Good post! However, if it was in response to my last two post, I dont think it disputed what I posted.The general pattern for marriage is given in Genesis. Leave parents, get married, and then be fruitful and multiply.
Adam and Eve were married (how wonderful to have God, Himself, officiate).
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
Genesis 1:26-28, KJV
24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.
Genesis 2:24-25, KJV
16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.
21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the Lord God make coats of skins, and clothed them.
Genesis 3:16-21, KJV
1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the Lord.
25 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.
Genesis 4:1, 25, KJV
When talking about divorce, Jesus confirmed the original pattern for marriage was given in Genesis:
3 The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?
4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
7 They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?
8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.
9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
Matthew 19:4-9, KJV
Days of Lot vs today
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Good post! However, if it was in response to my last two post, I dont think it disputed what I posted.
Bohdan
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Sodom and Gomorrah may have been big cities by the standards of the time and place, but it could not have been more than a few thousand individuals, in a world where long distance communication meant a fast horse.
Recorded in the Bible for our edification, but really a local phenomenon by modern standards.
Compare to today's international empire of Sodomy.
Recorded in the Bible for our edification, but really a local phenomenon by modern standards.
Compare to today's international empire of Sodomy.
lightofmylife
Blessed Hope-Prepare To Fly!
This is what Jack Kelley's reply was to incest. https://gracethrufaith.com/ask-a-bible-teacher/god-create-cains-wife/
JoyJoyJoy
I Shall Not Be Moved
Our gene pool today is degraded. A pregnancy that is the result of 2 closely related people can result in a baby with serious *defects*, for lack of a better word.
Think how much more pure the gene pool was at that time...not such a great risk for the child.
We abhor incest in today's generation and rightly so. Glad you posted Jack's article, which is in line with what @Lastcall was saying.
lismore
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Hello! The story of Lot in Genesis 19 is set at night. I think the test would be to look at what things are like at night, when people loose inhibitions, they think the darkness will hide what they're doing and the true self comes out. The power of lawlessness is to an extent more restrained during daylight than at night. Often I have to work late evenings for the job I'm in, sometimes coming home through the city after midnight or in the wee small hours, it's terrifying. Drunk, demonized and mentally ill people running amok, nothing the authorities can or will do, they've lost control of the streets after dusk. I've had to run for it several times, if anything Sodom seemed more civilized. God Bless
We're here! My goodness this world is terrible maybe even worse than Lot's time.
lightofmylife
Blessed Hope-Prepare To Fly!
It is really bad when drag queens are performing in the church. This is disgusting
these churches are worldly. Believers are to be in the world not of it.He did have married daughters..but they chose to stay with their husbands..among many I'm sure..It is one of the reasons Lot's wife looked back.. I've often wondered why the whole clan didn't leave.. even if the husbands didn't understand that they were angels, they had to know the two strange men meant what they said when the men blinded every homosexual in town..
lismore
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A big sign of the last days seems to be a corporate failure in the church- weird things are done and corporately the people just go along with it. God BlessIt is really bad when drag queens are performing in the church. This is disgusting
ItIsFinished!
Blood bought child of the King of kings.
Most of the recorded stories in the Bible where alcohol is consumed evil is conceived.
As liberal as Bill Maher is every once in a while he tells the truth about some absurdity that the left spouts.While most of us don't agree with Bill Maher very often, this was a good observation about his childhood: "I wanted to be a pirate. Thank God no one scheduled me for eye removal and peg leg surgery.”
kathymendel
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They may not be breaking down the door.............. but, they are active in the children's section of our libraries, they are active in our school curriculums,
they are active in our politics. They are active in our courts - both civil and supreme. They didn't need flags and parades in Sodom....... they were THE culture of Sodom. Lot knew he could offer his daughters, cuz he knew they would not want them. (Still wasn't the right thing to do in my mind, tho.)
When I read of all the things humans have planned to be accomplished by 2030............. I pray that might mean we will be out of here in 2023, leaving seven years for God to show the humankind left behind that they had it all wrong, and carries out his prophecied dealings with them.
I agree with you. Even if there were no AC entering the picture the things these evil people have planned for the world is scary to think about. Depopulation, worldwide socialism, owning nothing and being happy, climate change, etc.. That in itself will be hell on earth. Throw in the AC and it is out of control. Jesus has to come to save the earth. Thank God!
RedRx
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You want a sign of the end times? This is about as good as it gets. If things are so bad ultra liberals like Bill Maher starts to call them out as wrong then I guess I would have to argue we’re much closer to the Rapture.
ChildofLight
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Remember in Lot’s day it was the judgement of 2 cities and what we see was sexual sin. Today there is a whole lot more in play, more souls at stake and the whole world will be judged. Today we would have to compare to Noah’s day. The Bible tells us there was immense evil but we truly have no idea how bad it was. I cannot imagine the horrors that must have been happening at that time to save only 1 family and a lot of animals and then all creation destroyed.
Trying to imagine how Noah must have felt with sinful family members and the coming event. Maybe it was so evil that he was looking forward to the coming flood.
Trying to imagine how Noah must have felt with sinful family members and the coming event. Maybe it was so evil that he was looking forward to the coming flood.
cheeky200386
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The Bible said the World was filled with violence. There are still parts of this world where you can feel pretty safe, even keep your doors unlocked. I'm curious how much violence there was in Noah's day.
Matthew6:33
Withstand in the evil day. Eph 6:13
Right but the Restrainer is here now.
cheeky200386
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Thank God for that.
cheeky200386
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I think we still have a long ways to go to see a World that is filled with violence to merit it being like Noah's Day. I do think that will change as crimes keep getting ignore and encouraged. I wouldn't be surprised if it gets to the point where people become afraid to leave their homes and have to resort to forming community watches.
Or the USA could fall and the rest of the World gets even darker than now. I haven't been to Inland Europe so I don't know how safe the streets feel. I know Scotland has lots of open land where you could easily avoid seeing another human all day.
I'm just curious how bad the world would have to get to qualify being like Noah or Lot's days. Open rape isn't encouraged anywhere that I'm aware muslim countries are pretty wacked out so Idk about there. I'm not worried that humans will become extinct, unless nuclear war starts.
Rome and Greece had Open Pedophilia and Homosexuality, yet we're still here.
I just imagine that would have to be a World where Christians aren't safe anywhere but are in hiding to gather. Where rape, murder, cannibalism are commonplace and there is no recorse. Then I would say, ok this is as bad as we can get, help! As sad as things are today, this seems like peanuts to what Ancient civilizations must have been like where Christianity wasn't a big influence.
ItIsFinished!
Blood bought child of the King of kings.
One thing for everyone to keep in mind, like the days of Noah... will be during the Tribulation when the Redeemed will no longer be here.
They become like the days of Noah because the
restraint of the Holy Spirit is pulled back.
What we are seeing presently is the stage being set for this wickedness to flourish.
The earth is moaning and groaning .
The abyss is restless and waiting to be unleashed.
I personally believe The "man of sin" is on the scene being seasoned and peppered accordingly to unleash his literal Hellish agenda.
This world is reaching a level of depravity of epic proportions that screams judgment from a Holy , righteous, and just God.
The Bride must be swept away by the Groom first!