Ex-Mormon Couple – “Devastated” That Christian Leaders and Pastors Are Embracing The Chosen Series

Matthew6:33

Withstand in the evil day. Eph 6:13
By Dennis and Rauni Higley
Former leaders and teachers in the Mormon church
H.I.S. Ministries International


Thank you for writing about The Chosen series. We are so pleased to see it. We hope you do not mind that we’ll suggest that all our warnings about The Chosen need to start from the beginning – i.e. from the Triune God!


Christians or Mormons who are somewhat familiar with the Book of Mormon think it is similar or closely related to what the Bible teaches about God, for it does teach that God is One and that He is Spirit. But when compared to today’s actual Mormon teachings about God and Jesus, they do not teach the same.


Mormons do not believe in the Trinity. They do not believe that Jesus is God, the Son (Matt. 1:23; John 1:1-3,14; 8:24), but instead they believe in three gods for this Earth (and multitudes of gods elsewhere), and they believe that their Jesus is just one son among many sons of their god, and that he was chosen (over Lucifer) to become a savior.


Only very few Mormons know either the Book of Mormon or the Bible but only trust and believe LDS teachings found in other Mormon “scriptures.”


There are many even practicing Mormons who do not know how huge the difference between Mormonism and biblical Christianity is and that it begins with who the real God is. Almost all Mormon converts come from various Christian denominations where they have not been taught who the Triune God is; and because Mormons use Christian terms and words, unsuspecting people investigating Mormonism assume that Mormons believe the same as what the words mean to them, not knowing that Mormons have given these words and terms a different meaning.


Likewise, pastors who have not studied in depth what Mormonism teaches about God (but only think they know because they have read the Book of Mormon) are as confused as are the Mormons for they assume that the God of Mormonism today is the same as what the Book of Mormon teaches about when it is not so!


The Book of Mormon is just a “fish-bait” to bring converts to Mormonism for it is looking and even sounding similar to the Bible but is totally “another.”) We have experienced during our 38-year ministry to Mormons that until a Mormon gets it that there was no preexistence of mankind, and that Jesus is not their spirit brother, or a brother of Lucifer either, they will continue to cleave to their false beliefs that they all are sons and daughters of God. They do not even begin to understand that until they know that Jesus is God (Matt. 1:23; John 8:24b) and that only God can forgive sins (Mark 2:7b). When we learn who the Triune God is, we learn that Jesus is God the Son who became a man. He is not a man who became a god, as all Mormons hope and believe that they too will become!


Mormons and others who have been attracted to Mormonism’s outward goodness are now (through The Chosen series) being assured that there is no real important differences since Dallas Jenkins, an evangelical Christian, says that the Mormon-Jesus is the same as the Jesus of the Bible. If that is true, then there is no reason to witness to Mormons! Why would any Mormon want to leave Mormonism if his Jesus is the same, and the Bible says that Jesus alone gives salvation!? (John 14:6; Acts 4:12)


If we do not begin our warning about The Chosen series by teaching who the Triune God of the Bible is and who the real Jesus Christ is (Matt. 1:18-23; John 1:1-3, 14:8:24b), people will accept and even share with others Mormon teachings about Jesus, and that will lead many more millions into hell.


We are seeing it here already. Even some former Mormons who had left it and become Christians are now starting to turn back to Mormonism—and why not if the Mormon Jesus and the biblical Jesus are the same; there was no need to leave their Mormon family and heritage after all.


But learning that “God” of Mormonism is not God of the Bible could awake them up! False God(s) or “another Jesus” cannot save anyone.


Reminder: Joseph Smith started his church (1830) with the Book of Mormon that teaches there is only One God who is Spirit and that Jesus is His Son. But it was 14 years after he had started his church, when he, in April of 1844, changed who his “God” is and said, “For I am going to tell you how God came to be a God. We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea . . . God himself was once a man as we are now, and is an exalted man . . . you have got to learn how to be Gods yourselves . . . same as all Gods have done before you . . . ” (Teachings, pp, 345-346.)


Of course, the Mormon Church is thrilled by an announcement from “evangelical Christian, Dallas Jenkins” who says he believes in the same Jesus as Mormons do.


Question: Does Dallas Jenkins believe that “this same LDS Jesus” is also his spirit brother and that he, with all “his Mormon brothers and sisters,” grew up with him and them in the preexistence? Does he also believe that Jesus was not begotten by the Holy Ghost (as Mormonism teaches) and that Jesus was “begotten” in the flesh by their heavenly father (former mortal man) as the Mormon Church’s prophets teach about Jesus’ birth? (By the way, Dallas Jenkins is a son of a famous Christian author of Left Behind books and movies. This is perhaps one of the reasons why they approached Dallas to become their “salesman” for The Chosen?)


As former Mormons, we are devastated seeing how this movie is affecting Christians who now say, “there is no need to witness to Mormons since their Jesus is the same!” The Mormon Church, and Mormons in general, see The Chosen as a vessel that has brought them “to be nearly” accepted into Christianity by many famous pastors and leaders [such as Jack Hibbs, Greg Laurie, and Kirk Cameron].


We say all this because we believe these pastors and leaders, who proclaim to know who the real God, the Triune God, is, should withdraw their promotion of The Chosen videos, and of the entire “movement”; for this is leading so many away from God and toward eternal lostness. We say this also for those who do not know the Triune God of the Bible and pray they will start re-evaluating their beliefs!



Dennis and Rauni Higley are the authors of The Truth About Mormonism, a small book published by The Berean Call, which Lighthouse Trails now carries. The Higleys were both leaders in the Mormon Church prior to their conversion to the Jesus Christ of the Bible.

Lighthouse Trails Research Project
https://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=34680
 

Matthew6:33

Withstand in the evil day. Eph 6:13
It seems The Chosen series is becoming more of a problem. There was another blog post on lighthouse trails that said Jack Hibbs, Greg Laurie, and Kirk Cameron even supported it. Very surprised about Jack Hibbs knowingly or unknowingly supporting it, since he is a highly referenced teacher on this site (and usually pretty sharp on these matters). But I guess it goes to show you apostasy will continue to spread farther and wider as the time gets later.
 

Lynn

Longing for Home
Very surprised about Jack Hibbs knowingly or unknowingly supporting it, since he is a highly referenced teacher on this site (and usually pretty sharp on these matters). But I guess it goes to show you apostasy will continue to spread farther and wider as the time gets later.
This is exactly why we need to be discerning based on the Word of God, not according to a spiritual leader's opinion of something. Most likely a lot of folks thought this series was ok because 'Jack' was supportive of it. Yeah, let's let Jack do our thinking for us. Sounds right to me:0_O
 

Batfan7

Well-Known Member
I'm... not sure that I agree with the idea that the average Mormon is not saved. Don't get me wrong, I think Mormonism is Satanic and in every way that their religion differs from the Bible, it is wrong. But! The few Mormons I spoke to believe Jesus died for their sins, that only He could have done so, and that his death bridged the otherwise unreachable gap between sinful man and God's perfect standard.

Is that belief not enough? I ask because I don't see in the Bible where faith in the atoning work of the Cross depends on full understanding of the depths of who Jesus is. If so, could i claim salvation? Do I know totally every aspect of who God is? They do not know Jesus as triune, but is that necessary? They do not understand how far above humanity God is. How far "other", how Great. But do we?

I absolutely could be wrong, but I think that believing Jesus died for your sins is all a person needs.

I do, however, believe that teaching a Mormon truth is important. They probably won't recieve it, but it's still important. And then God can separate the wheat from the tares.
 

Matthew6:33

Withstand in the evil day. Eph 6:13
Reminder: Joseph Smith started his church (1830) with the Book of Mormon that teaches there is only One God who is Spirit and that Jesus is His Son. But it was 14 years after he had started his church, when he, in April of 1844, changed who his “God” is and said, “For I am going to tell you how God came to be a God. We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea . . . God himself was once a man as we are now, and is an exalted man . . . you have got to learn how to be Gods yourselves . . . same as all Gods have done before you . . . ” (Teachings, pp, 345-346.)
@Batfan7

I don't want to derail this thread and I respect your opinion/question but I just can't reconcile the Mormon jesus having the power to save. Their jesus is afterall a man, begot of another man who "became" a "god."

What is so deceptive is when you talk to a mormon they know exactly what to say to a Christian because they use the same terms but the meanings have changed under their doctrine, as the article notes. This is on purpose to muddy the water and subvert orthodox Christianity. In the end they wish to define their cult as Christianity along with the JWs and draw more into their orgs.
 

Andiamo

"Let's go!"
I went to a Mormon church service years ago with a friend. When they do communion it is the normal crackers but the cups are filled with water, and not juice or wine. That is because Mormons do not believe the Blood of Jesus has any significance.
 

Batfan7

Well-Known Member
@Batfan7

I don't want to derail this thread and I respect your opinion/question but I just can't reconcile the Mormon jesus having the power to save. Their jesus is afterall a man, begot of another man who "became" a "god."

What is so deceptive is when you talk to a mormon they know exactly what to say to a Christian because they use the same terms but the meanings have changed under their doctrine, as the article notes. This is on purpose to muddy the water and subvert orthodox Christianity. In the end they wish to define their cult as Christianity along with the JWs and draw more into their orgs.
No, I totally get your point. The em0hasis of the Mormin church is absolutely NOT on salvation by faith alone. I asked a Mormon once what would have been different if Jesus had never shown up and the response was "I never thought about it." And, yes, theologically, their Jesus -as a man and not eternal God - doesn't have the power to save all of humanity.

I just feel that, like Catholicism, there are more saved individuals in that church than their teachings would imply because the gospel message (the bare bones of it) is there.

But I'm not an advocate of the Morm9n Church by any means!
 

UntilTheWholeWorldHears

Well-Known Member
I'm... not sure that I agree with the idea that the average Mormon is not saved. Don't get me wrong, I think Mormonism is Satanic and in every way that their religion differs from the Bible, it is wrong. But! The few Mormons I spoke to believe Jesus died for their sins, that only He could have done so, and that his death bridged the otherwise unreachable gap between sinful man and God's perfect standard.

Is that belief not enough? I ask because I don't see in the Bible where faith in the atoning work of the Cross depends on full understanding of the depths of who Jesus is. If so, could i claim salvation? Do I know totally every aspect of who God is? They do not know Jesus as triune, but is that necessary? They do not understand how far above humanity God is. How far "other", how Great. But do we?

I absolutely could be wrong, but I think that believing Jesus died for your sins is all a person needs.

I do, however, believe that teaching a Mormon truth is important. They probably won't recieve it, but it's still important. And then God can separate the wheat from the tares.
The Mormon jesus can't save itself!!!, let alone anyone else.
 

Matthew6:33

Withstand in the evil day. Eph 6:13
like Catholicism, there are more saved individuals in that church than their teachings would imply because the gospel message (the bare bones of it) is there.
Is it though?

I think the best question to ask in order to cut through it all is this:

Acts 16:30 NKJV — And he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”

False religions/cults have a really hard time answering this.

Maybe why some of them do get saved is because they are seeking?
 

Batfan7

Well-Known Member
Is it though?

I think the best question to ask in order to cut through it all is this:

Acts 16:30 NKJV — And he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”

False religions/cults have a really hard time answering this.

Maybe why some of them do get saved is because they are seeking?
Right, the question is, do they believe in "the one whom God has sent"? And I guess only God can answer. As the post above said, if Jesus was only what the Mormon church teaches, then he could have saved no one, not even himself. But, could the thief on the cross have articulated the trinity? Or did he just decide to trust that Jesus was "able to save", despite the lack of theological understanding of the mechanics of it all.

I tend to fall on the grace of God here and say that a person doesn't need to know everything in order to trust Jesus to save.
 

RobinB

Well-Known Member
Aside from the Mormon angle, "The End Time" blog did a good piece on how shows like this can be seen as adding to Scripture.
 

Matthew6:33

Withstand in the evil day. Eph 6:13
Right, the question is, do they believe in "the one whom God has sent"? And I guess only God can answer. As the post above said, if Jesus was only what the Mormon church teaches, then he could have saved no one, not even himself. But, could the thief on the cross have articulated the trinity? Or did he just decide to trust that Jesus was "able to save", despite the lack of theological understanding of the mechanics of it all.

I tend to fall on the grace of God here and say that a person doesn't need to know everything in order to trust Jesus to save.
At the end of the day I think it boils down to being called. Those who have ears to hear will seek the truth.

The thief on the cross was seeking. While the unrepentant one yelled at Jesus to save himself if he was the Christ, the seeking thief asked if he had no fear of God even in the midst of death on the cross. Both were sinners, bother were lost, one was seeking and tender toward the things of God, the other wasn't. God knows His own and He calls them by name.

I think the point of narrowing down the correct doctrine is to get these seekers on the right track sooner. Yet contrarily we all still have different lives and experiences and maybe God has a purpose for it all, stumbling blocks included. So we just preach Christ crucified with the Orthodox doctrine of the scripture and pray for those that are seeking. The Holy Spirit will guide us in this. I will also say that sometimes the biggest enemies are the ones that God is convicting the most (ex. Apostle Paul).

It truly is very interesting how it all works. It keeps us on our toes, totally reliant on God and the Holy Spirit to guide us.
 

rks7777

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I have not watched one second of The Chosen. Can anyone confirm for me that this program is produced or related in any way to the Mormon church. I received some minor pushback from some missionaries today that are missionaries to the Mormon church in Utah. They said it was not produced by Mormons. Please let me know if this is a Mormon series. Thanks
 

Matthew6:33

Withstand in the evil day. Eph 6:13
I have not watched one second of The Chosen. Can anyone confirm for me that this program is produced or related in any way to the Mormon church. I received some minor pushback from some missionaries today that are missionaries to the Mormon church in Utah. They said it was not produced by Mormons. Please let me know if this is a Mormon series. Thanks
The production company "VidAngel" is a mormon company. You can google much more about them. I believe they are also involved in some copyright lawsuits as well.
 

Jojo4124

Well-Known Member
I'm... not sure that I agree with the idea that the average Mormon is not saved. Don't get me wrong, I think Mormonism is Satanic and in every way that their religion differs from the Bible, it is wrong. But! The few Mormons I spoke to believe Jesus died for their sins, that only He could have done so, and that his death bridged the otherwise unreachable gap between sinful man and God's perfect standard.

Is that belief not enough? I ask because I don't see in the Bible where faith in the atoning work of the Cross depends on full understanding of the depths of who Jesus is. If so, could i claim salvation? Do I know totally every aspect of who God is? They do not know Jesus as triune, but is that necessary? They do not understand how far above humanity God is. How far "other", how Great. But do we?

I absolutely could be wrong, but I think that believing Jesus died for your sins is all a person needs.

I do, however, believe that teaching a Mormon truth is important. They probably won't recieve it, but it's still important. And then God can separate the wheat from the tares.
I believe many in the RCC are saved. If they continue to compare God's Word with RCC teachings, God will show them doctrinal errors. Same for Mormons. God's Word is the plumb line!
 

katt

Well-Known Member
I'm... not sure that I agree with the idea that the average Mormon is not saved. Don't get me wrong, I think Mormonism is Satanic and in every way that their religion differs from the Bible, it is wrong. But! The few Mormons I spoke to believe Jesus died for their sins, that only He could have done so, and that his death bridged the otherwise unreachable gap between sinful man and God's perfect standard.

Is that belief not enough? I ask because I don't see in the Bible where faith in the atoning work of the Cross depends on full understanding of the depths of who Jesus is. If so, could i claim salvation? Do I know totally every aspect of who God is? They do not know Jesus as triune, but is that necessary? They do not understand how far above humanity God is. How far "other", how Great. But do we?

I absolutely could be wrong, but I think that believing Jesus died for your sins is all a person needs.

I do, however, believe that teaching a Mormon truth is important. They probably won't recieve it, but it's still important. And then God can separate the wheat from the tares.
Galatians 1:9

[9] As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.


The Mormon Jesus is not the Jesus of The Bible..if one put ones faith and trust in that Jesus one is as lost as he or she ever was..
 

MapleLeaf

Well-Known Member
I had no idea that The Chosen was connected to Mormonism. Yeesh! I don't think anyone knows. All I know is one friend said her husband refused to watch it because he disagrees with any fictionalised account/re-telling of the Bible. I don't know where to watch it anyways. Maybe the film itself doesn't get into who they say Jesus is but I am uncomfortable with giving them any money.

And no way Mormons can be saved. Knowing Who Jesus is is of VITAL importance. You can't say Jesus saved you if you don't even believe He is God. Jesus is God's Son. That is KEY. The Jesus they say is saving them is a demon Jesus. No power in there. Just lies.
 
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