Dr. Phil gives sound Biblical counseling on reducing stress.

lamonte

Well-Known Member
I was born self-centered, with and enter Drive to protect my egos and my “rights.” When I decide that life has not treated me as I have the right to be treated, self-pity is the result. Self-pity causes me to worry which cause stress and obsess over how I have been treated, real or perceived. At the heart of self-pity is a disagreement with God over how life—and He—has treated us.

The biggest clue that self-pity, worry, anxiety is not of God is the word self. Any time I was focused on my self, other than for self-centered leading to repentance “1 Cor 11:28, 2 Cor 13:5”, I am in the territory of the flesh. My sinful flesh is the enemy of the Spirit “Rom 8:7”. When I surrender my life to Christ, my old nature is crucified with Him “Gal 2:20”; Rom 6:6”. The self-ish, sinful part of my life no longer needs to dominate me. When Self is dominant, God is not. We, in effect, have become our own god. C. S. Lewis put it this way: “The moment you have a self at all, there is a possibility of putting yourself first—wanting to be the center—wanting to be God, in fact. That was the sin of Satan: and that was the sin he taught the human race.”

The self-sins do not die easily. They are more difficult to detect than obvious sins, such as immorality and drunkenness “Gal 5:19-20”, because I often consider them friends. Self-confidence, self-seeking, self-admiration, self-indulgence, self-absorption, and self-love are all symptoms of a fleshly nature that has not yet been fully surrendered to Jesus. It was a self-sin that brought Samson down “Judge 16:20” and a self-sin that caused the rich young ruler to turn away from Jesus “Matt 19:21-22”. The self-sins, including self-pity, attest to the truth that, regardless of what we say with our lips, our highest worship is often reserved for ourselves “Matt 29:13; Matt 15:8.

When I indulge in self-pity, I have elevated my importance in my own eyes. “Rom 12:3” says, “Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought.” We are thinking too highly of ourselves when we allow life’s hurts and injustices to dictate our emotional state. Bitterness can quickly override the fruit of the Holy Spirit “Gal5:22” that should be dominating the life of every believer. “1 Thess 5:18-19” tells us that we are not to “quench the Holy Spirit.” Instead, we are to give thanks in everything. It is impossible to give thanks while clinging to self-pity, because, by definition, a self-indulgent attitude is not focused on gratitude to others. Self-pity cannot be thankful at all for what God has allowed.

Rejecting the impulse to feel sorry for myself is not easy. Life provides many opportunities to experience rejection, injustice, and the cruelty of man. Our natural response is self-protection, which often results in self-pity. However, we can choose to “walk by the Spirit, and . . . not gratify the desires of the flesh” “Gal 5:16”. We can refuse to indulge our sin natures and choose instead a grateful heart, trusting that “it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose” “Phil 2:13”. We can look at every opportunity to indulge in self-pity as chance to defeat that old nature. We can choose instead to trust that God “will work everything for the good, to those who love God and are called according to His purpose” “Rom 8:28”.
 

Umbrella Girl

Now we see through a glass, darkly; (1 Cor 13:12)
Stress and worry is not a disease its a choice. Worry and Stress is always self centered
I absolutely disagree with these two statements…

And furthermore, such statements are also harmful to those who struggle with stress, worry, and depression - by adding a sense of guilt and failure to those who are already struggling to keep their head above water on a daily basis…
 

Umbrella Girl

Now we see through a glass, darkly; (1 Cor 13:12)
I was born self-centered, with and enter Drive to protect my egos and my “rights.” When I decide that life has not treated me as I have the right to be treated, self-pity is the result. Self-pity causes me to worry which cause stress and obsess over how I have been treated, real or perceived. At the heart of self-pity is a disagreement with God over how life—and He—has treated us.

The biggest clue that self-pity, worry, anxiety is not of God is the word self. Any time I was focused on my self, other than for self-centered leading to repentance “1 Cor 11:28, 2 Cor 13:5”, I am in the territory of the flesh. My sinful flesh is the enemy of the Spirit “Rom 8:7”. When I surrender my life to Christ, my old nature is crucified with Him “Gal 2:20”; Rom 6:6”. The self-ish, sinful part of my life no longer needs to dominate me. When Self is dominant, God is not. We, in effect, have become our own god. C. S. Lewis put it this way: “The moment you have a self at all, there is a possibility of putting yourself first—wanting to be the center—wanting to be God, in fact. That was the sin of Satan: and that was the sin he taught the human race.”

The self-sins do not die easily. They are more difficult to detect than obvious sins, such as immorality and drunkenness “Gal 5:19-20”, because I often consider them friends. Self-confidence, self-seeking, self-admiration, self-indulgence, self-absorption, and self-love are all symptoms of a fleshly nature that has not yet been fully surrendered to Jesus. It was a self-sin that brought Samson down “Judge 16:20” and a self-sin that caused the rich young ruler to turn away from Jesus “Matt 19:21-22”. The self-sins, including self-pity, attest to the truth that, regardless of what we say with our lips, our highest worship is often reserved for ourselves “Matt 29:13; Matt 15:8.

When I indulge in self-pity, I have elevated my importance in my own eyes. “Rom 12:3” says, “Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought.” We are thinking too highly of ourselves when we allow life’s hurts and injustices to dictate our emotional state. Bitterness can quickly override the fruit of the Holy Spirit “Gal5:22” that should be dominating the life of every believer. “1 Thess 5:18-19” tells us that we are not to “quench the Holy Spirit.” Instead, we are to give thanks in everything. It is impossible to give thanks while clinging to self-pity, because, by definition, a self-indulgent attitude is not focused on gratitude to others. Self-pity cannot be thankful at all for what God has allowed.

Rejecting the impulse to feel sorry for myself is not easy. Life provides many opportunities to experience rejection, injustice, and the cruelty of man. Our natural response is self-protection, which often results in self-pity. However, we can choose to “walk by the Spirit, and . . . not gratify the desires of the flesh” “Gal 5:16”. We can refuse to indulge our sin natures and choose instead a grateful heart, trusting that “it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose” “Phil 2:13”. We can look at every opportunity to indulge in self-pity as chance to defeat that old nature. We can choose instead to trust that God “will work everything for the good, to those who love God and are called according to His purpose” “Rom 8:28”.
I began struggling with severe anxiety from a very young age - under 10 years old. And I don’t think a child of that age is even capable of self-pity yet…

All I know is that tidal waves of anxiety would crash over me, and I was powerless to stop it…
 

Andy C

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As long as we are giving our opinions, mental maladies are not a disease they spiritual issues.
What about those Christians, such as several members on this forum that have battled depression for most of their adult life?

Some diseases can actually cause depression and other similiar issues. My wife, life long, strong in faith Christian has MS. MS can cause depression by attacking nerves in the brain, and its not depression because she has MS, its MS causing the depression.
 

Matthew6:33

Withstand in the evil day. Eph 6:13
There is a lot of truth here. Just remember we all have different life experiences, different sins, struggles, hangups and habits. Each person's road to recovery and salvation is different. God has us all in different places and at different tests in our sanctification. What seems easy for one person may seem nearly impossible for another.

A lot of the time when I am quick to attack or jump the gun about a thought or statement I realize the enemy/flesh may be manipulating me to skew the truth or have me completely overlook it's application In my life.

I struggle with some "mental health" issues I would say. However for me it is highly spiritual and fleshly. When I get back to the Word and crucify my flesh things become clearer.

Things are more complicated than they seem. We need to be led by the Spirit to discern correctly.
 

SarahRose

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My grandma had severe dementia, which caused near constant stress and worry. She definitely didn’t choose that.

I think several things can be true - anxiety, stress, depression, etc. can be caused by mental disorders, spiritual oppression, or dealing with trauma of some sort. Or a combination of these.

God knows our hearts.
 

lamonte

Well-Known Member
Here is a few Quotes

God never fits His word to suit me; He fits me to suit His word.

The greatest test of Christianity is the wear and tear of daily life; it is like the shining of silver: the more it is rubbed the brighter it grows.

All our fret and worry is caused by calculating without God.

Yielding to Jesus will break every form of slavery in any human life.
 

Wally

Say something Righteous and Wholesome...
Perfection is not of this world. But it is the destination of every believer for it is our inheritance in Christ.
Ephesians 1:14
He is the down payment of our inheritance, for the redemption of the possession, to the praise of His glory.

For now, the world we are to live in is broken. That includes illness seen and unseen.

Truly we are not to worry.
Luke 12:25,26
25 Can any of you add a cubit to his height by worrying? 26 If then you’re not able to do even a little thing, why worry about the rest?


But we do.
And you can site all kinds of reasons, good and bad, but we still worry to some degree, yet it doesn't lessen Christ's love for us.

He understands our brokenness. He understands that men will fail. That is part of the reason He came - to do what was impossible for man to do.

Certainly there is spiritual oppression. satan is very active and I'm convinced many of us have felt the darts and oppression.
But not everything is the work of satan - who can only do what he is allowed.

Much of what we encounter is wrought by our own hands.
Either from the curse of our disobedience which has effected this world from day 8 or whenever the fruit was tasted,
to the old nature we are constantly engaging.

And with the throngs of souls who have surrendered to the world its a nasty place to be. Brokenness is all around us and often it refuses to be fixed.

But God's mercy reached beyond all that brokenness. It reaches into us and heals us - maybe not in body - but Spiritually and preserves us through whatever life He has called us to go through.

And like Job, we are called to believe, regardless if the "Why?" is answered or not.

Only the boldest and most self centered would point to a brother or sister suffering and call them Faithless. I have seen such.
Yet we who are blessed with health are not to condemn, but come alongside with Love, compassion, and longsuffering.

When I see a believer who's body is breaking down, it is grieving to see their spirit fade from view.

And we pray Father if you would..... but not our will but Thine be done.

But it is Christ who preserves what is His. He restores and gives new life, and that life starts growing in us here and now.

And even if disease and death hide it from those in the world, In Christ they are even more vibrant than we can imagine.

This is our hope. This is His promise to us. The future is so much more than we can imagine.

And if the here and now sucks, those of us blessed with the gift of faith are to encourage the rest.

Our time here is so short. Endure! Persevere! Believe! Draw from Christ and love like never before. A mustard seed of faith is so small and yet so powerful.

Christ has given a new command; Love one another. The Spirit gives us the ability to do it.

And when the body fails, the Father has appointed us to life, to those who trust Him, who believe in Jesus.

Its certainly not easy, but it is worth every bit of self I can surrender to Jesus.
And when I can't, which is normal, He does. He gave Himself on our behalf. In Jesus I believe.

All Praise Honor and Glory to God and His Christ!
 
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JoyJoyJoy

I Shall Not Be Moved
All our fret and worry is caused by calculating without God.
False news

mental maladies are not a disease they spiritual issues.
Also false.

We all have our crosses to bear..some may have a thorn in the flesh, some have mental issues.
All physical problems won't be healed here on earth, nor will all mental problems. We will all be healed in the resurrection of our flesh.

In the meanwhile His Grace is sufficient for us. His Strength is made perfect in our weakness.
 

Umbrella Girl

Now we see through a glass, darkly; (1 Cor 13:12)
False news


Also false.

We all have our crosses to bear..some may have a thorn in the flesh, some have mental issues.
All physical problems won't be healed here on earth, nor will all mental problems. We will all be healed in the resurrection of our flesh.

In the meanwhile His Grace is sufficient for us. His Strength is made perfect in our weakness.
Amen, Yes we will, and Yes He is!!
 

cheeky200386

Well-Known Member
I’ve struggled with mental illness my entire life and resisted medical and physiological help because religious people always pushed that. Physical chemical issues sometimes require physical medical help. God can heal us and don’t get me wrong… He is the only reason I made it but some people especially people like me who were raised in terrible violent situations need more than the spiritual answer.
A scientific journal just published that Depression is not a result of chemical imbalances. This came out this July 2022. You can look it up and it actually made headlines.
 

cheeky200386

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Strongly disagree. As someone who suffers from stress, depression and anxiety, please do not tell me it is a choice or self centered.
It is a result of doubt in God, lack of faith, consequences of sin, spiritual attack, and can be physical due to poor sleep, poor diet, thyroid issues etc...
 
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