Does God hear/honor prayers to Mary or the saints?

chaser

We trust you Jesus, you are the only King forever!
Well he needs to read John, probably one of the most important gospels, it show Jesus divinity, and his miracles, and also ties Genesis 1 and John 1 that Jesus is God.
 

Beebee Hei

God’s beloved
Well he needs to read John, probably one of the most important gospels, it show Jesus divinity, and his miracles, and also ties Genesis 1 and John 1 that Jesus is God.

well he did but stopped at chapter 8.
And the fact that they also consider Jesus as God, this gave them the idea that since Mary is the mother of JEsus, she then is the mother of God.... That's included in their litany.
That being said, they believe that Jesus/God will surely honor whatever Mary asks Him, more than He honors the saints' requests. They strongly believe that God respects and honors Mary as his mother. This is the very reason why Catholics would rather pray to Mary for their petitions, rather than direct their prayers to God.
 

greg64

Well-Known Member
This doesn't sound like the Catholic Mary...

While He was still speaking to the crowds, behold, His mother and brothers were standing outside, seeking to speak to Him. Someone said to Him, "Behold, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside seeking to speak to You." But Jesus answered the one who was telling Him and said, "Who is My mother and who are My brothers?" And stretching out His hand toward His disciples, He said, "Behold My mother and My brothers! For whoever does the will of My Father who is in heaven, he is My brother and sister and mother."
Matthew 12:46‭-‬50 NASB
https://bible.com/bible/100/mat.12.46-50.NASB

Or this...

Therefore the soldiers did these things. But standing by the cross of Jesus were His mother, and His mother's sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene. When Jesus then saw His mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing nearby, He said to His mother, "Woman, behold, your son!" Then He said to the disciple, "Behold, your mother!" From that hour the disciple took her into his own household.
John 19:25‭-‬27 NASB
https://bible.com/bible/100/jhn.19.25-27.NASB
 

Seashell

New Member
Catholics don’t believe they are praying to the dead. It’s based on Matthew 22:32. I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'? He is not the God of the dead but of the living." Catholics believe that if you die in Christ then you are living forever in Christ If you don’t and go to hell, then you are dead, if you make it to Purgatory then you will be refined and they believe you eventually get to heaven. They believe you can ask people in heaven to pray for them, the same as I can ask anyone living on the earth to pray for me.
 

DanLMP

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Catholics don’t believe they are praying to the dead. It’s based on Matthew 22:32. I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'? He is not the God of the dead but of the living." Catholics believe that if you die in Christ then you are living forever in Christ If you don’t and go to hell, then you are dead, if you make it to Purgatory then you will be refined and they believe you eventually get to heaven. They believe you can ask people in heaven to pray for them, the same as I can ask anyone living on the earth to pray for me.

All of that is true but God specifically states somewhere to pray to no one else but Him.

The fact that Catholicism believes that purgatory exists is a direct statement that they don't think that Jesus did enough to eliminate ALL of our sins.

The original sin that Adam committed was to not rely on God and God's plan for Adam's life. In effect Adam was saying that Adam was taking control of his own life and didn't want to rely on God for that.

The concept of purgatory just doubles down on that concept. It says that God does only so much and that man will do the rest.

Mankind needs to rely solely and wholly on God for our guidance and deliverance. Not on Mary, not on saints, not on ourselves. God only.
 

ChildofLight

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Catholics don’t believe they are praying to the dead. It’s based on Matthew 22:32. I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'? He is not the God of the dead but of the living." Catholics believe that if you die in Christ then you are living forever in Christ If you don’t and go to hell, then you are dead, if you make it to Purgatory then you will be refined and they believe you eventually get to heaven. They believe you can ask people in heaven to pray for them, the same as I can ask anyone living on the earth to pray for me.
That was pretty much the answer I had gotten from my boss, who went from Church of Christ to Catholic when got married. The last couple of years before he suddenly passed, he was getting more vocal (in a suttle way) in getting people to Jesus. Especially those we knew weren’t saved. I’m still praying for those I worked with that aren’t saved. Can always tell those that aren’t.
 

RonJohnSilver

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For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for all, which is the testimony given at the proper time.
1 Timothy 2: 5-6
 

SkyRider

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The RCC has worked hard to replace Jesus with Mary or their saints :mad2

Right. And they don't waste an opportunity to try to diminish what Christ has done for us, nor to try to point their adherents to anything else other than Jesus as a means of salvation: their priesthood, Mary, purging one's own sins in Purgatory, the Roman Catholic sacramental system of redemption, etc.
 

crossnote

fully dependent upon His grace
Catholics don’t believe they are praying to the dead. It’s based on Matthew 22:32. I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'? He is not the God of the dead but of the living." Catholics believe that if you die in Christ then you are living forever in Christ If you don’t and go to hell, then you are dead, if you make it to Purgatory then you will be refined and they believe you eventually get to heaven. They believe you can ask people in heaven to pray for them, the same as I can ask anyone living on the earth to pray for me.
What promise is there in Scripture that those who pass on (excluding Jesus) hear us?
Scripture says there is ONE Mediator between God and man, the Man Jesus Christ. (Who happens also to be our High Priest).
 

yeshua'sbride

♥ Standing with Israel
Catholics don’t believe they are praying to the dead. It’s based on Matthew 22:32. I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'? He is not the God of the dead but of the living." Catholics believe that if you die in Christ then you are living forever in Christ If you don’t and go to hell, then you are dead, if you make it to Purgatory then you will be refined and they believe you eventually get to heaven. They believe you can ask people in heaven to pray for them, the same as I can ask anyone living on the earth to pray for me.
Are you a practicing Catholic, Seashell?
 

Annie

Be A Berean!
Catholics don’t believe they are praying to the dead. It’s based on Matthew 22:32. I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'? He is not the God of the dead but of the living." Catholics believe that if you die in Christ then you are living forever in Christ If you don’t and go to hell, then you are dead, if you make it to Purgatory then you will be refined and they believe you eventually get to heaven. They believe you can ask people in heaven to pray for them, the same as I can ask anyone living on the earth to pray for me.

Catholics don’t believe they are praying to the dead? They may not believe they are praying to the dead when in fact, according to the Bible, they ARE.

My mother, who remains in the RCC, and I recently had a conversation about the Catholic Mary. She says she doesn't pray to Mary so I asked her why then do they have the Hail Mary prayer?
And why do they pray to Catholic Saints. Who are also dead :hmmm
 

lismore

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God has provided His Son, Jesus Christ, to be the mediator between man and God (1 Timothy 2:5). With Jesus Christ as our mediator, we can go through Jesus to God. Why would we want to go through a sinful dead individual, especially when doing so risks the wrath of God?

Yes. The curtain of the temple was torn in two when Jesus died, his death opening up a new and living way for us to reach God directly. Therefore the Catholic position is at best a huge step backwards, going once again through some kind of mediator. God Bless :)
 
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