Delusion is spreading

[Tall Timbers]

I would say so.

Moose and bear aren't known for overeating up here. Wolves, on the other hand, are a gluttonous lot... which is one of the reasons why I don't hang with them.

 

[Everlasting Life]

So is this how it’s supposed to work? Not a corporate thing?
I’ve only ever seen some marital issue addressed as church discipline and I really only heard about after the fact.
Never anything else so I don’t have any firsthand experience with it.

These are some ways I've seen.

I think it can be one on one (1st step of Matt 18) sometimes a few others (wise and Spirit filled, perhaps with certain knowledge and expertise) may need to come along as a 2nd step and in some cases church leadership may need to address as a 3rd step.

When I've seen church leadership or a more corporate action, usually what's happening is another key leader is needing some help. And that usually is addressed more quietly at first and then, as needed announced to the church, usually if a leader is stepping down and what remedy actions are taking place to bring healing, restitution and any further needed protective actions.

But, if a brave soul, seeing a brother or sister struggling in a way that's going to be big trouble down the line, prayerfully does that one on one first step of Matt 18 in a timely manner, that can save a lot of trouble later and not get to further actions needed.

In it all lots of humbleness, love, grace and following God's Word.

 

[Andy C]

Moose and bear aren't known for overeating up here. Wolves, on the other hand, are a gluttonous lot... which is one of the reasons why I don't hang with them.

Im afraid your going to stand out like a caged animal when you move from the Alaskan wilderness, and into a big housing subdivision.

 

[Tall Timbers]

Im afraid your going to stand out like a caged animal when you move from the Alaskan wilderness, and into a big housing subdivision.

I do suspect I'll have to learn to behave in a culturally appropriate fashion.

 

[Andy C]

I think that the Church needs to first of all come alongside someone, in grace and compassion when when one is caught up in persistent sin that's hurting themselves and others, as Galations 6 talks about (remembering we all could be there or have been there) and Matthew 18 is a guide on how to gently come along side with one who's struggling (and I believe there's a difference between a believer who's absolutely unresponsive and entrenched in sin vs one who's found themselves in sin and seeking God's strength, help and power in this - such as a recovering alcoholic) to be of loving, caring assistance and to keep things from getting to the last part of Matthew 18 if at all possible. I think each case will have its own degrees of this process, depending on how the Holy Spirit leads.

Sorry, I got tied up in a fruitless sidebar, and failed to acknowledge your excellent response to church discipline. I dont think a church is restricted just to the areas Paul wrote about, but those are some of the most obvious sins that would be plain for all to see. The key for me in whom to apply this to is the one who “practices” the lifestyles of sin, and will not repent, vice one who may occasionally backslide in sin.

 

[Jan51]

The church that eats together grows together.

Takes less people to fill up those pews.....

 

[Bedra1958]

Im glad Im not an outsider looking in because a few areas in this thread between 4 different members is very confusing.

And a couple seem like trolls, very argumentative and divisive.

 

[Amethyst]

And a couple seem like trolls, very argumentative and divisive.

What a harsh thing to say. Who are these couple posters you’re speaking of?

Brethren in Christ can disagree without being called a “troll.”

 

[Andy C]

What a harsh thing to say. Who are these couple posters you’re speaking of?

Brethren in Christ can disagree without being called a “troll.”

Its certainly not you! Troll was probably not the best word, but one member left me completely without words to respond, and thats not an easy thing to achive.

 

[Amethyst]

Its certainly not you! Troll was probably not the best word, but one member left me completely without words to respond, and thats not an easy thing to achive.

I don’t even know who she was talking about but said a “couple” meaning more than one. And likely the people in this thread that have been members longer than she has, hardly trolls, which implies deviancy.

 

[Andy C]

What a harsh thing to say. Who are these couple posters you’re speaking of?

Brethren in Christ can disagree without being called a “troll.”

I enjoyed reading your line of questioning and comments about church discipline, and I thought it was well presented by all sides! Thought provoking !

 

[Andy C]

I don’t even know who she was talking about but said a “couple” meaning more than one. And likely the people in this thread that have been members longer than she has, hardly trolls, which implies deviancy.

I had to reread that post because I initially read it as a troll, vice trolls.

 

[Amethyst]

I enjoyed reading your line of questioning and comments about church discipline, and I thought it was well presented by all sides! Thought provoking !

I appreciate that …although you and I both know i talk too much on threads and I try to curtail that ::::Lord help me::: but I find sometimes people misunderstand what I’m asking or I have to clarify a lot in multiple posts

 

[Andy C]

I appreciate that …although you and I both know i talk too much on threads and I try to curtail that ::::Lord help me::: but I find sometimes people misunderstand what I’m asking or I have to clarify a lot in multiple posts

Well I never once pushed a thread or member too far…….

No, you dont talk to much, and even when we disagree, I still enjoy exchanging posts with you. Anyone who makes me think hard can never go wrong in my mind.

 

[Amethyst]

Well I never once pushed a thread or member too far…….

No, you dont talk to much, and even when we disagree, I still enjoy exchanging posts with you. Anyone who makes me think hard can never go wrong in my mind.

Thanks buddy,

 

[yeshua'sbride]

Its certainly not you! Troll was probably not the best word, but one member left me completely without words to respond, and thats not an easy thing to achive.

That post grieved my spirit. It still does. Thankfully the post was removed, but I feel a public apology to you is in order.

 

[cheeky200386]

Also, Catechism is not good that is teaching Catholic dogma which is one of the biggest cults out there.

I hear Reformed Calvinists talking about teaching Catechism to their children in homeschool circles. I immediately know it's false and it's just frustrating.

 

[cheeky200386]

A catechism is a book for instruction in the basics of faith.

Various denominations have catechisms. Not just Catholic.

Lutherans use Martin Luther's Small and Large Catechisms. Luther's Small Catechism includes the Ten Commandments (numbered differently than the Baptists), Lord's Prayer, Apostles' Creed, Baptism, and Holy Communion, all with simple explanation. The catechisms printed as a book instead of a little pamphlet have more information. A lot of the 2017 edition is viewable as a preview on Amazon.

There's a Baptist Catechism (1689 Baptist Confession of Faith and Catechism, aka Keach's Catechism), plus more modern versions and translations. Also Presbyterian, Methodist, Orthodox, Copt, Church of England, Episcopalian, etc. catechisms.

That's news to me. I'm Baptist and have never been taught or heard of a Catechism. That only reminds me of the Catholic Church I was raised in.

 

[cheeky200386]

What if a church doesn’t have memberships?

They need to be asked to leave that fellowship and not return until they have repented.

 

[Andy C]

They need to be asked to leave that fellowship and not return until they have repented.

Your post confuses me? Leave a church if it does not membership? Repent?