Emboldened Iran To Hold War Drills With Russia and China

Rocky Rivera

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https://freebeacon.com/national-security/emboldened-iran-to-hold-war-drills-with-russia-and-china/

Iran is set to hold a series of war drills with Russia and China, as the hardline regime celebrates the United States' bungled evacuation in Afghanistan and boosts its enrichment of nuclear weapons-grade uranium to historically high levels.

Iranian and Russian leaders announced on Monday that their countries, along with China, will hold joint maritime war exercises in the Persian Gulf later this year or early in 2022, according to Iran’s state-controlled media. The countries said they will focus on "shipping security and combating piracy" as the United States reduces its military footprint in the region following its marred withdrawal from Afghanistan...
 

Rocky Rivera

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Yes, things are accelerating, and everything is coming together. Sometimes in my quiet moments I can imagine hearing the trumpet blasting in the sky. One note, or two? Maybe a whole song!

Russia and Iran -- Gog and Magog, both children of Japheth. They've come together along with China for joint exercises, their governments having smelled weakness in the West. It wouldn't surprise me if they all had a hand in our elections, helping some bad domestic actors make sure that Biden is installed. Seems as if the Trump years were our country's final heart fibrillations, like a dying man's final moments of life. Perhaps it is, and perhaps the US and its Constitution have been dead for years and we're only now finding the corpse.

As I write this, I feel a certain sadness for this country. I wasn't born here, but I have lived here nearly my whole life since Jimmy Carter was president. However, in my heart I know that God wants me to pine for and long for that better country, and a home Whose Builder and Maker is God Almighty. All is not lost. I know someday we will return with Christ and our feet will again tread upon this land, once more the land of the free and the home of the brave.
 

katt

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This partnership with China is a twist..nowhere on the list of nations in Ezekiel is the kings of the east mentioned, yet, the people on the list are partnering with them..this is an eschotological twist I never saw coming, I expected China to head the Kings Of The East with Taiwan, Korea, Veitnam, Thiland, Japan and all the rest of Asia with them..but I never thought they would have anything to do with the Ezekiel 38 war..crazy happenings..wow..just wow...
 

athenasius

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This isn't an easy thing to explain but I'll try. China and Russia are partners, and Iran has just joined the gang.

I explained on Aug 12th why Iran was tweeting about their new entry into the Shanghai agreement. https://www.raptureforums.com/forum...-with-russia-and-china.182777/#post-843513175
A senior Iranian official tweeted a message in Hebrew on Wednesday .....in Hebrew, English, Arabic and Persian about his meeting with Russian counterpart Nikolai Patrushev on Afghanistan.

“An hour ago, in a conversation with my friend colleague Mr. Patrushev, Secretary of Russia’s National Security Council, we examined the developments in Afghanistan, Syria and the Persian Gulf,” he wrote. “Fortunately, the political obstacles to Iran’s membership in the #Shanghai_agreement have been removed & Iran’s membership will be [finalized] via official [procedures]. #Good News,” he added in broken Hebrew.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Cooperation_Organisation explains fully just what the Shanghai agreement is that he refers to.

It is a cooperative alliance mainly between Russia, China and some of the Muslim Stans that has had Afghanistan and Iran in observer status. The main partners are Russia and China, they drive the agenda. It is a military, economic and counter terrorist organization. It started out in shared security concerns, expanding as terrorism grew and has become military (shocker I know!)

Deep down into the article on wikipedia we read this quote:
"Over the past few years, the organisation's activities have expanded to include increased military cooperation, intelligence sharing, and counterterrorism.

Military exercises are regularly conducted among members to promote cooperation and coordination against terrorism and other external threats, and to maintain regional peace and stability."

Ok that was Aug 12,

Today we can see that Iran is wanting to get right into the swing of things with this Shanghai Cooperation Organization. (its sort of like NATO for Nasties) and this is Iran trying to fit in with the big boys Russia and Iran.

Something may well happen to China between now and Ezek 38 that has them held back from participating, who knows what. Or they could be just part and not specified.

Either way if you figure these war drills are "NATO for Nasties" it will help explain how China fits in the big picture and what relationship they have with Iran and Russia and the rest of the Stans -- all those little Stan nations in the southern regions of the former USSR.

The purpose behind this Shanghai Cooperative Org is to replace America as the chief power in the world, the big power broker. Iran is feeling like everything is going their way right now. China and Russia will always work together to topple the West and then hope to get the best of the other one in the aftermath.
 

athenasius

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That would be interesting to watch because right now, China is feeling high and mighty. Something will happen that will cause China's downfall perhaps before the tribulation.
Something has to.

I put this in the other thread but here's some stuff to ponder

Something stops China from taking over top spot in the world after Ezek 38 knocks out Russia and the gang. It's a head scratcher for sure.

Somehow China is simply not a problem for the rise of the One World Govt and the leader that comes from the former Roman Empire, the AC.

That is something that has made me think something HAS to knock China out because right now they are the other major contender with Russia for world power. Right now the King of Jordan is making nice with Putin when he saw the Afghanistan mess. He wants a protector and fast. China is trying desperately to be the world power, and has been on the heels of Russia making deals all over Africa for years now, and the two together are allied for now, but in a rivalry that once they get rid of America, the fight will be on.

Consequently I think something HAS to take out China on or before Ezek 38 because I think after that war the AC starts to rise or at the very least the call for a global govt and China isn't the leader that steps into place after Russia is knocked out. It's a European-- a descendant of Rome that somehow rises to the top spot among the 10. He takes out 3 kings of the 10 in the process.

Prophetically China doesn't appear at all, till the final 6th bowl judgment when the kings of the east are summoned by the demons to gather at Armageddon. And that doesn't' specify how many kings of the east there are or where exactly the top eastern kings come from. China is one of many eastern nations that will come and gather. If China survives whatever it is, that knocks her out of the running for boss of the world after Ezek 38 takes out Russia.

Revelation 16, the 6th bowl gives us the drying up of the Euphrates, for the kings of the east to come-- but that seems to be in relation to the final siege of Jerusalem and gathering to Armageddon. It's the final judgment

Here's the 2 scriptures to compare. They both mention the Euphrates

Revelation 9 is where we get the 6th trumpet and the 200,000,000 man army so they are different. And it seems that the army belongs to the 4 angels that had been bound at the Euphrates. So those ones seem to be demonic in origins, or at the very least demonic in their power. I know a lot of people including Hal Lindsay in his Late Great Planet Earth tied them to China because for the first time in history a human empire could muster that many troops. But heres where I wonder because it says the 1/3 of mankind killed by the 3 plagues that pours from the mouths of the horses, and that is tied to the 4 angels being given the task of destroying 1/3 of humanity. So that says these horsemen and their horses are under the direct control of the 4 angels loosed out of the Euphrates.

14 Saying to the sixth angel who had the trumpet, Liberate the four angels who are bound at the great river Euphrates.
15 So the four angels who had been in readiness for that hour in the appointed day, month, and year were liberated to destroy a third of mankind.
16 The number of their troops of cavalry was twice ten thousand times ten thousand (200,000,000); I heard what their number was.
17 And in [my] vision the horses and their riders appeared to me like this: the riders wore breastplates the color of fiery red and sapphire blue and sulphur (brimstone) yellow. The heads of the horses looked like lions’ heads, and from their mouths there poured fire and smoke and sulphur (brimstone).
18 A third of mankind was killed by these three plagues—by the fire and the smoke and the sulphur (brimstone) that poured from the mouths of the horses.
19 For the power of the horses to do harm is in their mouths and also in their tails. Their tails are like serpents, for they have heads, and it is by means of them that they wound people.

Now Rev 16 here also in the Amplified Version. Notice it's the 6th trumpet and the 6th bowl or vial in both and both have to do with the Euphrates. This time, the river is dried up for the kings off the east, who are being summoned by demons to gather all the rulers and leaders of the world for war and the place they gather is Armageddon.

12 Then the sixth [angel] emptied his bowl on the mighty river Euphrates, and its water was dried up to make ready a road for [the coming of] the kings of the east (from the rising sun).
13 And I saw three loathsome spirits like frogs, [leaping] from the mouth of the dragon and from the mouth of the beast and from the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For really they are the spirits of demons that perform signs (wonders, miracles). And they go forth to the rulers and leaders all over the world, to gather them together for war on the great day of God the Almighty.
15 Behold, I am going to come like a thief! Blessed (happy, to be envied) is he who stays awake (alert) and who guards his clothes, so that he may not be naked and [have the shame of being] seen exposed!
16 And they gathered them together at the place which in Hebrew is called Armageddon.
17 Then the seventh [angel] emptied out his bowl into the air, and a mighty voice came out of the sanctuary of heaven from the throne [of God], saying, It is done! [It is all over, it is all accomplished, it has come!]

It's a head scratcher alright.
 

athenasius

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Part of Daniel 7:24 says, "He will subdue three kings", speaking of the Antichrist. l'm thinking one of those "kings" will be the leader of China, and the other "king" the leader of the United States. Who do you think the third king will be?
Well it depends on which scenario for the One World Govt wins out. There are 2 major theories (and of course we won't be here for the Antichrist phase, but we may or may not be here at the beginning stages).

Those two are:
1: The world is divided into 10 economic and political zones, as the Club of Rome outlined in the 50's and the World Economic Forum and other globalists have been pushing for since. North America is one of those zones including Mexico and Canada while South and Central America are another, dividing the Caribbean up according to where they fit best. China would be a zone, with much of the other bits like New Zealand, Phillippines and Australia plus Japan and Malaysia, South Korea being another zone if I recall it right-- easy to look up on the web.

2: The ancient Roman Empire is revived, with 10 member states or nations. China and America are not among them, although a case could be made for America as one of the daughters of Tarshish so existing at least as far as Ezekiel 38. The Kings of the East as I mentioned above, are not specified, and China is conspicously absent in Ezek 38 so something may happen at that time, to keep them from taking the lead role in the world after Ez 38.


My thoughts:
Historically the Early (earliest of) the Church Fathers holding to #2 position. One of them even went so far as to state he thought the 3 kings that the AC would subdue were Libya, Egypt and one other. He was pretty close to the later years of the Apostle John who wrote Revelation, so his ideas carry a lot of weight.

In the last century the #1 theory has gained traction, and has a good theological basis on the facts that the Bible discusses the end time govt covering the whole earth. However it must have a lot of Europeans and specifically Roman area in charge as something has to happen to allow a descendant of Rome to become the lead character--namely the Antichrist.

Since we all knew that eventually America would fall from her world leader status in order for Israel to face her trial by fire in Ezek 38 absolutely alone, (and Damascus as discussed elsewhere) we knew that America would not likely be a leader by Ezek 38 and probably for some time after.

You could definitely argue that both America and China make a comeback during the Trib (and definitely China might due to the kings of the east reference in Rev -the 6th bowl or vial judgment just before the end). But it's less likely that either one would play a major role in leading the OWG however your argument is a good one, because whoever IS in the way of the AC gets removed so he can take control.

For the 3 that get it in the neck by the AC, I'd be looking at 3 of the survivors after Ezek 38-- so again, China might be a contender, but Europe is more likely because they tend to work together as a group, and have had more practice telling everyone else how to run their lives. China not so much, --they are too bossy and bullying right off the start, they don't know how to get it done without loud threats. Europe is used to talking the rest of the world into doing things their way, and hiding their intent in a bunch of smiles and good will. That is how Greece got into trouble financially a few years back when they joined the Eurozone, then the German bankers demanded they make big economic changes to deal with all the debt Greece had suddenly enjoyed spending at the start. Not realizing German bankers had teeth.

We won't know till afterwards but it's sure fun to think about.
 

Rocky Rivera

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Well it depends on which scenario for the One World Govt wins out. There are 2 major theories (and of course we won't be here for the Antichrist phase, but we may or may not be here at the beginning stages).

Those two are:
1: The world is divided into 10 economic and political zones, as the Club of Rome outlined in the 50's and the World Economic Forum and other globalists have been pushing for since. North America is one of those zones including Mexico and Canada while South and Central America are another, dividing the Caribbean up according to where they fit best. China would be a zone, with much of the other bits like New Zealand, Phillippines and Australia plus Japan and Malaysia, South Korea being another zone if I recall it right-- easy to look up on the web.

2: The ancient Roman Empire is revived, with 10 member states or nations. China and America are not among them, although a case could be made for America as one of the daughters of Tarshish so existing at least as far as Ezekiel 38. The Kings of the East as I mentioned above, are not specified, and China is conspicously absent in Ezek 38 so something may happen at that time, to keep them from taking the lead role in the world after Ez 38.


My thoughts:
Historically the Early (earliest of) the Church Fathers holding to #2 position. One of them even went so far as to state he thought the 3 kings that the AC would subdue were Libya, Egypt and one other. He was pretty close to the later years of the Apostle John who wrote Revelation, so his ideas carry a lot of weight.

In the last century the #1 theory has gained traction, and has a good theological basis on the facts that the Bible discusses the end time govt covering the whole earth. However it must have a lot of Europeans and specifically Roman area in charge as something has to happen to allow a descendant of Rome to become the lead character--namely the Antichrist.

Since we all knew that eventually America would fall from her world leader status in order for Israel to face her trial by fire in Ezek 38 absolutely alone, (and Damascus as discussed elsewhere) we knew that America would not likely be a leader by Ezek 38 and probably for some time after.

You could definitely argue that both America and China make a comeback during the Trib (and definitely China might due to the kings of the east reference in Rev -the 6th bowl or vial judgment just before the end). But it's less likely that either one would play a major role in leading the OWG however your argument is a good one, because whoever IS in the way of the AC gets removed so he can take control.

For the 3 that get it in the neck by the AC, I'd be looking at 3 of the survivors after Ezek 38-- so again, China might be a contender, but Europe is more likely because they tend to work together as a group, and have had more practice telling everyone else how to run their lives. China not so much, --they are too bossy and bullying right off the start, they don't know how to get it done without loud threats. Europe is used to talking the rest of the world into doing things their way, and hiding their intent in a bunch of smiles and good will. That is how Greece got into trouble financially a few years back when they joined the Eurozone, then the German bankers demanded they make big economic changes to deal with all the debt Greece had suddenly enjoyed spending at the start. Not realizing German bankers had teeth.

We won't know till afterwards but it's sure fun to think about.
It would be a lot clearer if we only knew the modern-day identity of the city Babylon that gets destroyed by God during the Trib. Better yet, if only John wasn’t forbidden from writing down what the seven thunders uttered, we might have a very good idea of who, what, where, and when!
 

daygo

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It would be a lot clearer if we only knew the modern-day identity of the city Babylon that gets destroyed by God during the Trib. Better yet, if only John wasn’t forbidden from writing down what the seven thunders uttered, we might have a very good idea of who, what, where, and when!
I think it's the actual city of Babylon, maybe it'll be name changed, don't know but will be the Babylon of old.
 

Richard the Lion

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Something has to.

I put this in the other thread but here's some stuff to ponder

Something stops China from taking over top spot in the world after Ezek 38 knocks out Russia and the gang. It's a head scratcher for sure.

Somehow China is simply not a problem for the rise of the One World Govt and the leader that comes from the former Roman Empire, the AC.

That is something that has made me think something HAS to knock China out because right now they are the other major contender with Russia for world power. Right now the King of Jordan is making nice with Putin when he saw the Afghanistan mess. He wants a protector and fast. China is trying desperately to be the world power, and has been on the heels of Russia making deals all over Africa for years now, and the two together are allied for now, but in a rivalry that once they get rid of America, the fight will be on.

Consequently I think something HAS to take out China on or before Ezek 38 because I think after that war the AC starts to rise or at the very least the call for a global govt and China isn't the leader that steps into place after Russia is knocked out. It's a European-- a descendant of Rome that somehow rises to the top spot among the 10. He takes out 3 kings of the 10 in the process.

Prophetically China doesn't appear at all, till the final 6th bowl judgment when the kings of the east are summoned by the demons to gather at Armageddon. And that doesn't' specify how many kings of the east there are or where exactly the top eastern kings come from. China is one of many eastern nations that will come and gather. If China survives whatever it is, that knocks her out of the running for boss of the world after Ezek 38 takes out Russia.

Revelation 16, the 6th bowl gives us the drying up of the Euphrates, for the kings of the east to come-- but that seems to be in relation to the final siege of Jerusalem and gathering to Armageddon. It's the final judgment

Here's the 2 scriptures to compare. They both mention the Euphrates

Revelation 9 is where we get the 6th trumpet and the 200,000,000 man army so they are different. And it seems that the army belongs to the 4 angels that had been bound at the Euphrates. So those ones seem to be demonic in origins, or at the very least demonic in their power. I know a lot of people including Hal Lindsay in his Late Great Planet Earth tied them to China because for the first time in history a human empire could muster that many troops. But heres where I wonder because it says the 1/3 of mankind killed by the 3 plagues that pours from the mouths of the horses, and that is tied to the 4 angels being given the task of destroying 1/3 of humanity. So that says these horsemen and their horses are under the direct control of the 4 angels loosed out of the Euphrates.

14 Saying to the sixth angel who had the trumpet, Liberate the four angels who are bound at the great river Euphrates.
15 So the four angels who had been in readiness for that hour in the appointed day, month, and year were liberated to destroy a third of mankind.
16 The number of their troops of cavalry was twice ten thousand times ten thousand (200,000,000); I heard what their number was.
17 And in [my] vision the horses and their riders appeared to me like this: the riders wore breastplates the color of fiery red and sapphire blue and sulphur (brimstone) yellow. The heads of the horses looked like lions’ heads, and from their mouths there poured fire and smoke and sulphur (brimstone).
18 A third of mankind was killed by these three plagues—by the fire and the smoke and the sulphur (brimstone) that poured from the mouths of the horses.
19 For the power of the horses to do harm is in their mouths and also in their tails. Their tails are like serpents, for they have heads, and it is by means of them that they wound people.

Now Rev 16 here also in the Amplified Version. Notice it's the 6th trumpet and the 6th bowl or vial in both and both have to do with the Euphrates. This time, the river is dried up for the kings off the east, who are being summoned by demons to gather all the rulers and leaders of the world for war and the place they gather is Armageddon.

12 Then the sixth [angel] emptied his bowl on the mighty river Euphrates, and its water was dried up to make ready a road for [the coming of] the kings of the east (from the rising sun).
13 And I saw three loathsome spirits like frogs, [leaping] from the mouth of the dragon and from the mouth of the beast and from the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For really they are the spirits of demons that perform signs (wonders, miracles). And they go forth to the rulers and leaders all over the world, to gather them together for war on the great day of God the Almighty.
15 Behold, I am going to come like a thief! Blessed (happy, to be envied) is he who stays awake (alert) and who guards his clothes, so that he may not be naked and [have the shame of being] seen exposed!
16 And they gathered them together at the place which in Hebrew is called Armageddon.
17 Then the seventh [angel] emptied out his bowl into the air, and a mighty voice came out of the sanctuary of heaven from the throne [of God], saying, It is done! [It is all over, it is all accomplished, it has come!]

It's a head scratcher alright.

Isn't that 200 million army a match for Joel 2's Unearthly army of demons (they can't be killed and travel far too fast for a human or machine army)?
 

Richard the Lion

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https://freebeacon.com/national-security/emboldened-iran-to-hold-war-drills-with-russia-and-china/

Iran is set to hold a series of war drills with Russia and China, as the hardline regime celebrates the United States' bungled evacuation in Afghanistan and boosts its enrichment of nuclear weapons-grade uranium to historically high levels.

Iranian and Russian leaders announced on Monday that their countries, along with China, will hold joint maritime war exercises in the Persian Gulf later this year or early in 2022, according to Iran’s state-controlled media. The countries said they will focus on "shipping security and combating piracy" as the United States reduces its military footprint in the region following its marred withdrawal from Afghanistan...
When do you think the Jeremiah 49 prophecy will fulfill, if it is a prophecy? What does it? Earthquake? IDF jets? America?
 

katt

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I honestly don't know, but I'll need to read up and pray about Jeremiah 49.
I just read that chapter it says something that has always confused me..

Jerimiah 49:38:
I will set my throne in Elam
and destroy her king and officials,”
declares the Lord.



First, I've heard that Elam is Iran, which is really Persia, is this true?

Next, does this mean Jesus will rule from both Persa or whatever Elam is; and Jerusalem?
 

Rocky Rivera

Well-Known Member
I just read that chapter it says something that has always confused me..

Jerimiah 49:38:
I will set my throne in Elam
and destroy her king and officials,”
declares the Lord.



First, I've heard that Elam is Iran, which is really Persia, is this true?

Next, does this mean Jesus will rule from both Persa or whatever Elam is; and Jerusalem?
Well, worth all the terraforming the Earth will go through during the Trib via earthquakes, won’t that radically change the geography as we know it?
 

Spartan Sprinter 1

Formerly known as Shaun
I just read that chapter it says something that has always confused me..

Jerimiah 49:38:
I will set my throne in Elam
and destroy her king and officials,”
declares the Lord.



First, I've heard that Elam is Iran, which is really Persia, is this true?

Next, does this mean Jesus will rule from both Persa or whatever Elam is; and Jerusalem?
I've read that Elam and Persia were seperate back then but today they are all together under the banner or name of Iran.

Elam currently has a major nuclear facility there and most bible teachers think that Jeremiah 49 relates to the destruction of that which is why Elam isn't sorta mentioned with the Ezekiel 38 coalition.
 
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