Evolution Prophesied

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Evolution Prophesied
By Nathan Jones

Prophesied Last Days Scoffers​

Tim Moore: Dr. Jim Johnson of the Institute for Creation Research is a well known expert in Apologetics. He serves at ICR as the Chief Academic Officer. While ICR as a ministry tends to focus on the beginning of the Bible, Dr. Johnson also has an interest in the end of the Bible concerning the end times.

Jim Johnson: The Creation side of the Bible actually connects a lot better to the end of the Bible than most people might realize. Second 2 Peter 3:3-6, in particular, contains a prophecy about the last days:

“Knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.” For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water.”

This passage reveals that one of the characteristics of the last days is that there would be mockers who would have a character problem, that being immorality, and there are certainly plenty of those people out there. These last days scoffers would have a low opinion of the return of Jesus Christ. That’s one of the end times prophecies that we are seeing being fulfilled all around us in this time because there are plenty of mockers who have a low opinion of the promise of Christ’s return.

Also, in 2 Peter 3, there’s an indication that these mockers will reject and belittle the biblical accounts of the Creation and also the global Flood. The connection there is that the Creation only happened once, as it is not typical of business as usual, for it only happened once. Also, the worldwide Flood only happened once. And, the Second Coming of Christ will happen at one time. I’m not talking about the Rapture, rather I’m referring to the glorious appearance of Jesus Christ in power and glory at the end of the Tribulation.

The point that ties these two Creation events together is that people who take a business as usual approach to thinking about God and their place in the world are comfortable with Uniformitarianism. This is the approach of looking at the world and trying to guess what happened in the past based on what we see in the present. The evolutionary community would say that the present is the key to the past. But, the Bible would say, no, it’s not. Actually, the past helps to explain the future. You need to know the past in order to understand what’s coming in the future.

Tim Moore: There’s only one individual who was an eyewitness to the beginning and who knows the end from the beginning, and that is the Lord God. The rejection of the biblical accounts of the Creation and the Flood gets to the heart of the matter. Whether or not we believe the testimony of the Lord God Himself and His Son Jesus Christ, or whether we dismiss His testimony and go after our own theories and ideologies and our own agendas, explains why the scoffers scoff.

Jim Johnson: Let’s build on that. One of the biggest problems in the Creation-Evolution controversy is that there are many out there who are trying to solve a Forensic Sciences problem using an Empirical Science Methodology. Now, what do I mean by that? Most Americans would think of science or the scientific method as those specialists who go out and observe and measure things. What they’re observing are things in the present and that are repeatable, like the tide waves, or the moon going around the earth, or other things that recur all the time such as seasons.

The problem arises when those who are good at those hard sciences try to talk about what happened in the past. That is where they give us a bait-and-switch. What they are trained to do and what they’re good at is observing things in the present and then recording them. If you want to know with certainty about things that happened in the past, particularly unique events in the past, empirical science just won’t help you.

Let me give an example I give to children. I’ll talk to, say, a kindergartener. I’ll ask, “What day were you born?” They’ll rattle off their birthday, usually without the year. Then I’ll have to ask them, secondly, “What year was that?” After they answer, my next question is: “How do you know that you were born that day, because that’s a unique event of the no-longer observable past? You were there at the time it happened, I know you were, but you were pretty young at the time, so how do you know you don’t actually remember what day it was.”

The truth is, no empirical scientist can walk into the room and look at that child and say with any confidence, “I know you were born on this such-and-such a month and such-and-such a day and such-and-such a year.” The empirical scientist can make some guesses, but that’s all those would be — merely guesses.

The Perfect Witness​

Jim Johnson: In order to know with certainty the truth about some unique event that is no longer observable and that happened in the past, you would need a reliable eyewitness. You’ll never get to the truth without a reliable eyewitness. When it comes to the Creation and the Flood, your reliable eyewitness is God. God gave us the true eyewitness account in Scripture. He has seen the beginning because He was there, and He has communicated it to us through the Bible.

I love good witnesses! Part of my background also involves my experience as a trial lawyer in both federal and state courts. Also, since 1996, I’ve been a part-time judicial officer for the State of Texas. Every once in a while I’ll get a call to handle a non-jury case. And so, evidence is really important to me. Recognizing the difference between a reliable eyewitness and an unreliable witness is extremely important.

God is the perfect witness because He was there at the beginning of Creation and long before. He saw it all come about from every angle. He’s truthful. He has perfect recall. He doesn’t have a vocabulary problem where He cannot find the right word to express what He’s trying to say because He remembers everything. Every possible good trait that a judge would want in a reliable eyewitness is provided by God. The Creation and the Flood are right there in our Bibles because God wrote the Bible.

God not only saw the beginning, but He has also already seen the end. He can tell you everything that ever has happened, is happening, or will happen, and He’ll tell it to you perfectly. How can we not be amazed about that?

An Object Lesson​

Nathan Jones: I once saw Dr. Clough provide an object lesson which just blew my mind. He took a string and gave an end to someone to take all the way to the back of the auditorium, stretching about a hundred feet. He then asked, “If Evolution is true, and it takes millions of years to develop from a single cell to a complex organism, then how much time has mankind been able to scientifically and verifiably watch and observe this evolutionary process at work?” He measured off just one inch of that string.

Dr. Clough next noted, “Now go back to the billions of years that the universe is supposed to be. That’d stretch out past the auditorium’s building and down the street. What can be observed would equal only to about a one-one-thousandth of an inch.” He concluded by making the point that everything after that one-one-thousandth of an inch isn’t science, just mere speculation. And Evolutionists say that they’ve “Got the Science!”

Jim Johnson: Right, exactly. Beware of the bait-and-switch in vocabulary, for Evolutionists will claim that they’ve got “Science” on their side, but in reality, it’s all mere speculation. All too often, the way that the word “Science” is used today just means that “words came out of the mouth of a scientist.” Because words came out of the mouth of a scientist, it’s called Science. But, no, that’s not what real science is.

Tim Moore: When so-called experts and politicians say they have “the Science,” it’s often not real science. Their speculations are not scientifically verifiable. There’s an agenda they’re working from, along with a bias. People have come to understand that there’s an inherent bias in the so-called sciences. Sure, there are true scientists who are out there doing legitimate research, but a lot of what gets foisted on us and shoved down our throats in this current era is not true science. People are becoming aware that they need to be a bit more skeptical when politicians trot out scientists that merely serve to feed their agenda. We all need to turn to that which is true and biblical.

Jim Johnson: Right, if you start with the Bible then you’re going to run into real good science with real first-hand accounts.

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Ghoti Ichthus

Pray so they do not serve alone. Ephesians 6:10-20
Dr. Johnson teaches the online Origins Matter course at Institute for Creation Research (ICR) School of Biblical Apologetics (SOBA). Currently taking it and it's excellent. Like other online courses, you get out of it what you put into it, but even with minimal effort, someone will learn a lot.
 

lismore

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Dr. Johnson teaches the online Origins Matter course at Institute for Creation Research (ICR) School of Biblical Apologetics (SOBA). Currently taking it and it's excellent. Like other online courses, you get out of it what you put into it, but even with minimal effort, someone will learn a lot.
I heard Ken Ham from Answers in Genesis speak in this country in Perth in around 2006. Some of what he said spoke directly to the situation of much of the church here. 'We may have evolved from apes, I'm not sure, but trust Jesus anyway and you'll feel better' was how he paraphrased the evangelical message. I think we need more creationist style ministries around. God Bless :)
 

Ghoti Ichthus

Pray so they do not serve alone. Ephesians 6:10-20
I heard Ken Ham from Answers in Genesis speak in this country in Perth in around 2006. Some of what he said spoke directly to the situation of much of the church here. 'We may have evolved from apes, I'm not sure, but trust Jesus anyway and you'll feel better' was how he paraphrased the evangelical message. I think we need more creationist style ministries around. God Bless :)

I know for a fact we did not evolve from apes. God created all animals according to their kind (Genesis 1:24-25). After God created the animals, God created man (Adam and later Eve). God brought all of the animals to Adam (Eve had not yet been created) to see what he would name them all (Genesis 2:19-21)

The whole Bible is absolutely true. 6 literal 24 hour days of creation, followed by the Sabbath Day when God rested (also 24 hours long).


16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2 Timothy 3:16, KJV

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
Genesis 1, KJV

1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,
5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
9 And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
10 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.
11 The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold;
12 And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.
13 And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.
14 And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates.
15 And the Lord God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
18 And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
19 And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.
21 And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
22 And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.
Genesis 2, KJV


:pray :pray :amen :amen
 

lismore

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I know for a fact we did not evolve from apes. God created all animals according to their kind (Genesis 1:24-25).
Amen! 100%. Such are the days we're living in that many of the foundational doctrines of the faith are under attack from 'Christian sources'. I have met many 'Christians' who cheerfully promote evolution and many others who refuse to take a stand against it. But as you've pointed out, just giving the clear teaching of scripture has a lot of power and authority. “Is not my word like fire,” declares the LORD, “and like a hammer that breaks a rock in pieces? (Jeremiah 23:29). We're made in the image of God, not evolved from an ape. God Bless :)
 

SarahRose

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God created all animals according to their kind (Genesis 1:24-25).
Amen! The term kind is also used when God tells Noah about gathering the animals, which makes getting them on the ark reasonable, since there are way less kinds (categories like feline, canine, etc.) than species. Although God could make it happen even if it was every species.

People try to use the Galapagos birds as “proof” for evolution but it doesn’t prove anything other than that animals can adapt to their environment — which really only proves how awesome God’s creation is.

The more I read the Bible, the more amazed I am at how much God has revealed to us through His word. I am so glad we don’t live in the Dark Ages and we can read it any time we want.
 

lismore

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People try to use the Galapagos birds as “proof” for evolution but it doesn’t prove anything other than that animals can adapt to their environment — which really only proves how awesome God's creation is.
Good point- the Galapagos finches started out as finches and ended up as finches, still within the same 'kind' and using the properties God has given them. God Bless :)
 

Ghoti Ichthus

Pray so they do not serve alone. Ephesians 6:10-20
Here are the notes on Genesis 1:25 and 1:26 from The Henry Morris Study Bible (page 12):
(Henry Morris, now deceased, President Emeritus of the Institute for Creation Research (ICR))

1:25 after his kind. The phrase, "after his kind" occurs repeatedly, stressing the reproductive integrity of each land animal kind, of the same sort as that of each plant kind (1:11-12) and each air animal and water animal (1:21). All of these reproductive systems are programmed in terms of the biochemical genetic code, utilizing the basic elements of the earth. Both plants and animals are formed from the created eretz ("earth"), only animals from the created nephresh ("soul" or consciousness).

1:26 in our image. God is, as it were, taking counsel her with Himself, not with angels, since man was to be made in the image of God, not of angels. "Our image," therefore, implies human likeness to the triune Godhead. Plants possess a body, and animals a body and consciousness. Man was not only to have a body (of the created "earth") and a consciousness (of the created "soul"), but man was also to possess a third created entity, the image of God, an eternal spirit capable of communion and fellowship with his Creator.

(more commentary on Genesis 1:26 on page 13)
 

GHoe

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The Perfect Witness

Jim Johnson: "In order to know with certainty the truth about some unique event that is no longer observable and that happened in the past, you would need a reliable eyewitness. You’ll never get to the truth without a reliable eyewitness. When it comes to the Creation and the Flood, your reliable eyewitness is God. God gave us the true eyewitness account in Scripture. He has seen the beginning because He was there, and He has communicated it to us through the Bible."

(Excerpt from article above)

When I read the above I see the rationale for a Godless people creating the new James Webb telescope and the CERN Hedron Super Collider. I believe satan is using this super technology to be the "witness" of the past to this generation of people that deny God's word.

Articles I've read depict the CERN Super Collider to have found the "God particle" and how the world was formed. In recent articles of the James Webb Telescope, they have already shown images that they claim are from a few 100k years after the Big Bang Theory (which would be a big deal if true because they claim that event occured some 12 million years ago).

This tells me they (satan) are using science to be their "reliable" "science proven" knowledge based witness which they will use to attempt to deceive mankind and refute the word of God. And how interesting these technologies are just now coming into place as the world falls into place for the end times.
 

Ghoti Ichthus

Pray so they do not serve alone. Ephesians 6:10-20
To me, it is pretty simple:
If we had evolved from apes, there would be no more apes.
If evolution were true, as polluted as all the oceans are, all (or at least a lot of) the fish would grow legs and crawl out.

The evolutionists' parody of the Christian fish car ornament that has the legs on it is a great illustration of the falsehood of evolution :lol

Evil always has a way of announcing itself. God always warns His children :smile
 

Jaybird

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The best challenge I have seen to evolution is by an author named Michael Behe. He has written two books: "Darwin's Black Box - the Biochemical Challenge to Evolution" and "Darwin Devolves - the New Science About DNA that Challenges Evolution". He has a PhD in biochemistry and teaches at Lehigh University. He is a Roman Catholic, but the books are excellent. In a nutshell he explains that complex biochemical processes within the human body can not be explained by evolutionary theory. Darwin had no understanding of biochemistry. The DNA book is even better. The evolutionists like to say that single celled organisms evolved from chemical substances, but what programmed their DNA to replicate? Hoe did they get a genetic code? There are no scientific models that explain how these biochemical processes "evolved" because they can't logically figure out how they could have evolved. We know they didn't evolve, but were created that way. Excellent books to challenge the evolutionists if you don't mind the science and some statistics. (I was a biology major in college so the science is interesting to me).

Romans 1:22: "Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools."
 
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