Electric Cars Are Bankrupting the Auto Industry

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Electric Cars Are Bankrupting the Auto Industry
Only a government ban on cars can save them.
By Daniel Greenfield

Ford reported that it’s going to lose $3 billion on electric cars in 2023.

Unlike most automakers, Ford reports its electric vehicle numbers separately, but experts estimate that most car companies are losing similar amounts on the dead end business.

Ford’s investment in Rivian’s electric cars can’t be helping. Last year the startup electric pickup truck maker was spending $220,000 to make the electric vehicles that it sells for $81,000.

That’s bad news for George Soros and for CalPERS: California’s massive public employees retirement fund and a ticking time bomb which owns hundreds of thousands of shares in Rivian.

GM and Ford both project that their electric cars will be profitable in a few years. Ford plans to make 2 million electric cars every year by 2025. That would be impressive considering that Ford only sold 61,575 of them in 2022. It sold 3,624 electric vehicles in Feb 2023.

That’s a long way from 2 million.

GM plans to sell 1 million electric cars by 2025. It sold less than 40,000 in 2022.

Projections like these might make sense if GM and Ford had hot products and untapped market demand. Instead there are too many electric car models chasing a tiny market. Electric car sales have yet to break the million mark. Most of the electric car activity continues to be concentrated in the luxury SUV market which only has so many buyers able to afford them.

Even the “affordable” electric cars, like GM’s Bolt, start at $30,000, and lose as much as $9,000 for the company.

The only way to create demand for electric cars is through government mandates.

After 2035, if you want to buy a new car in California, it’s electric cars or it’s nothing. California’s mandates that fined car manufacturers, forcing them to buy credits from electric car makers like Tesla, financed the electric car industry. By 2035, California will simply eliminate the competition.

New York, New Jersey, Oregon and Washington have also moved to ban the sale of new cars. About a dozen Democrat states have similarly decided to prevent residents from buying cars. Virginia’s House voted to drop its car ban, but the state’s Senate Democrats have kept it in place. Biden has proposed a similar ban nationwide following its adoption by the EU.

By 2040, GM expects to stop making and selling cars on the assumption of such a ban.

George Soros has reportedly lost over $1 billion with his Rivian investment, and his other electric car investments may seem shaky, but in the long term the leftist politicians he has backed are expected to eliminate the competition and clear cars off the roads and highways.

Automakers are spending billions to build electric cars that no one wants and no one can afford because governments have assured them of a captive market. And after all that money flushed down the drain, their lobbyists are aggressively pressuring legislators to impose new bans and keep the existing bans in place. They’ve also been seduced with the promise of subsidies and tax credits that will free them from the pedestrian business of actually turning a profit.

Woke pension funds and party donors have kept the pressure on to see that it pays off.

Detroit’s bet that customers will just accept this as the new normal and just pay higher prices for worse performance is a bad one. The electric car mandates are the work of a Democrat party that is closely tied to a wealthy elite even as Republicans are becoming a working class party. Assuming that half the country will just accept being priced out of the car market when car ownership remains the key to economic and social mobility is as arrogant as it is clueless.

Even assuming that Republicans remain too dysfunctional and outmaneuvered to significantly roll back the leftist agenda, the new car market will drastically shrink. Americans, like Cubans, will desperately work to keep old cars going because for much of the country they will be the only option. The number of illegal cars on the road will dramatically increase. But as brownouts and energy shortages continue to hammer California and other blue states that have also gone all-in on solar and wind power, those will be the only cars that can actually remain on the road.

Woke car companies will have their monopoly handed to them only to find that it’s worthless.

Like their former European counterparts, American automakers will become even more deeply entangled with the government. The inverse spiral of subsidies and sales will climax in bankruptcies. Detroit has failed to innovate and electric car theater is no substitute for actually doing the work to make the cars that people want rather than the ones ad agencies try to make them want.

Letting government mandates instead of consumer demand drive sales is embraced by companies that have given up on even trying to make an appealing product. If electric vehicles were legitimately popular, it wouldn’t take a ban on cars to make them economically viable.

American automakers used to be revolutionary, now they’re the regime.

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Ghoti Ichthus

Pray so they do not serve alone. Ephesians 6:10-20
$81,000 for a car ~ good night nurse! :faint2 We didn't pay much more than that for our home 32 years ago.

We paid significantly less than that for most of the houses we owned while in service :eek

Now I know how my in-laws felt. They paid $5000 for a modest house in a nice neighborhood after WWII and were aghast at new car prices when they got up over $4000 :mad

A tent and bicycle are looking better all the time :mad :frust :cry
 

fl2007rn

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My dad wouldn't like this at all he worked at GM Fairfax Plant in Kansas City, Kansas for 40 years. He retired in 1987 from GM. This is :loco nuts who can afford them, and then you have the charger to deal with.
Most people don't think about the charger plug that you have to have installed by an electrician. I read that it could cost almost $ 3,000 if you have to have a separate or updated electrical panel added to your house. If you buy an EV this an added cost that you need to plan for.
 

fl2007rn

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EV's are expensive and the Tesla battery range is 267 miles so I could not even get out of Florida without having to charge up. I have a 2022 Honda Accord Hybrid that I paid $27,000 and my range is about 450 miles and I get on average around 40 to 41 MPG. The Hybrid's seem to be the better way to go for efficiency and cost.
 

Tall Timbers

Imperfect but forgiven
EV's are expensive and the Tesla battery range is 267 miles so I could not even get out of Florida without having to charge up. I have a 2022 Honda Accord Hybrid that I paid $27,000 and my range is about 450 miles and I get on average around 40 to 41 MPG. The Hybrid's seem to be the better way to go for efficiency and cost.

Hybrids are a sane idea, especially plug-in hybrids. My F-150 is a Hybrid (not a plug-in)
 

DWB

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And to top it off the whole save the planet thing is just a scam. The lefties are more than willing to ruin everything in order to gain power and money. Remember, it's all based on coveting. Greed, envy, and gimme, gimme, gimme. One day they will win, hopefully we will be long gone.
 
Most people don't think about the charger plug that you have to have installed by an electrician. I read that it could cost almost $ 3,000 if you have to have a separate or updated electrical panel added to your house. If you buy an EV this an added cost that you need to plan for.
There are literally tens of thousands of older homes and apartments that are still using 100 amp service panels. These homes will not be able to retrofit for EV charging stations.

These government mandates have the ability to send the economy into a depression not seen since the 30’s. Better start saving your tinfoil to reuse it like grandma did.
 

fl2007rn

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There are literally tens of thousands of older homes and apartments that are still using 100 amp service panels. These homes will not be able to retrofit for EV charging stations.

These government mandates have the ability to send the economy into a depression not seen since the 30’s. Better start saving your tinfoil to reuse it like grandma did.
I was reading that homes older than 20 years generally have 100 amp service panels. This is going to be a huge financial burden for people living in states that have banned the sale of gas powered cars by 2035. (California, Massachusetts, Maryland, New Jersey, New York, Oregon, and Washinigton).
 

Ghoti Ichthus

Pray so they do not serve alone. Ephesians 6:10-20
Some people get a solar set-up for their EV charging stations. Depending on available rebates, incentives, tax credits, etc., cost for some has been very low. Some also get a dual system so if not enough sunlight, they use household power.

Around here, there are a lot of places with public or private shared charging stations. Some are free, some free for a certain amount of charging per day, week, or month (app or VIN tracked), and some dealerships provide credits in an app for charging. There are also State and County incentive and assistance programs. Some apartments/condos/coops have free chargers for residents or allow residents to hook one up and the electricity is either paid by the landlord or part of the communal electric bill.
 

Ghoti Ichthus

Pray so they do not serve alone. Ephesians 6:10-20
I was reading that homes older than 20 years generally have 100 amp service panels. This is going to be a huge financial burden for people living in states that have banned the sale of gas powered cars by 2035. (California, Massachusetts, Maryland, New Jersey, New York, Oregon, and Washinigton).

Minnesota wanted to go all-green by 2030 (no way that could be up and running that fast, especially because of winter). Then it was EVs by 2030. Then it was 2040. Then 2050. Now they're looking at mandating new vehicle sales EVs or plug-in hybrids by 2040. Seems that very frigid temps and the batteries don't mix :lol And there's the giant elephant in the room no one's talking about: used vehicle sales.

Nothing enacted, yet, but it's coming. Some of the things the State's looking at are the infrastructure to support the vehicles, how to make it "affordable," fast charging, mandating minimum ranges, and without messing up the environment to do it. Someone may have learned from what's happening in California and elsewhere (hopefully, anyway).
 
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