a changed life and trusting the Lord for his forgiveness, he pronounced judgment upon himself and sentenced himself to death.

He was sorry for his crime, but he had no faith in forgiveness. He trusted to his own works.

The Greek word translated ‘repentance’ is ‘metanoeo’, which involves four things, according to R.C. Trench’s “Synonyms of the New Testament.”

1) “To know after,”

2) the change of mind consequent on this after-knowledge,

3) regret for the course pursued, resulting from the change of mind consequent on this after-knowledge, and,

4) the change of conduct for the future, springing from all this.

Thayer’s Greek-English Lexicon defines metanoeo (‘repent’ as a verb) as ‘to change one’s mind’. Thayer’s defines ‘metanoia’ (‘repentance’ the noun) as “to change one’s mind for the better, heartily to amend with abhorrence of one’s past sins.”

Repentance, as it relates to salvation, means to turn to God from sin. It means to bow before Jesus Christ as the God of one’s life. It involves a change of mind concerning Whose will is supreme, and involves a change of action as a consequence. There can be no salvation without repentance.

Repentance is denying self (a negative) while by faith affirming Christ (a positive). Repentance looks within; faith looks above. Repentance exposes us as miserable sinners; faith delivers us from that misery.

“Repentance is hunger, faith is the open mouth, and Christ is the living Food,” writes Cathcart.

Those who don’t understand the doctrine of eternal security take their personal view of ‘repentance’ and apply it across-the-board, according to the prism of their own self-experience.

For example, the smoker who, upon being saved, is convicted that smoking is a sin (changes his mind) and repents (changes his action) and quits, then applies smoking as a litmus test against which to measure the repentance of others.

In this view, someone who gets saved and doesn’t give up smoking can’t still be saved because he hasn’t really repented of his sin. Do you see the fundamental flaw in this logic?

Repentance is a change of mind, followed by a corresponding change of action. But it isn’t an instantaneous change, or the Scripture “that He which hath BEGUN a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ” would make no sense. (Philippians 1:6)

Repenting and trusting Jesus means turning their sin nature over to Jesus Christ, and being willing to allow Him to make the changes as He saw fit.

“For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.” (Romans 7:18)

To the guy who gave up smoking, the guy who hasn’t quit yet didn’t repent. To take this view, one has to ignore the fact that God isn’t done with this second guy yet.

He hath BEGUN a good work in him, but the Scriptures say it is a PROCESS in which He [Jesus] will CONTINUE to perform that good work until the day we stand before Him at the Bema Seat.

(Or else we have to tear that verse out of our Bibles.)

The sinner who will be saved MUST repent, and that repentance will ALWAYS result in a changed life.

Because those changes aren’t the ones somebody else (or even the sinner himself) expects to see doesn’t mean there is no repentance or no salvation or a loss of salvation.

The saved person KNOWS who they were before Christ. And the saved person marvels at the changes God has wrought in him — because HE knows what they are.

Even if those who would judge him by his outward performance do not.

I recall a discussion I had with the Lord not too long after I was saved. The moment I was saved, I gave up all the outward sins, smoking, drinking, swearing, etc. It wasn’t too long until the enemy threw me a few curves, and the next thing you know, there I was, right back where I started. Or so I thought.

I went for a long walk and I enquired of the Lord — what is wrong with me? Was my repentance insincere? Was my salvation a sham?

How is it that the same God Who could speak the earth into existence out of nothing couldn’t give me the strength to keep me from picking up a cigarette? Where was my repentance? Was I still saved? Was I EVER saved?

And as I walked with Him, and questioned Him, He gave me the only answer that made sense. It was so obvious I wondered why I couldn’t see it before — I was walking with the Lord and asking Him why I hadn’t changed.

That’s when the lights came on. Before I got saved, I didn’t do that.

I went along my own way, running my life according to my own will and understanding, and the last thing I would have done would have been to go for a walk, talking to an invisible Savior and seeking His assurance and approval.

I still had a pack of cigarettes in my pocket, but I had changed my mind about myself, my relationship to God and my sin. My salvation had already produced evidence of a changed mind and a changed life.

As we walked, the Lord brought to my mind a whole list of things that I used to do that I didn’t do anymore. The changes just weren’t the ones I was expecting, in the order in which I had expected them.

The changes weren’t in the same order as in other people, but they were just as profound, since I KNOW who I was before. And so did God.

I was still a sinner. But I was a repentant sinner who was walking with God in the cool of the evening and I knew I had fellowship with Him because I WAS walking with Him in the cool of the evening, and seeking His will for my life.

The Apostle Paul, the greatest evangelist who ever lived, wrote of his own personal struggle with sin.

“I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.”

Paul cries out in seeming despair, “O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?”

Then the Lord gives him the answer to his question, just as He gave me mine.

“I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.” (Romans 7:21-25)

Eternal security is not license to sin. It is a recognition that sin exists in our lives, but also that,

“There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.” (Romans 8:1)

As I walked with the Lord, hating (but keeping) that pack of cigarettes in my pocket, was I walking after the flesh, or after the Spirit?

In his letter to the Romans, Paul says,

“Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof…for sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.”

My sin continued to exist, since I remain subject to the ‘law in my members’ but it no longer had dominion over me. I could still approach the Throne of Grace and seek His Face and pray with confidence.

The enemy’s efforts to convince me I was unworthy by virtue of my sin was overcome by God’s assurance I am forgiven by grace through faith. It wasn’t up to me — I didn’t need to give up in the face of my failure.

“Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God’s elect? It is God that justifieth.” (Romans 8:33)

Answering the objection that eternal security is the same as a ‘license to sin’, Paul writes;

“What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?”

What IS the sin unto death? There IS such a sin — the Bible says so;

“If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.” (1 John 5:16)

John makes it clear that there are sins which are NOT unto death, but Paul says the wages of sin is death. A contradiction? In both cases, the context indicates the comments are addressed to believers. So what does it mean?

“And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.”

The Apostle John recorded Jesus’ teaching that;

“It is the Spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are Spirit, and they are life.” (John 6:63)

It is the Holy Spirit that calls us to salvation. Rejecting that call is the sin unto death for which there is no forgiveness.

The Apostle James writes;

“For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.” (James 2:26)

Opponents of eternal security seize on the second half of that verse to prove the validity of works, instead of looking at the entire verse in context.

In context, note that James is using a dead (unquickened) spirit to contrast against a ‘dead faith’.

Faith is NOT the spirit and the spirit is not faith. One has a spirit whether one has faith or not. The two are not the same. But one’s spirit is ‘quickened’ — made alive, BY faith.

Hebrews 11:1 defines ‘faith’. “Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.”

If one has faith, but does no works of faith, how does it follow that means his spirit is killed — since, by definition, saving faith results in a ‘quickened’ spirit?

If one has faith, but does no works of faith, he will bear no fruit. Leading someone to Christ is a work of faith that bears fruit. Passing up an opportunity to witness because one is too ashamed is a fruitless exercise. Without works, that faith will bear no fruit.

But we are not saved by faithless works, we are saved by workless faith. Others are saved, i.e., led to Christ, by our works on behalf of the Gospel. Or they are not, due to our failure.

Paul writes of the fate of him that has faith without works when that one stands before the Bema Seat;

“Every man’s work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man’s work of what sort it is. If any man’s work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.”

But note the following verse very carefully:

“If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: BUT HE HIMSELF SHALL BE SAVED; yet so as by fire.” (1st Corinthians 3:13-15)

Again, is this a contradiction? James says faith without works is dead, but Paul says that faith that produces no works will suffer the loss of rewards, before he notes carefully that loss of rewards isn’t the same as the loss of salvation.

Connecting the dots, we find the following:

1) Salvation is a free gift of grace, received by faith, and exclusive of works. (Ephesians 2:8-9)

2) Repentance means a change of mind toward God and sin that results in a change of action.

3) There is but one ‘sin unto death’. The only sin which will not be forgiven men is the rejection of salvation by denying the leading of the Holy Spirit.

4) Dead faith cannot produce spiritual fruit without works, so faith without works is dead.

5) Every person who by faith, accepts the free gift of salvation, will stand before the Bema Seat and be rewarded according to their works.

6) He who has no works will receive no reward, “BUT HE HIMSELF SHALL BE SAVED; yet so as by fire.”

Salvation comes by repentance for sin and faith in the completed work of the Cross as a substitutionary and all-sufficient sacrifice for sin.

Works of faith can only come AFTER that faith has been quickened by salvation. If the only sin unto death is the rejection of the free gift of salvation, then by definition, one who has saving faith has NOT rejected it.

His faith may not bear fruit, in which case, to all intents and purposes, that faith is ‘dead’ but the one with faith without works will ‘suffer loss’ but will himself be saved, ‘as by fire’.

This in no way means that works are irrelevant to bearing fruit, which is the Great Commission given to the Church, but it is clear that ‘works’ and ‘faith’ are two different things.

It offers no assurance that one can sin with impunity — sin bears its own reward, whether one is saved or lost.

Smokers get lung cancer, whether they are saved or not. Drug addicts overdose or die of disease brought on by a weakened immune system. Alcoholics get cirrhosis or die of some other alcohol related disease.

Sexual promiscuity yields a whole host of consequences, from the misery of divorce to the risk of death by sexually-transmitted diseases.

But only those who reject the offer of pardon procured for them by Jesus Christ at the price of His Own Blood sin the ‘sin unto death’.

The doctrine of eternal security is no license to sin, merely a recognition that sin exists, and that Jesus Christ alone has defeated sin’s eternal consequences.

“Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.” (Acts 3:19)

Salvation is an issue between an individual and Jesus Christ. Repentance cannot be faked — one KNOWS in one’s heart whether one has repented or not.

So does Jesus Christ. Trust Him.

“…yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.” (Romans 3:4)

This Letter was written by Jack Kinsella on May 5, 2005.

https://www.raptureforums.com/jack-kinsella/faith-without-works-is-dead-2/
 

Len

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Repentance cannot be faked — one KNOWS in one’s heart whether one has repented or not.
Jeremiah 17:9 - The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
I certainly still sin, as for repenting I question that I actually did that when I believed that Jesus was true, but I try not to be the reprobate I once was ..... but always argue in my head that I am just older now and a bit more wiser thanks to God showing me the difference between darkness and light ...........
 

Chris

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Jeremiah 17:9 - The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
I certainly still sin, as for repenting I question that I actually did that when I believed that Jesus was true, but I try not to be the reprobate I once was ..... but always argue in my head that I am just older now and a bit more wiser thanks to God showing me the difference between darkness and light ...........

I know what you mean. I think we all have doubts at time. It seems to be human nature, but then again that is how it all started in the Garden of Eden. :sad :doh
 

Andy C

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How is it that the same God Who could speak the earth into existence out of nothing couldn’t give me the strength to keep me from picking up a cigarette? Where was my repentance? Was I still saved? Was I EVER saved?

And as I walked with Him, and questioned Him, He gave me the only answer that made sense. It was so obvious I wondered why I couldn’t see it before — I was walking with the Lord and asking Him why I hadn’t changed.

That’s when the lights came on. Before I got saved, I didn’t do that.

I went along my own way, running my life according to my own will and understanding, and the last thing I would have done would have been to go for a walk, talking to an invisible Savior and seeking His assurance and approval.

I still had a pack of cigarettes in my pocket, but I had changed my mind about myself, my relationship to God and my sin. My salvation had already produced evidence of a changed mind and a changed life.

As we walked, the Lord brought to my mind a whole list of things that I used to do that I didn’t do anymore. The changes just weren’t the ones I was expecting, in the order in which I had expected them
Excellent read, and the quoted above is a great explanation of what “change” means in the new person in Jesus.
 

Andy C

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Bumping this thread.

I dont think I have ever read a better article on what repentance means, and how it relates to salvation.

Great details on what repentance is NOT, and what it IS.

This article IMHO should be discussed. Recent articles have spurred discussion on what changes if any will be displayed by a Christian, and that we should know them by their fruits. This article does a great job in explaining “change”.

Jack Kinsella hit a homerun with this teaching.
 

Jonathan

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Repentance is a change of mind, followed by a corresponding change of action. But it isn’t an instantaneous change, or the Scripture “that He which hath BEGUN a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ” would make no sense. (Philippians 1:6)
This is key, to those, like myself, who still struggle with sin. It is one of my favorite verses in the Bible, not because it gives me a license to sin, but because it reassures me that despite my sins after being saved, I still really am saved. It's extremely important.

I am a work in progress. Not my own work, but God's.
 

Jonathan

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Bumping this thread.

I dont think I have ever read a better article on what repentance means, and how it relates to salvation.

Great details on what repentance is NOT, and what it IS.

This article IMHO should be discussed. Recent articles have spurred discussion on what changes if any will be displayed by a Christian, and that we should know them by their fruits. This article does a great job in explaining “change”.

Jack Kinsella hit a homerun with this teaching.
About fruits... I think a lot of Christians produce fruits that most people won't see. God does, though.
 

Goodboy

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I would love to totally agree with the article, but I need to be honest and say I don't agree with the definition of repentance. I agree with the "change of mind" part, but not the "change of action" part. To me repentance is all in the mind or heart if you will.

To understand my point, let's say there is an extremely obese guy who weighs over 800 pounds because he constantly overeats. His actions are causing him to be overweight. Does that mean that he likes and wants to be overweight? He could certainly think that being overweight is wrong and hates that he cannot stop eating. So my point is that everyone does not necessarily do what they believe is right. God is looking at the heart not necessarily the actions. This is why he could consider Lot to be a righteous man.

So do you have to repent to be saved? My answer is yes, because if you don't believe you are a sinner, why in the world would you need a Savior. So repentance to me is just agreeing with God that you are a sinner and in need of a Savior. Will God then change you? Yes he will, but that change is internal. You can sill sin, but it will not have the same enjoyment for you and there will be consequences.

So I am not trying to debate or cast doubt on what the article stated. I am just posting what it is I believe. I started not to post anything as I think I am in the minority here. However, we all need to be honest as to what we believe. That is the only way we can be corrected if our thinking is incorrect. :)
 
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Salluz

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I would love to totally agree with the article, but I need to be honest and say I don't agree with the definition of repentance. I agree with the "change of mind" part, but not the "change of action" part. To me repentance is all in the mind or heart if you will.

To understand my point, let's say there is an extremely obese guy who weighs over 800 pounds because he constantly overeats. His actions are causing him to be overweight. Does that mean that he likes and wants to be overweight? He could certainly think that being overweight is wrong and hates that he cannot stop eating. So my point is that everyone does not necessarily do what they believe is right. God is looking at the heart not necessarily the actions. This is why he could consider Lot to be a righteous man.

So do you have to repent to be saved? May answer is yes, because if you don't believe you are a sinner, why in the world would you need a Savior. So repentance to me is just agreeing with God that you are a sinner and in need of a Savior. Will God then change you? Yes he will, but that change is internal. You can sill sin, but it will not have the same enjoyment for you and there will be consequences.

So I am not trying to debate or cast doubt on what the article stated. I am just posting what it is I believe. I started not to post anything as I think I am in the minority here. However, we all need to be honest as to what we believe. That is the only way we can be corrected if our thinking is incorrect. :)

Goodboy I think Jack nailed it with the portion Andy quoted (the story about the cigarettes). The change in action is not necessarily immediate, but being saved is. And the change in actions might not be in the order we would think, or the sins we would want to immediately get rid of, but the holy spirit is going to change us. In this way, repentance is a change of mind that leads to a change of action. The change in action isn't necessary to have repented, but it follows true repentance in some manner.

The changes might also be minute enough for a person not to bear fruit, but they're there and can even be a way for a person to be more sure of having been saved. Does that make sense? Even refraining from one sin as a result of repentance would be a change in behavior, but not necessarily one others would notice or you yourself would notice right away. But if there are absolutely no changes whatsoever, it might be time for that person to do a little introspection, you know?
 

Goodboy

Won't Be Long Now!
Goodboy I think Jack nailed it with the portion Andy quoted (the story about the cigarettes). The change in action is not necessarily immediate, but being saved is. And the change in actions might not be in the order we would think, or the sins we would want to immediately get rid of, but the holy spirit is going to change us. In this way, repentance is a change of mind that leads to a change of action. The change in action isn't necessary to have repented, but it follows true repentance in some manner.

The changes might also be minute enough for a person not to bear fruit, but they're there and can even be a way for a person to be more sure of having been saved. Does that make sense? Even refraining from one sin as a result of repentance would be a change in behavior, but not necessarily one others would notice or you yourself would notice right away. But if there are absolutely no changes whatsoever, it might be time for that person to do a little introspection, you know?
Salluz, I must say you did an excellent job explaining what you got out of the article and I might even go along with that. Just to be clear, I do not dispute the fact that God will change you once you become a believer. I however believe the change is internal and does not necessarily mean you will change externally.

There is only one small thing that I would question based on what you have stated. Suppose someone claims to be a Christian and he and you both agree that absolutely nothing has changed. He says he has prayed the prayer and believes in Jesus as his Savior, but does not want to nor has he changed. At this point, what is it you will tell him to do in order to get saved?
 

Sowen

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So do you have to repent to be saved? My answer is yes, because if you don't believe you are a sinner, why in the world would you need a Savior. So repentance to me is just agreeing with God that you are a sinner and in need of a Savior. Will God then change you? Yes he will, but that change is internal. You can sill sin, but it will not have the same enjoyment for you and there will be consequences.
Isn't that what the article states?
 

ItIsFinished!

Blood bought child of the King of kings.
The article states that there will be an outward change. I am saying there will be an inward change and most likely an outward change, but not necessarily. The article states that repentance includes an outward change. I say repentance is only a change of mind.
I hear what you are saying friend.
You are a great thinker and you don't post haphazardly.
I have respect for your thoughts.

To repent is to turn from sin and towards God.
Turn from sin (what ever particulars) and recognize your fallen sin saturated self.
Turning towards God (Jesus Christ and His redemptive work on the Cross) and not of yourself or your "good" deeds or ways.
Absorb His grace and exercise faith in Him and Him alone.

So yes in that perspective it is an inward change.
Which yes in my beliefs would carry over to an outward change.
Timing??
That is definitely going to be different for everyone.

Anyone can receive Christ as Saviour and still live in the exact sins they were in as before they received Christ.

Why??
Because it isn't about us and what we do , but rather what He has done on The Cross.
Amen! Hallelujah !

Those in Christ are absolutely a work in progress.
We are new creatures in Christ.
There should be some notably differences in our behaviour and lifestyle.
Not that our salvation hinges upon it , but rather evidence thereof.

There are many who believe and teach that salvation is based upon your repentance .
That isn't accurate.
Salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus Christ.
Not of us or our ways nor works.
Repentance doesn't save us , Jesus Christ and His redemptive work on the Cross does by (amazing) grace through faith in Him.

All that being said , I believe if one is truly saved and a new creature in Christ there will be evidence of that change.
However once again not that it hinges upon ones salvation.

Let us sing , Jesus Keep me near the Cross.
Let us praise The Lamb of God that was slain before the foundation of the world.

All glory be to God now and forever!
Praise Him!
Much love in Christ .
 

Goodboy

Won't Be Long Now!
I hear what you are saying friend.
You are a great thinker and you don't post haphazardly.
I have respect for your thoughts.

To repent is to turn from sin and towards God.
Turn from sin (what ever particulars) and recognize your fallen sin saturated self.
Turning towards God (Jesus Christ and His redemptive work on the Cross) and not of yourself or your "good" deeds or ways.
Absorb His grace and exercise faith in Him and Him alone.

So yes in that perspective it is an inward change.
Which yes in my beliefs would carry over to an outward change.
Timing??
That is definitely going to be different for everyone.

Anyone can receive Christ as Saviour and still live in the exact sins they were in as before they received Christ.

Why??
Because it isn't about us and what we do , but rather what He has done on The Cross.
Amen! Hallelujah !

Those in Christ are absolutely a work in progress.
We are new creatures in Christ.
There should be some notably differences in our behaviour and lifestyle.
Not that our salvation hinges upon it , but rather evidence thereof.

There are many who believe and teach that salvation is based upon your repentance .
That isn't accurate.
Salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus Christ.
Not of us or our ways nor works.
Repentance doesn't save us , Jesus Christ and His redemptive work on the Cross does by (amazing) grace through faith in Him.

All that being said , I believe if one is truly saved and a new creature in Christ there will be evidence of that change.
However once again not that it hinges upon ones salvation.

Let us sing , Jesus Keep me near the Cross.
Let us praise The Lamb of God that was slain before the foundation of the world.

All glory be to God now and forever!
Praise Him!
Much love in Christ .
Thanks for your post and it was very well put. :)

I would like to ask you the same question that I asked Salluz earlier.
Suppose someone claims to be a Christian and he and you both agree that absolutely nothing has changed. He says he has prayed the prayer and believes in Jesus as his Savior, but does not want to nor has he changed. At this point, what is it you will tell him to do in order to get saved?
 

Goodboy

Won't Be Long Now!
I hear what you are saying friend.
You are a great thinker and you don't post haphazardly.
I have respect for your thoughts.

To repent is to turn from sin and towards God.
Turn from sin (what ever particulars) and recognize your fallen sin saturated self.
Turning towards God (Jesus Christ and His redemptive work on the Cross) and not of yourself or your "good" deeds or ways.
Absorb His grace and exercise faith in Him and Him alone.

So yes in that perspective it is an inward change.
Which yes in my beliefs would carry over to an outward change.
Timing??
That is definitely going to be different for everyone.

Anyone can receive Christ as Saviour and still live in the exact sins they were in as before they received Christ.

Why??
Because it isn't about us and what we do , but rather what He has done on The Cross.
Amen! Hallelujah !

Those in Christ are absolutely a work in progress.
We are new creatures in Christ.
There should be some notably differences in our behaviour and lifestyle.
Not that our salvation hinges upon it , but rather evidence thereof.

There are many who believe and teach that salvation is based upon your repentance .
That isn't accurate.
Salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus Christ.
Not of us or our ways nor works.
Repentance doesn't save us , Jesus Christ and His redemptive work on the Cross does by (amazing) grace through faith in Him.

All that being said , I believe if one is truly saved and a new creature in Christ there will be evidence of that change.
However once again not that it hinges upon ones salvation.

Let us sing , Jesus Keep me near the Cross.
Let us praise The Lamb of God that was slain before the foundation of the world.

All glory be to God now and forever!
Praise Him!
Much love in Christ .
Again, great post! :)

I would like to tell you a true story. When I was younger I use to go sharing on the streets of Paterson, NJ. The area where we shared was a pretty bad area, but we never had any trouble. This one time while I was sharing I saw this drunk guy digging through the garbage with a scowl on his face. I thought to myself, "Oh my this guy really needs Jesus". So I approached him with my usual line of "Do you know what Jesus did for you?" To my utter surprise the man looked up at me with the biggest smile and said "Oh yes Jesus, he is my Lord and Savior!". I don't remember what else he said, but I am sure that the guy is saved. However, because he is not living right, he is most miserable.

OK, that's a true story, but you might say that God's Word (The Bible) is what we go by. I would total agree with that, I just happen to think that God's Word says something different regarding a believer's life. In the verse below, Jesus tells us who will be the least in the Kingdom of Heaven.

Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Hum... A Christian not only breaking the commandments, but teaching others to do so will get into Heaven.

All that said, I like the way you put things together, as it is easier for me to understand! :)
God Bless!!! :)
 
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