This is an open conversation with many participants and viewers. Almost always my thoughts that end up in posts are for the audience at large.
Delusion is spreading
- Thread starter Len
- Start date
This is an open conversation with many participants and viewers. Almost always my thoughts that end up in posts are for the audience at large.
Yep, and with the epidemic of obesity came with govmint dietary guidelines that have been taught over the last several decades. I would say obesity in adults is epidemic as well. Time to eat more hamburgers and less rice and corn.
Not sure if this comment applies on this thread, but carbs are my best friends…..
I like carbs too! I think all runners do. But... where's the beef????
My generation grew up skinny as we were fortunate enough to just beat out the unhealthy diet that was pushed by the govmint and taught from shore to shore in the USA ever since. If you're younger than I am than your generation is mostly obese and eating poorly, and were brought up under the govmint guidelines that were the primary contributor to that.
Everlasting Life
Through Faith in Jesus
I understand what you’re saying, of course.
But my question more pertains not to the alcoholic (who needs to repent), but to which sins are to be addressed in regard to church discipline?
Only the sexual sins? Only drunkenness sims?
As an aside, I actually do think it affects the rest of the members when some sins are given a pass and others are not.
Well, I think that a church would need to take things case by case.
There may be other things ticking in a situation that may need addressing, where the 'sin' is the coping mechanism or symptom of a deeper issue. There's been some situations where sin or perceived sin has exposed a secondary issue that actually is the root and needs addressing...like a health issue, or mental health. I think that's where the Matthew 18 process is great because one who's got a relationship with another believer, is close and has developed trust can go to their brother or sister in Christ, in love and simply say, "Hey, I notice this..... and I'm concerned for you. What's going on, how can I pray for/help you?"
I know of a case where there was a developing inappropriate relationship at a church and Godly people came alongside to help the people involved. In their compassionate help it was discovered that one of the individuals had a mental health issue that needed addressing and this in turn alleviated other snowballing issues as well.
Of course addiction to drugs is harmful but even more is perhaps the pain being covered by those drugs from sinful actions towards that person and in turn a need to forgive and set necessary boundaries.
Sometimes eating issues can be connected to other more serious challenges, bad information on healthy eating as TT referred to, or simple genetics (not to mention everyone is so very different in their genetics and dietary needs and may not realize certain changes that need to happen until they find the right doctor). My husband, who's such a wonderful man, exercises, eats as healthy as he can but has genetic proclivities that makes being as thin as our society would advocate an impossibility. He struggles to keep his weight down but does what he can, otherwise he's healthy. I would hope that if someone had a concern they would first pray for him and then privately talk with him out of loving concern if it's something they feel led to do. At that point, my husband could simply help that person understand the situation better.
Another person might be dealing with stress in an unhealthy way, etc.
And hopefully a healthy church has some ways for good conversations to happen, such as in various kinds of small groups meeting over God's Word, giving a platform for people to be able to share their struggles and ask for prayer for God's help.
Wally
Say something Righteous and Wholesome...
I like carbs also. Holley 4 bbl on a 273 is sweet.I like carbs too! I think all runners do. But... where's the beef????
Amethyst
Angie ... †
of course it would be
Not would it be loving to
Go up to them and insult them and embarrass them in such a way.
I disagree with you about (the reason) the majority of people who are 50 + lbs overweight
I see the portions people put on their plates
And the portions that thinner people put on their plates. This is real life here.
It’s always been made a. Joke “let’s all pig out”
Food is good, it just is. And it’s a temptation to indulge every time.
We see more and more and more children who are becoming overweight by the time they’re in their mid 20s they are going to have horrible knee and joint issues. This is not a loving or benign things to let your children indulge in or develop habit of with food
I live in Midwest
Maybe it is more prevalent here than in Alaska
Amethyst
Angie ... †
Sorry I thought you were quoting my post
Amethyst
Angie ... †
Firstly thank you for addressing my actual question.
So is this how it’s supposed to work? Not a corporate thing?
I’ve only ever seen some marital issue addressed as church discipline and I really only heard about after the fact.
Never anything else so I don’t have any firsthand experience with it.
I didn’t know if scripture was only regarding with specific sins in terms of discipline that I am missing in my own readings
Because it seems to be only the big 3 that people want to address typically.
Wally
Say something Righteous and Wholesome...
Perhaps it's more a sign of the times,
So much stress, conflict, depression.... everyone is eating for comfort.... and then they stress about eating .....and eat more.
Amethyst
Angie ... †
Absolutely. Also speaking from experience SSRI's make you more hungry in general. It's common to be on one of them.
I probably did if it was your post that generated my thought. That doesn't mean I'm gonna necessarily limit my thoughts to the content of your post.
I think you run in different circles than I do.
During the last couple of decades that I've volunteered in K-12 schools, I'd say obesity is happening large scale during the single digit ages and beyond.
Amethyst
Angie ... †
kay well i was clarifying what i personally meant.
Amethyst
Angie ... †
I would say so.
I would say so.
Moose and bear aren't known for overeating up here. Wolves, on the other hand, are a gluttonous lot... which is one of the reasons why I don't hang with them.
Everlasting Life
Through Faith in Jesus
These are some ways I've seen.
I think it can be one on one (1st step of Matt 18) sometimes a few others (wise and Spirit filled, perhaps with certain knowledge and expertise) may need to come along as a 2nd step and in some cases church leadership may need to address as a 3rd step.
When I've seen church leadership or a more corporate action, usually what's happening is another key leader is needing some help. And that usually is addressed more quietly at first and then, as needed announced to the church, usually if a leader is stepping down and what remedy actions are taking place to bring healing, restitution and any further needed protective actions.
But, if a brave soul, seeing a brother or sister struggling in a way that's going to be big trouble down the line, prayerfully does that one on one first step of Matt 18 in a timely manner, that can save a lot of trouble later and not get to further actions needed.
In it all lots of humbleness, love, grace and following God's Word.
Similar threads
