Ezekiel 38:19

Discussion in 'Gog / Magog' started by Erin, Nov 28, 2018.

  1. Erin

    Erin Well-Known Member

    When rereading Ezekiel again this morning, I noticed some of the details about when God's wrath "boils over". The earthquake, hailstones, fire and sulfur. Those are all things that occur with a Plinian volcanic eruption. I am not saying that God can't choose to do something else entirely, I just believe He can use natural phenomenon at His pleasure and to accomplish the things He wants.
     
  2. duckdogger

    duckdogger Well-Known Member

    Of course He can. And will
     
  3. DanLMP

    DanLMP Well-Known Member

    When you consider all of the judgements that God has made and the means He has used to carry them out, natural forces have been the norm.
     
  4. cchomeschoolmom

    cchomeschoolmom Well-Known Member

    I wonder what those who do not want to believe the bible will say when things happen exactly as prophesied. They tend to try to play games and claim certain books of the bible must have had multiple authors instead of predicting future events. When Those prophesies that have not yet been fulfilled come to pass how will they explain it? I am especially thinking of Ezekiel and Revelations.
     
  5. lenraff

    lenraff Well-Known Member

    Amen. How are they gonna explain millions of people suddenly disappearing?? And all the children under the age of accountability? No, I can't give a specific scriptural reference for the children, "but shall not the God of the whole earth do right".
     
  6. lenraff

    lenraff Well-Known Member

    Just an interesting fact you just brought to my remembrance. The sulfur balls discovered at Sodom and Gomorrah were tested and found to be 78% pure. The purest sulfur found on earth is in the 40% range, found at the base of volcanoes. I'd say we are correct in believing our God can use anything to His accomplish proposes.
     
  7. Kaatje

    Kaatje Well-Known Member

    I get a feeling that not-believing will cease to be. It will become seeing and knowing.
    When we are gone, it won’t be believing or not-believing anymore, but of obeying God or not.
    The demons believe in God (because they KNOW Him), and they shudder. (James 2:19)
     
  8. SonSeeker

    SonSeeker Well-Known Member

    Absolutely Kaatje! I believe there are many many folks who have heard everything said about the Rapture, but have not put their faith in Jesus. Those who adhere to the "seeing is believing" mantra. In the ensuing days, (after they've finished kicking themselves!), they'll hopefully grab a bible and read it as though their lives depended on it, because it does!
    Sadly, this applies to a close relative of mine.:sad
     
  9. Kaatje

    Kaatje Well-Known Member

    To mine too, sadly.
    I have written a letter for them, to find and read when I’m gone.
    Tells them not to worry about me, but to BELIEVE, so they can come too.
     
  10. RobinMc

    RobinMc Well-Known Member

    I agree. I don't believe in mother nature, but in Father God.
     
  11. Salluz

    Salluz Well-Known Member

    The fact that the sulfur is almost doubly pure compared to what is found naturally seems to indicate a miraculous rather than natural end to Sodom and Gomorrah. I think it will be the same during Ezekiel 38 as God leaves no room for doubt in his existence. I think it will be much like the plagues of Egypt where part of the goal was to demonstrate his power. People could rationalize a volcano erupting as an army attacks as simply coincidence, but if it rains fire and brimstone from nowhere, that would be impossible to rationalize. During the tribulation judgments people curse God for them, so it indicates they know he exists and are in open rebellion
     
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  12. Steve53

    Steve53 Well-Known Member

    The rapture will precede any seals being broken during Daniel's 70th week.
     
  13. Steve53

    Steve53 Well-Known Member

    Yes. Absolutely.

    None of the other points of view can be 100% reconciled with the full counsel of God's Word.
     
  14. lenraff

    lenraff Well-Known Member

    The seal judgments are just that, and Rev.3:10 Jesus promises to keep us from the judgments coming on the earth.
     
  15. OnlyHim

    OnlyHim Well-Known Member


    When you know where the key is to the storehouses of the snow.... You can pretty much use either a snowstorm or your right hand to deliver it to its intended target.

    “Have you entered the storehouses of the snow or seen the storehouses of the hail, which I reserve for times of trouble, for days of war and battle?" (Job 38: 22-23)
     
  16. mattfivefour

    mattfivefour Administrator Staff Member

    Respectfully, it can be discussed as much as others may like, but it's not in accordance with Scripture. The Rapture occurs BEFORE any seals are broken. That is as plain as day to all who actually believe God's Word as given to us. We indeed have had --and have now-- tribulation, as the Bible warns us. But it is NOT the Great Tribulation. THAT will only come after we are gone.
     
  17. Andy C

    Andy C Well-Known Member

    Concur, the bible is very clear on this.
     
  18. lenraff

    lenraff Well-Known Member

    I believe many Christians are confused about tribulation. We all have tribulations and some are persecuted for our faith, this is in keeping with scripture before the rapture.
    Mat_13:21  Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended. Here Jesus describes a person's walk and his/her tribulation and/or persecution. Imo

    Mat_24:21  For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. Here He is describing the great tribulation. The seals are 1/3 of the judgments to be poured upon earth dwellers, those left behind. This is literal scripture. There are no signs for the rapture and many signs during the Tribulation. Therefore if we were in the trib we would be able to set time, ie., Seven years to His return. Not opinion, scripture.
     
  19. Chris

    Chris Administrator Staff Member

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  20. Erin

    Erin Well-Known Member


    I too held to this stance for a bit. But in the Bible the just are always taken before the unjust are dealt with. I prayed to God for clarification and understanding and true to His Word, He answered. It is a mystery but I believe the door that is opened in Revelation 4:1 is the rapture. If you compare the description of "the Voice", like a trumpet blast and He said to "come up here". Those are all refrence to the rapture made earlier in the different books of the Bible.
     
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