daygo
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Don't think it does, my opinion it's the start of a very bumpy road from Psalm 83, then depending upon what happens after ie is there a ceasefire of sorts, who attacks when etc feel we need to be watching and waiting.
Ezekiel 38:1-6 Follow-up to Other Thread
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Anastacia
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Since Oct 7, I've been specifically thinking about Ez 38:8: "After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel... ."
The NIV phrases it as Israel having "recovered from war." Tempting to wonder if this is currently the war they will recover from and eventually feel they are safe and secure if they really do eliminate Hamas, Hezbollah etc..
daygo
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Interesting thought I've thought similar but can't express it.
Ghoti Ichthus
Pray so they do not serve alone. Ephesians 6:10-20
There's mountains in Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, and the Sinai . . .
I need to look at the Table of Nations and general history of all to maybe get a clue
I need to look at the Table of Nations and general history of all to maybe get a clue
athenasius
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The Mountains of Israel is a key phrase. This refers to what is commonly known as "the West Bank" or as we know it Biblically and historically "Judea and Samaria"
The Mountains of Israel refers to the mountain range that rises up out of the Jordan Valley all the way up to Jerusalem. Mount Zion to be exact is part of the range but it includes a range of mountains like a spine all along that valley of the Jordan down to the Dead Sea. This spine goes up and into a northern range
this is the territory that Jordan took away from Israel in '48 at her birth and she reclaimed 19 years later in '67. In 73 she took Jerusalem including Mt Zion or the Temple Mount.
So Ez 38:8 says
in the latter years (this refers to the time just before and including the Tribulation period)
you shall come into the land brought back from the sword. Here's a recap of the recent wars from this thread here: https://www.raptureforums.com/forums/threads/hamas-and-the-end-times-wars.204364/
"Israel has waged numerous wars, even as early as when they were founded in 1948. The War of Independence of 1948-49 was followed by the Suez War of 1956. Then came the Six Day War of 1967, the Yom Kippur War in 1973, the Lebanese War in 1982, the First Intifada or Arab Uprising from 1987 to 1993, the First Gulf War of 1990-91, the Second Intifada from 2000-05, the Hezbollah War of 2006, the First Gaza War with Hamas in 2009, the Second Gaza War in 2012, and the Third Gaza War in 2014. This fight could become merely the Fourth Gaza War of 2023."
and this proves that this land has been thru the sword regularly. At some point they will be at rest from all the wars, thinking they are finally at peace.
"is gathered out of many people" meaning that they've come from all over back into the land of Israel - that has been going on since the birth of the Zionist movement in the late 1890s when the early settlers came in response to Theodor Herzl. In 1948 they became Israel again.
"against the mountains of Israel." meaning that Gog and his forces are coming against this area.
Mt Tabor and Mt Carmel are the northernmost peaks but if you look up the topographical maps you'll see that the midpoint is Jerusalem, Mt Zion (Temple Mount) and the Mount of Olives, then going south into the Negev after the Dead Sea.
In other words it's ISRAEL. From north to south, this spine of mountains range all the way. Much of it claimed by others as the so called West Bank, it is the heartland of Israel, Judea and Samaria.
pixelpusher
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This could be when Mr Fixit shows up and confirms a covenant with many?
Then the red horse "causes men to slay one another", and in Ezek 38, "every man's sword is against his brother".
athenasius
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Yes!
The way I see this happening-- I'm speculating is this.
This war somehow at some point either sets things up for Isaiah 17/Psalm 83/ Ezekiel 32:17-32/ Amos 1/ Jeremiah 49 OR it is the start of that war. And THAT sets Israel up for the preconditions mentioned in Ezek 38 and 39.
I see these passages as related to each other for obvious reasons, they repeat the Damascus destruction/ Elam's (western Iran) involvement with terrorism along with Gaza, the West Bank (tents of Edom-- another passage) and they all seem to dovetail with Psalm 83 (I've explained that at length in previous threads)
Isaiah 17 is an overnight destruction but the others if Ezek 32:17-32 is part of it, are a process, and it all starts because of terrorism as Ezek 32 explains.
As Bill Salus points out in his Psalm 83 books, this allows Israel to expand and live at peace. No nearby terrorists to cause fear. That sets up 2 conditions: 1: Peace and 2: Wealth. (it's easy to get wealthy if you don't have to spend every spare dime on protection from the crazy murderous neighbours)
That also dovetails with Paul's "when they say peace and safety, then sudden destruction...
I've been looking further at Ezek 38 and found something else I didn't spot earlier and I began to see a possible connection to the war in Ukraine. vs 7&8 God is speaking to Gog of Magog (Russia-- I've explained why that is Russia in other threads on this and probably upthread here too.)
7 “‘Get ready; be prepared, you and all the hordes gathered about you, and take command of them. 8 After many days you will be called to arms. In future years you will invade a land that has recovered from war, whose people were gathered from many nations to the mountains of Israel, which had long been desolate. They had been brought out from the nations, and now all of them live in safety.
So we've covered Israel's part in this.
But it's RUSSIA that I'm interested in.
God is commanding Russia's principle leader/fallen angelic being over that territory to TAKE COMMAND of the hordes gathered about Russia.
To my way of thinking that would be the Magog territories which are the Stans (muslims) and UKRAINE. I've gone into the geography and history of all that in previous threads so I won't repeat why I think that here.
I think we've been watching that happen since Putin invaded the Crimea-- which really began under Obama, then Putin paused under Trump and as soon as Biden was safely installed as President, he went right back to annexing Ukraine.
Then God gives what to me are 2 interesting time stamps. There is a passage of time (after many days) before Russia will be called to arms. Another time stamp follows (in future years)
and now the threads merge. We see Israel, recovered from war, gathered from many nations (the anti semitism is driving Jews out towards Israel and if they win a war and create peace and wealth, that will only increase the flood of Jews coming home to Israel)
To the MOUNTAINS of Israel (ie Judea and Samaria, aka the so called "West Bank"!!!)
At the same time God has Russia losing money, and taking control over (Take Command) of Magog.
Two strands of prophecy merging for Ezek 38 and 39.
Very interesting speculation, but it does make a lot of sense. I agree that something has to cause Israel to be at "peace" with its neighbors in order for the Ezekiel prophecy to come true. The current attack by Hamas would have never occurred under Trump. They know that he would do whatever it takes. The current clown in the Oval office is weak and the Arabs do not respect weak leaders. Don't forget when Biden was on a state visit to Saudi Arabia begging for MBS to lower oil prices he was basically given the "middle finger" by the Saudi's and they lowered production. Yes, the US sent warships and arms to Israel, but on the other hand this administration keeps restraining Israel from actually attacking Hamas. In my opinion its all smoke and mirrors at some level. I really do believe that we are seeing Bible prophecy starting to be fulfilled. I know many are saying that this is not THE Psalm 83 war yet, but war is very unpredictable and who knows what this will lead to? Yemen just declared war on Israel. Who is next? Time will tell as it always does, but I still think this is the start of something very big.
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Hidden
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I've been thinking about the same thing since last week! Particularly that phrase "recovered from war". That doesn't seem to pertain to WWII since it's been almost 8 decades since that war, so it could be something else. Maybe you're on to something, athenasius. Perhaps before the Ezekiel 38-39 war, there will be a war with her immediate neighbors.
athenasius
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It HAS to be significant - this war. The way all Israel came together despite enormous differences in a matter of 24 hours or less.
Felt like one of those watershed moments like 911, or the Kennedy assassination.
In one day all Israel dropped their infighting and came together. That looks like God brought them together with a purpose.
yet to be determined what exactly that purpose is, but those turning points in history always have a purpose.
athenasius
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Hidden, I think that is a wonderful insight. You are quite right, it has been too long since WW2, and there have been other wars but the description seems to imply a big one. Psalm 83 proponents have been looking more and more lately at that convergence with Isaiah 17, Ezek 32, Jeremiah 49 and the various scriptures that I've mentioned in the past that seem to involve all the Ps 83 gang plus a few like Elam - part of Persia if you know what I mean and the modern day Edomites aka Tents of Edom. I typed out a long answer yesterday and somehow it got lost
. Computers will be computers. I think it's interesting that the big prophecy types in the Ps 83 hypothesis are saying this now. That was always why I couldn't get on board Ps 83 because it didn't seem to include the other side players and events like Isaiah 17.