Dr. James Dobson's Open Letter to All Christians Regarding the Upcoming Election

Goodboy

Won't Be Long Now!
In your post on the topic of voting, you didn't present it as just your opinion... Being a born and bred American, I get a little concerned when someone tells me that I'm obligated (on any issue) to do this thing or that thing. If there is any obligation, I want it to be an obligation I impose upon myself, not something that is imposed upon me. It may be a sin for one person to refrain from voting, but not for another.
I said it was my humble opinion. What else do you want me to do? :shrug
 

Goodboy

Won't Be Long Now!
Its also a good thing for me to run, but not a sin if I dont.

Just because republicans appear to be the right side for Christians to vote for, does not mean the GOP is not without blame. Im a solid lifelong member of the GOP, but even I cant remember the last time the GOP tried to over turn Roe v Wade, ban porn, make gay marriage illegal, and a whole bunch of other areas Im sure are real sins.

A presidential candidate needs to earn each and every vote. Trump, because of his untamed tongue (here is where a James verse could be used) has lost some votes.

IMO, its an extreme stretch to apply James 4-17 to voting.

Again, Im voting for Trump.
Each to his opinion, but that was a bad example as there is nothing bad about not running. Not voting could have very bad results!

I will say this though, over eating which I do most of the time is a sin.
 

ByGod'sGrace

under His wings - Psalm 91:4
In your post on the topic of voting, you didn't present it as just your opinion... Being a born and bred American, I get a little concerned when someone tells me that I'm obligated (on any issue) to do this thing or that thing. If there is any obligation, I want it to be an obligation I impose upon myself, not something that is imposed upon me. It may be a sin for one person to refrain from voting, but not for another.
I voted for Gary Johnson in the 2016 election, as in my mind, I could not morally vote for Trump or Hillary. I felt shamed by peers if I didn't vote at all, so I voted for what I thought was the least of all the evils, even though I didn't like Gary Johnson. This time, I will be voting for Trump, even though I don't want to. But I'd rather I cast my vote for him than no one or Biden. I completely understand and support if some are not voting at all. There should be no shaming and no telling people they are sinning if they don't vote. America was founded on rights and it is someone's right and free will if they choose to not vote.
 

Goodboy

Won't Be Long Now!
I voted for Gary Johnson in the 2016 election, as in my mind, I could not morally vote for Trump or Hillary. I felt shamed by peers if I didn't vote at all, so I voted for what I thought was the least of all the evils, even though I didn't like Gary Johnson. This time, I will be voting for Trump, even though I don't want to. But I'd rather I cast my vote for him than no one or Biden. I completely understand and support if some are not voting at all. There should be no shaming and no telling people they are sinning if they don't vote. America was founded on rights and it is someone's right and free will if they choose to not vote.
I am not shaming anyone. I think some of you are missing the point. If I analyzed everything I do though God's eyes, I am sure I commit thousands of sins daily. I am not saying that I or anyone else is better because we vote. I am just saying not voting and a million other things people do are sins whether they want to acknowledge it or not. Jesus made that point to those who thought they were righteous, by telling them how a minor thing is still a sin.

If you or anyone else does not agree, that's fine. I have a right to my opinion and you have a right to yours. I am not forcing anyone to do anything. Just stating what it is I believe. If someone feels guilty, that's not coming from me. Maybe from their own conscious. :shrug
 

Goodboy

Won't Be Long Now!
You are shaming them by telling them its a sin not to vote for Trump.
Oh , so if you tell me that overeating is bad for ones heart, you are shaming me? :shrug

First of all I am expressing my opinion on a forum not speaking to anyone in specific which I think I have a right to do. I don't know who is voting or who is not, so how can I shame anyone. If someone in good conscious feels they should not vote, why would they be ashamed because of what I think. People should only be ashamed if they either know, or suspect they are doing the wrong thing.

If I only cause people to think carefully about their decision even if it's to not vote, that's a good thing. At least they have really thought carefully about the decision they made.
 

Goodboy

Won't Be Long Now!
Had you stuck with the above, no issues. Posting its a sin not to vote crossed a line IMO.
If you read my post I clearly said "that's what I think" not what I know. My other subsequent posts always said in my humble opinion. I never stated any of what I said as a absolute fact. I could say I believe that earth is flat and the bible backs it up. I would be wrong, but as long as it is my opinion I am free to express it. If you noticed, I did not accuse any specific person of anything. You have now accused me of crossing the line. I take no offense, but just making it clear that I just stated my opinion to no one in particular. As in free speech. :shrug
 

Goodboy

Won't Be Long Now!
While I am not mad, I think we all (Including me) should just stick to addressing the issues raised in the threads or posts. I have not attacked or accused anyone specific in this thread, yet I have been accused of being disingenuous, shaming people and crossing the line. These accusations were directed at me, why so I should feel guilty? Everyone should have a right to express their opinion, but I think it is wrong to direct an accusation toward someone, especially when you don't really know their heart.

Again, I am not mad, just again expression my opinion. :hug
 

Goodboy

Won't Be Long Now!
Again brother, read what you wrote. Yes, you stated its your opinion, then followed with you think its a sin not to vote. Thus, telling others if you dont vote, its a sin. Thats my only issue.

Nothing personal GB, you know your my favorite to exchange views with.

I will always vote republican, but my party lately is nothing to brag about. I think at times its a thin line separating the two, with lots of lip service, but nothing serious really gets changed.

The only party who will never let us down, is a party of One. Until He comes, I only expect the worse.
I hate to tell you this but "my opinion" and "I think" mean the same thing in my world anyway. :shrug

I could be wrong, but is seems some have a problem with what I believe is a sin. So here is an example.

A guy is talking to his best friend about an argument he is having with his wife. The argument is about not giving his wife a kiss before he leaves for work. The guy tells his buddy with a laugh, that his wife tells him that he is sinning. The friend laughs real hard and says that's crazy!!! Your wife thinks not kissing her before going to work is a sin? Something is wrong with that lady!

So I agree with the wife. We are supposed to love our wives and put them above our needs and wants, so if she wants a kiss before he leaves for work he should give her one no matter if he wants to or not. I don't know if you agree with me or not regarding this made up story, but it is only to convey that I am not at all saying it is a major sin, just that it is a sin IN MY HUMBLE OPINION. Just like I also believe it's a sin to lay around and be lazy when there is some work you should be doing. Again IN MY HUMBLE OPINION.
 
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Tall Timbers

Imperfect but forgiven
I voted for Gary Johnson in the 2016 election, as in my mind, I could not morally vote for Trump or Hillary. I felt shamed by peers if I didn't vote at all, so I voted for what I thought was the least of all the evils, even though I didn't like Gary Johnson. This time, I will be voting for Trump, even though I don't want to. But I'd rather I cast my vote for him than no one or Biden. I completely understand and support if some are not voting at all. There should be no shaming and no telling people they are sinning if they don't vote. America was founded on rights and it is someone's right and free will if they choose to not vote.

I'd like every eligible voter to vote, but it's a right for eligible voters not a mandate. I agree that citizens in the USA have the right to choose not to vote and it's not my place to mess with their rights.
 

Goodboy

Won't Be Long Now!
That was further down the thread... just saying. My response was based on your original post on the matter.
That's true, in my first post I did not say that, but I did say it before you responded. Also, this is what I actually said " Personally I think not casting your vote is a sin, maybe a very small sin, but a sin none the less". My understanding of "I think" is basically the same as "my opinion". For those who did not get that, I cleared it up in my subsequent posts. Again, before you responded. :shrug
 
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