Delusion is spreading

[Amethyst]

I am giving examples of other types of idolatry not having to do with your eating

I was referring to you saying an idolater would be a sports fanatic
Does that mean I am not to eat with a sports fanatic or did you mean something else that has gone over my head?
@lightofmylife im referring to the verse quoted that says do not even eat with such a one like an idolater
Are we reading the same cited scriptures ?

 

[Amethyst]

Even if people worship God and other things too, they are still committing idolatry. These other things can include money, possessions, status, power, position, almost anything you can name that becomes as important as God, including life itself.

Agree with the definition of idolatry
Can you elaborate on the quesiton I asked light of my life?

 

[Tall Timbers]

And certainly Americans are addicted to carbs

Most are just trying to eat healthy because they were taught their entire lives to eat more carbs and less of other things that it turns out is better to eat more of. I don't think it's addiction or preference, but a lifetime of being told what's good for you and what's not... and most people want to be healthy.

 

[SarahRose]

I like the question @Andy C posed...I think it was Andy....when did churches first start memberships vs showing up??? Interesting thought.

I would like to know this too! It's a good question.

 

[Amethyst]

I didn't say anything about eating with a sports fanatic. I was using idolatry as an example that had nothing to do with food.

Yes it does in context of the verses quoted previously

 

[lightofmylife]

I am not referring to food at all relating to a sports fanatic. I am not saying someone who goes to a sports event can't eat with other people. Idolatry is placing anything in such high regard over God that it is taking the place of worship over him.

 

[Amethyst]

Most are just trying to eat healthy because they were taught their entire lives to eat more carbs and less of other things that it turns out is better to eat more of. I don't think it's addiction or preference, but a lifetime of being told what's good for you and what's not... and most people want to be healthy.

I was never taught to eat carbs I was always told carbs make you sleepy especially if the pastas variety

I would not say I am 10-20 pounds overweight And it’s always been a battle to fight to be a good weight
Indulgence in food runs in my famoyl

 

[Tall Timbers]

But my question more pertains not to the alcoholic (who needs to repent), but to which sins are to be addressed in regard to church discipline?
Only the sexual sins? Only drunkenness sims?

As an aside, I actually do think it affects the rest of the members when some sins are given a pass and others are not.

Unless the sin becomes known, nobody will know about it to address it.

 

[Amethyst]

I am not referring to food at all relating to a sports fanatic. I

sis with due reapect that’s not what I am referring to.
Strictly of idolatry and “not eating with such a one”
I’m going off the example you yourself gave.

 

[lightofmylife]

Unless the sin becomes known, nobody will know about it to address it.

I am thinking of this scripture let all things be done unto moderation. This could be said of overeating.

 

[Amethyst]

Unless the sin becomes known, nobody will know about it to address it.

But I am not talking about those

 

[Andy C]

Im glad Im not an outsider looking in because a few areas in this thread between 4 different members is very confusing.

 

[Tall Timbers]

I am a member of my church.

Before this church, I was never a member any where.

I've considered myself a member of numerous churches over the years, but never had a formal joining of sorts. Then there's some churches I've attended where I didn't consider myself a member for personal reasons, but really there was no difference on the surface of things. At the church where I became their financial trustee I never signed anything saying I was a member. It was just assumed by those in charge and by me to, I guess. The current church I'm "visiting" on Sundays is one I'd never join, and they have a formal joining process. I've never had a formal joining process that I faced. It would be a bummer if you tried to join a church and they said no.

I have thought about "accountability" over the years. I think it is a rare congregation that would handle that very well in this day and age. These times we're living in...

 

[Amethyst]

.. and most people want to be healthy.

overweight diabetes and obese children is an epidemic in this country

 

[Amethyst]

think it is a rare congregation that would handle that very well in this day and age

I am finding that very apparent in this thread alone
I can’t even get simple “yes” or “no” from anyone
It’s all just scripture that dances around my questions.

 

[Amethyst]

Im glad Im not an outsider looking in because a few areas in this thread between 4 different members is very confusing.

I find your side conversation with 2 other members confusing as well! Glad I’m not alone

 

[Tall Timbers]

I was never taught to eat carbs I was always told carbs make you sleepy especially if the pastas variety

I would not say I am 10-20 pounds overweight And it’s always been a battle to fight to be a good weight
Indulgence in food runs in my famoyl

Were you raised in the US or somewhere else? Were you homeschooled? If you were raised in the USA and you went to public school or watched television you were taught the govmint's version of healthy eating which loaded you with carbs and less of everything else. If you were raised in a third world country you probably were fed whatever was available and had no education related to nutrition/diet. If you were raised in Europe or in most parts of Asia then I have no idea...

Of course, most of the world is obese now, it's not just an issue with Americans.

 

[Andy C]

Were you raised in the US or somewhere else? Were you homeschooled? If you were raised in the USA and you went to public school or watched television you were taught the govmint's version of healthy eating which loaded you with carbs and less of everything else. If you were raised in a third world country you probably were fed whatever was available and had no education related to nutrition/diet. If you were raised in Europe or in most parts of Asia then I have no idea...

Of course, most of the world is obese now, it's not just an issue with Americans.

Not sure if this comment applies on this thread, but carbs are my best friends…..

 

[Amethyst]

Were you raised in the US or somewhere else? Were you homeschooled? If you were raised in the USA and you went to public school or watched television you were taught the govmint's version of healthy eating which loaded you with carbs and less of everything else. If you were raised in a third world country you probably were fed whatever was available and had no education related to nutrition/diet. If you were raised in Europe or in most parts of Asia then I have no idea...

Of course, most of the world is obese now, it's not just an issue with Americans.

In the good old USA in public school
They did away with lectures of the food groups Heath by the time I was in HS in the eastern* part of the country anyway
I can tell you now my generation (30s) was thinner when we were in high school and got to eating more and more and more as we got into our late 20s
I know this form an experience
I cannot speak to you about your generation

People dont want to talk about food because they Like to indulge in it.

Also a major movement today is The Fat Acceptance movement

 

[Tall Timbers]

I am thinking of this scripture let all things be done unto moderation. This could be said of overeating.

Absolutely. The thing is, with the diet that has been fed to us in America for many decades now, you can become quite obese over time without really overeating. Lifestyle plays in to that as well, but diet is the main culprit.

Our bodies, when healthy and when eating healthy self regulate in most cases. Eat too much and your appetite should decrease. Don't eat enough and you should start feeling very hungry. Case in point. The other day I had two chili dogs for lunch. That was too much but it seemed like a good idea at the time. At dinner time that evening I could hardly eat the little bit I put on my plate. One of the problems with the junk food end of carbs is all those empty calories throw things off balance and in the cases of many the body is no longer able to self-regulate in a healthy way.

When I see an obese person,, or many obese people, because whenever I step out of the house the majority of people my eyes come across are anywhere from obese to morbidly obese my first thought isn't, "oh they're guilty of the sin of gluttony". I don't believe that the amount of "extra" pounds a person is carrying around with them is even an indicator of the sin of gluttony.

Was it the Romans or Greeks who'd stuff their faces then puke their guts out, then resume stuffing their faces? That, is gluttony. When you visit a buffet like the OK "golden" Corral and your eyes come across a person with rolls and rolls of fat, maybe a few hundred pounds of it, and they've got three large plates of food in front of them heaped 6 inches high, I see that as gluttony. I also have to admit I admire how they're able to put so much food on a plate and not have it all fall off... I'd hate to be standing behind an expert like that at a potluck...

So if a person in the congregation is carrying extra pounds around, and probably 80% or more of the congregation is, and probably 80% or more of the posters and visitors here are, I don't believe it is by itself a sign of gluttony, and it would be a mistake to assume so without more evidence.