Elon Musk to build ‘glorious’ Martian city with 1,000-starship fleet – but warns first visitors ‘will probably die’

antitox

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https://www.thesun.co.uk/tech/12563914/elon-musk-mars-city-starship-fleet-space/


ELON Musk has detailed his plot to build a "glorious" city on Mars – but says early visitors will probably die.

The star-gazing billionaire has reaffirmed his vision for a Martian colony that doesn't rely on support from Earth.


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Musk has previously told of how his Starship rocket – currently in testing – will one day ferry Earthlings to Mars.

And he's said he'll need a fleet of 1,000 ships to create a sustainable city, as orbits mean the trip is only viable once every two years.

Now speaking at the Humans to Mars summit, Musk says the journey won't be the hard part.

"Getting to Mars, I think, is not the fundamental issue," said Musk, as quoted by CNBC.

"The fundamental issue is building a base, building a city on Mars that is self-sustaining.

"We're going to build a propellant plant, an initial Mars base – Mars Base Alpha – and then get it to the point where it's self-sustaining."

Musk is expected to begin orbital Starship test flights next year.

The rocket is designed to be fully reusable, and will allow for long-distance journeys through space.


But the early trips to Mars will be treacherous.

"I want to emphasise that this is a very hard and dangerous difficult thing. Not for the faint of heart," Musk explained.

"Good chance you'll die, it's going to be tough going, but it will be pretty glorious if it works out."

The SpaceX Starship rocket is still very much in a testing phase.

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Resembling a 164ft silver bullet, Starship is the latest rocket designed by SpaceX


And Musk says that the interior and cabin haven't been significantly developed for passengers yet.

"We've got to first make the thing work," he said.

Musk went on: "We're making good progress.

"The thing that really impedes progress on Starship is the production system.

"A year ago there was nothing there, and now we've got quite a lot of production capability.

"So we're rapidly making more and more ships."

Musk previously vowed to put a million people on Mars by 2050.

According to Musk, SpaceX aims to build 1,000 Starships at a facility in South Texas over a 10-year period.

That's 100 rockets per year – a pretty tall feat considering the firm hasn't built a single functioning Starship yet.

Eventually, the Tesla boss added, the goal would be to launch 1,000 Starship flights to Mars every year – an average of three per day.

Each trip would see 100 passengers make their way to the Red Planet to become citizens of a Mars megacity.

Musk was a little vague on what, exactly, colonists would do once they got there. "There will be a lot of jobs on Mars!" he tweeted.

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Tests of Starship are ongoing


The company, based in Hawthorne, California, is currently racing through various safety and engine tests to get the rocket ready.

Based on Musk's projections, it would take a fleet of 1,000 Starships around nine years to carry a million people to Mars.

That's assuming the company really does manage to send up 300 people a day, of course.

When you add the ten years required to build the fleet, the scheme needs to begin within the next decade to have any chance of meeting Musk's 2050 target.

He didn't specify what each rocket would need to carry, but a trunk-full of food, water, fuel and life support systems is a given.
 

ByGod'sGrace

under His wings - Psalm 91:4
Ummm, no thanks.
I read that Elon Musk is the 3rd richest person in the world....
Instead of using his money to help people now on Earth, he's trying to populate Mars.
Who would want to live there?!! Seems like a nightmare of certain death.
I do not think God intends for us to live on other planets and He will not allow it.
This is why I think we are super close to the End Times....
 

Walk Softly

Well-Known Member
Ummm, no thanks.
I read that Elon Musk is the 3rd richest person in the world....
Instead of using his money to help people now on Earth, he's trying to populate Mars.
Who would want to live there?!! Seems like a nightmare of certain death.
I do not think God intends for us to live on other planets and He will not allow it.
This is why I think we are super close to the End Times....

Kinda sounds like a false Rapture in a manner of speaking...
 

AnewcreationinJesus

Soon and very soon ....
https://www.thesun.co.uk/tech/12563914/elon-musk-mars-city-starship-fleet-space/


ELON Musk has detailed his plot to build a "glorious" city on Mars – but says early visitors will probably die.

The star-gazing billionaire has reaffirmed his vision for a Martian colony that doesn't rely on support from Earth.


DD-COMP-MUSK-MARS-MISSION-2.jpg


Musk has previously told of how his Starship rocket – currently in testing – will one day ferry Earthlings to Mars.

And he's said he'll need a fleet of 1,000 ships to create a sustainable city, as orbits mean the trip is only viable once every two years.

Now speaking at the Humans to Mars summit, Musk says the journey won't be the hard part.

"Getting to Mars, I think, is not the fundamental issue," said Musk, as quoted by CNBC.

"The fundamental issue is building a base, building a city on Mars that is self-sustaining.

"We're going to build a propellant plant, an initial Mars base – Mars Base Alpha – and then get it to the point where it's self-sustaining."

Musk is expected to begin orbital Starship test flights next year.

The rocket is designed to be fully reusable, and will allow for long-distance journeys through space.


But the early trips to Mars will be treacherous.

"I want to emphasise that this is a very hard and dangerous difficult thing. Not for the faint of heart," Musk explained.

"Good chance you'll die, it's going to be tough going, but it will be pretty glorious if it works out."

The SpaceX Starship rocket is still very much in a testing phase.

NINTCHDBPICT000477559629.jpg

Resembling a 164ft silver bullet, Starship is the latest rocket designed by SpaceX


And Musk says that the interior and cabin haven't been significantly developed for passengers yet.

"We've got to first make the thing work," he said.

Musk went on: "We're making good progress.

"The thing that really impedes progress on Starship is the production system.

"A year ago there was nothing there, and now we've got quite a lot of production capability.

"So we're rapidly making more and more ships."

Musk previously vowed to put a million people on Mars by 2050.

According to Musk, SpaceX aims to build 1,000 Starships at a facility in South Texas over a 10-year period.

That's 100 rockets per year – a pretty tall feat considering the firm hasn't built a single functioning Starship yet.

Eventually, the Tesla boss added, the goal would be to launch 1,000 Starship flights to Mars every year – an average of three per day.

Each trip would see 100 passengers make their way to the Red Planet to become citizens of a Mars megacity.

Musk was a little vague on what, exactly, colonists would do once they got there. "There will be a lot of jobs on Mars!" he tweeted.

Capture-45.png

Tests of Starship are ongoing


The company, based in Hawthorne, California, is currently racing through various safety and engine tests to get the rocket ready.

Based on Musk's projections, it would take a fleet of 1,000 Starships around nine years to carry a million people to Mars.

That's assuming the company really does manage to send up 300 people a day, of course.

When you add the ten years required to build the fleet, the scheme needs to begin within the next decade to have any chance of meeting Musk's 2050 target.

He didn't specify what each rocket would need to carry, but a trunk-full of food, water, fuel and life support systems is a given.

A trip to Mars ...now there's an offer I can refuse from the man whose name sounds like the latest in a series of deodorants .....
 

Endangered

Well-Known Member
One BIG, BIG, really BIG problem is the Martian atmosphere is very thin. So there is little filtration of ultraviolet radiation. UV kills any living thing, plant or animal. So if you go outside of the city you may just kill yourself.
To me this idea is a pipe dream and no way shape or form practical.
 

antitox

Well-Known Member
One BIG, BIG, really BIG problem is the Martian atmosphere is very thin. So there is little filtration of ultraviolet radiation. UV kills any living thing, plant or animal. So if you go outside of the city you may just kill yourself.
To me this idea is a pipe dream and no way shape or form practical.

Yeah, it's going to be the toughest odds of survival ever.
 

antitox

Well-Known Member
Elon Musk Says Settlers Will Likely Die on Mars. He's Right.
https://www.popularmechanics.com/space/moon-mars/a33900282/elon-musk-says-settlers-will-die-on-mars/

But is that such a bad thing?

Earlier this week, Elon Musk said there’s a “good chance” settlers in the first Mars missions will die. And while that’s easy to imagine, he and others are working hard to plan and minimize the risk of death by hardship or accident. In fact, the goal is to have people comfortablydie on Mars after a long life of work and play that, we hope, looks at least a little like life on Earth.

There are already major structural questions about how humans will settle on Mars. How will we aim Musk’s planned hundreds of Starships at Mars during the right times for the shortest, safest trips? How will a spaceship turn into something that safely lands on the planet’s surface? How will astronauts reasonably survive a yearlong trip in cramped, close quarters where maximum possible volume is allotted to supplies?

And all of that is before anyone even touches the surface.

Then there are logistical reasons to talk about potential Mars settlers in, well, actuarial terms. First, the trip itself will take a year based on current estimates, and applicants to settlement programs are told to expect this trip to be one way.

It follows, statistically, that there’s an almost certain “chance” these settlers will die on Mars, because their lives will continue there until they naturally end. Musk is referring to accidental death in tough conditions, but people are likely to stay on Mars for the duration either way.

When Mars One opened applications in 2013, people flocked to audition to die on Mars after a one-way trip and a lifetime of settlement. As chemist and applicant Taylor Rose Nations said in a 2014 podcast episode:

“If I can go to Mars and be a human guinea pig, I’m willing to sort of donate my body to science. I feel like it’s worth it for me personally, and it’s kind of a selfish thing, but just to turn around and look and see Earth. That’s a lifelong total dream.”

Musk said in a conference Monday that building reusable rocket technology and robust, “complex life support” are his major priorities, based on his long-term goals of settling humans on Mars. Musk hassuccessfully transported astronauts to the International Space Station(ISS), where NASA and global space administrations already have long-term life support technology in place. But that’s not the same as, for example, NASA’s advanced life support projects:

“Advanced life support (ALS) technologies required for future human missions include improved physico-chemical technologies for atmosphere revitalization, water recovery, and waste processing/resource recovery; biological processors for food production; and systems modeling, analysis, and controls associated with integrated subsystems operations.”

In other words, while the ISS does many of these different functions like water recovery, people on the moon (for NASA) or Mars (for Musk’s SpaceX) will require long-term life support for the same group of people, not a group that rotates every few months with frequent short trips from Earth.

And if the Mars colony plans to endure and put down roots, that means having food, shelter, medical care, and mental and emotional stimulation for the entire population.

There must be redundancies and ways to repair everything. Researchers like 3D printers and chemical processes such as ligand bonding as they plan these hypothetical missions, because it’s more prudent to send raw materials that can be turned into 100 different things or 50 different medicines. The right chemical processes can recycle discarded items into fertilizer molecules.
 
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