Ezekiel 38-39

[katt]

After reading the thread I noticed many believe Russia goes after Israel because it wants too..but the Prophecy says.."I will put a hook in your jaw..."

Meaning..Russia does not want to do this, Russia does it because it has to...

Every time Russia signs a treaty with any nation on the Ezekiel 38 list I think..ya better be careful who you sign treatises with, it's gonna come back to bite ya someday!!!...

 

[greg64]

After reading the thread I noticed many believe Russia goes after Israel because it wants too..but the Prophecy says.."I will put a hook in your jaw..."

Meaning..Russia does not want to do this, Russia does it because it has to...

Every time Russia signs a treaty with any nation on the Ezekiel 38 list I think..ya better be careful who you sign treatises with, it's gonna come back to bite ya someday!!!...

Many (including me) think that hook will be financial and probably in the form of oil and gas.

 

[katt]

Many (including me) think that hook will be financial and probably in the form of oil and gas.

I don't think any warlord (for lack of a better term) would need to be talked into, forced or compelled to go after riches...the hook means they don't want to do this..God puts the hook in Gog's jaw..meaning..God gives them no choice..

The treaties they keep signing with the Islamic countries on that list..is The Hook that makes them lead that coalition...

 

[kathymendel]

It could also be said that Russia "takes the bait'.............the same thing a fish does. It sees something in the water that it wants to eat,
and grabs at it, setting the hook in it's mouth. So, it could be the gas and oil and other riches of Israel that Russia wants, and it makes
that move.

 

[katt]

It could also be said that Russia "takes the bait'.............the same thing a fish does. It sees something in the water that it wants to eat,
and grabs at it, setting the hook in it's mouth. So, it could be the gas and oil and other riches of Israel that Russia wants, and it makes
that move.

That sounds like waving a carrot under thier nose..you do not wave a carrot under the nose of a stubborn donkey, child, wild horse, criminal on thier way to jail, or an angry stubborn woman..begging pretty please will you plow the fields, let me catch you and break you, eat your peas, get in the paddy wagon, or bake a cake..No..

You put a hook in their jaw and force the issue..thus all those treatises Russia has been making with Islamic States all these years..which I believe is what forces the issue...

 

[greg64]

Turkey's economy is in shambles. Russia's is too, or was under Trump -- it may be improving somewhat with oil going up and Biden clearing the way for Nord Stream 2 while shutting down Keystone. I do think Putin will need to show something for the expenditure in Syria at some point.

Putin is after power, influence, and cash. And maintaining his assets in Syria. I don't think he actually cares all that much about Islam other than as he can use it as well as keeping his own Islamic population in check. I do think something will happen to make the move worth the risk in the eyes of the Kremlin. It's also interesting how he's playing the Sunni's off the Shiite's and keeping a lid on the natural tensions and aspirations of both Turkey and Iran. And how the Arab states are lining up prophetically on the other side.

 

[Richard the Lion]

While the OP's observations are worthy of noting,
what I'm curious about is what the outcome is going to be with the "energy source competition war" that is bound to be taken up between Israel and Russia in the near future. This has already caused some tensions between the them since the agreement was signed between Israel and some European nations which will sever their reliance on Russia for their gas energy dependency. Ouch! Israel is not a friend to Russia in this respect while Several European nations have already signed into the pipeline agreement with Israel's EastMed pipeline, Russia's Nordstream pipeline has been halted due to U.S sanctions which Biden now us considering lifting those sanctions, if he does it will allow Russia to proceed with the Nord Stream 2 pipeline. Tensions! Then there's Ukraine. who is Russia's border neighbor and dependent on Russia for it's energy source. Ukraine has an interest in Israel's energy source. That alone will infuriate Russia with Israel because Russia will no longer have leverage on Ukraine by losing its dependency on Russia for energy.
The links I provided explain the different details on how the energy pipelines sources are going to become an issue between Israel and Russia. I find this intriguing because of the verse in Ezekiel that goes like this

"I will plunder and loot and turn my hand against the resettled ruins and the people gathered from the nations, rich in livestock and goods, living at the center of the land.[d]” 13 Sheba and Dedan and the merchants of Tarshish and all her villages[e] will say to you, “Have you come to plunder? Have you gathered your hordes to loot, to carry off silver and gold, to take away livestock and goods and to seize much plunder?”’
Ezekiel 38:12-13

What's to say the plunder or spoil that "Gog" would be after couldn't be Israel's energy source? Their oil or gas energy source?

The following news articles are references to the EastMed Pipeline and how it's competition to Russia's Nord East Pipeline "could" be the catalyst to Russia invading Israel for the Gog of Magog war.

EU to cut gas dependency on Russia with Israel pipeline

Israel and several EU nations have pledged to move forward with a Mediterranean gas project, aiming to pump natural gas from Israel to Europe through the longest undersea pipeline ever built.
More:
https://www.dw.com/en/eu-to-cut-gas-dependency-on-russia-with-israel-pipeline/a-38269274


Israeli Gas to Italy Is New “Flavor of the Month” To Supply Europe From Offshore Gas Deposits in the East Med
February 3, 2021

Europe’s gas pipeline wars are in a muddle as the US throws its support to the EastMed project to supply Israeli gas to Italy, transiting Greece and Cyprus; while at the same time the US is sanctioning the Russian-German Nord Stream 2 pipeline, which is already 90% complete.

https://jpt.spe.org/israeli-gas-to-...pe-from-offshore-gas-deposits-in-the-east-med


US warns Nord Stream pipeline is 'Russian geopolitical project'
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ream-pipeline-is-russian-geopolitical-project

""I will plunder and loot and turn my hand against the resettled ruins and the people gathered from the nations, rich in livestock and goods, living at the center of the land.[d]”

That is the USA! It is true that Russia will try to invade Israel, but they also invade North America!

He attacks TWO places, Israel and North America, probably from the Arctic down into Canada.
If any country has spoils and riches, it's the USA and its interior. Israel is minuscule.

The Iroquois word for Village is 'kanata'. In ancient North America in Ezekiel's time, the natives did not use walls.

"merchants of Tarshish and all her villages[e] will say to you, “Have you come to plunder?"

Read that it says have you COME to plunder...Whoever is speaking here is being attacked, in my view. Otherwise they would say, have you GONE to plunder (another country).

God sends a fire on both lands (Magog, Gog AND the coastlands or isles). We see an ICBM exchange here. So you have two superpowers knocked out. Now Europe, Israel and the East take over.

 

[Andy C]

""I will plunder and loot and turn my hand against the resettled ruins and the people gathered from the nations, rich in livestock and goods, living at the center of the land.[d]”

That is the USA! It is true that Russia will try to invade Israel, but they also invade North America!

He attacks TWO places, Israel and North America, probably from the Arctic down into Canada.
If any country has spoils and riches, it's the USA and its interior. Israel is minuscule.

The Iroquois word for Village is 'kanata'. In ancient North America in Ezekiel's time, the natives did not use walls.

"merchants of Tarshish and all her villages[e] will say to you, “Have you come to plunder?"

Read that it says have you COME to plunder...Whoever is speaking here is being attacked, in my view. Otherwise they would say, have you GONE to plunder (another country).

God sends a fire on both lands (Magog, Gog AND the coastlands or isles). We see an ICBM exchange here. So you have two superpowers knocked out. Now Europe, Israel and the East take over.

I see no part of Ezekiel that references anything close to the USA. The invasion, or attempted invasion is strictly against Israel.

 

[Spartan Sprinter 1]

Things are definitely heating up on the Ezekiel forn, Russia has just finished constructing that NORD stream Gasline

 

[mattfivefour]

""I will plunder and loot and turn my hand against the resettled ruins and the people gathered from the nations, rich in livestock and goods, living at the center of the land.[d]”

That is the USA! It is true that Russia will try to invade Israel, but they also invade North America!

He attacks TWO places, Israel and North America, probably from the Arctic down into Canada.
If any country has spoils and riches, it's the USA and its interior. Israel is minuscule.

The Iroquois word for Village is 'kanata'. In ancient North America in Ezekiel's time, the natives did not use walls.

"merchants of Tarshish and all her villages[e] will say to you, “Have you come to plunder?"

Read that it says have you COME to plunder...Whoever is speaking here is being attacked, in my view. Otherwise they would say, have you GONE to plunder (another country).

God sends a fire on both lands (Magog, Gog AND the coastlands or isles). We see an ICBM exchange here. So you have two superpowers knocked out. Now Europe, Israel and the East take over.

Your mistake is to think Ezekiel 38:12 refers to America. From the context it clearly refers to Israel. Andy C is correct in His observation.

The peoples referred to in verse 13 of that chapter have often been misunderstood. About 300 years ago, John Gill gave the most accepted exposition of this verse. In part it reads:

"Sheba, and Dedan, and the merchants of Tarshish,.... These are not any of the people that shall come along with Gog on his expedition; but some neighbouring nations bordering on Judea, who will address him in the following manner, as he passes through them, or by them. Sheba and Dedan design the Arabians inhabiting that part of Arabia which lay near to Judea, even Arabia Petraea and Felix; and the merchants of Tarshish are the Tyrians and Zidonians that traded by sea, as Tarshish sometimes signifies; or to Tartessus in Spain, where they had much traffic; and may design the people of those places that will at this time be living in Palestine, that trade by sea to foreign parts. The Septuagint and Arabic versions render it the "Carthaginian merchants", or "the merchants of Carthage":
with all the young lions thereof; which some interpret of sea pirates, for their cruelty and voraciousness. The Targum paraphrases it, all the kings thereof; and so Kimchi thinks kings and princes are meant; but the Septuagint version renders it, 'all their villages'; and so the Syriac version, 'all the cities.'"

 

[Wings Like Eagles]

Ezekiel 38 takes place when Israel is at peace and not suspecting an attack. That isn't the case now.

That's why a lot of believers think that the Tribulation (AKA "the time of Jacob's trouble") will have already begun when the Ezekiel 38 war takes place. In fact, it may be the Ezekiel 38 battle which initiates the Tribulation. The Antichrist will work a peace deal with Israel and half way through that seven-year treaty, he will violate it. Then the Great Tribulation will begin.

 

[Hiftobaf]

That's why a lot of believers think that the Tribulation (AKA "the time of Jacob's trouble") will have already begun when the Ezekiel 38 war takes place. In fact, it may be the Ezekiel 38 battle which initiates the Tribulation. The Antichrist will work a peace deal with Israel and half way through that seven-year treaty, he will violate it. Then the Great Tribulation will begin.

Since Israel's enemies are almost completely obliterated after Ezekiel 38, I don't see why the antichrist needs to step in and negotiate anything as a result of this war.

 

[daygo]

That's why a lot of believers think that the Tribulation (AKA "the time of Jacob's trouble") will have already begun when the Ezekiel 38 war takes place. In fact, it may be the Ezekiel 38 battle which initiates the Tribulation. The Antichrist will work a peace deal with Israel and half way through that seven-year treaty, he will violate it. Then the Great Tribulation will begin.

Possible.

 

[Wings Like Eagles]

Since Israel's enemies are almost completely obliterated after Ezekiel 38, I don't see why the antichrist needs to step in and negotiate anything as a result of this war.

 

[greg64]

Since Israel's enemies are almost completely obliterated after Ezekiel 38, I don't see why the antichrist needs to step in and negotiate anything as a result of this war.

There are many more Muslim nations that what are listed as antagonists in Ezekiel 38. For starters, the friendly ones that protest the invasion like Sheba and Dedan. Since an extremely likely component of the convenant will be allowing the Jews to build a temple without triggering war with the remaining Islamic countries, I do think there will be both a need and an opportunity that will be filled.

 

[Wings Like Eagles]

Most Muslims live outside of the Middle East and would not be directly affected by the Ezekiel 38 war--but the war could excite "holy war" in those who live in Pakistan, Bangladesh, India and Indonesia (the most populous Muslim nations--Pakistan=230 million, Bangladesh=165 million, India+145 million and Indonesia=270 million) as well as the "Stan" countries on the vast underbelly of Russia, that are not obliterated and the many millions in northern Africa. Those people/nations would probably need to be placated by some kind of agreement.

 

[Hidden]

Most Muslims live outside of the Middle East and would not be directly affected by the Ezekiel 38 war--but the war could excite "holy war" in those who live in Pakistan, Bangladesh, India and Indonesia (the most populous Muslim nations--Pakistan=230 million, Bangladesh=165 million, India+145 million and Indonesia=270 million) as well as the "Stan" countries on the vast underbelly of Russia, that are not obliterated and the many millions in northern Africa. Those people/nations would probably need to be placated by some kind of agreement.

The Ez 38 War is also God's way of showing the world that there is no God but Yahweh. I am praying many of these people would come to that conclusion in the aftermath of the war, and would come seeking the Lord Jesus for their salvation.

 

[Hidden]

I will be visiting Georgia next month and I have been researching about the country before my travel. I came across the information that according to the Georgian Chronicles, Georgians consider themselves to have descended from Japheth, particularly from Gomer and Tagarmos (Togarmah?). Mainly it's the caucasus region together with the Turkic (Turkish) people. Fascinating stuff.

 

[katt]

I will be visiting Georgia next month and I have been researching about the country before my travel. I came across the information that according to the Georgian Chronicles, Georgians consider themselves to have descended from Japheth, particularly from Gomer and Tagarmos (Togarmah?). Mainly it's the caucasus region together with the Turkic (Turkish) people. Fascinating stuff.

The ptb really Georgia, it is said that WWII was started in that region..

 

[Hidden]

The ptb really Georgia, it is said that WWII was started in that region..

Stalin was also from Georgia. Really interesting place.