Days of Lot vs today

heisable2

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The days of Lot were an evil time as stated in the Bible.
Lot's family was removed before total destruction.

Today is an evil time. Using Lot's time in comparison to today, can we get more evil?
How?

The climate of our society has taken a deep nose dive. The actions of the LGBT.... groups are everywhere. The Pride parade in Seattle almost seems to be the last straw. The destruction of our children is non ending.

I know we are close to Jesus taking us home. Besides the OWG coming down the pike, what else does Satan plan to increase evil?

Not sure if my question was clear. How can we measure our time here in 2022 to Lot and Noah's time?
 

Matthew6:33

Withstand in the evil day. Eph 6:13
We still may have a little more to go... Can't remember last time I had the guys over and the neighbors banged down the door wanting to have sex with them. Then a reasonable response would have been to offer my own daughter up. Seems like we aren't there yet. Getting closer though.
 

SkyRider

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We still may have a little more to go... Can't remember last time I had the guys over and the neighbors banged down the door wanting to have sex with them. Then a reasonable response would have been to offer my own daughter up. Seems like we aren't there yet. Getting closer though.
That is a strange response by Lot regarding his daughter's. I can just imagine their reply at his proposal:”DAAAADDDD!!!!! You can kiss off getting anything for Father's Day!!!!

Hardly a plot line from the old Father Knows Best series.
 
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Patreesha

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I think we are in the days of Noah because of gene manipulation. Like the Nephilim before the flood, the covid virus and vaccines are messing wit our genes, among other nefarious things scientists are working on. I think we are in the days of Lot because of gay pride. We may not have them breaking down the door but they are thumbing their noses at God with the pride thing. I don't think they had pride parades and a special flag in Sodom. We're so close!
 

Kerbluey

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We still may have a little more to go... Can't remember last time I had the guys over and the neighbors banged down the door wanting to have sex with them. Then a reasonable response would have been to offer my own daughter up. Seems like we aren't there yet. Getting closer though.

That’s funny but true. I agree. As bad as things are they could be A LOT worse morally; legal and celebrated child rape, public sex of every kind and species, public torture for entertainment (like gladiators), etc. Maybe it’ll get that bad pre rapture or maybe that’s for the trib.
 

SarahRose

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Personally I think the psychological manipulation and physical mutilation that's going on in the transgender area, especially with children, is a sign we're at least getting closer to the same kind of evil as the days of Lot. It seems to be getting more in-your-face every day.
 

SarahRose

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I think a lot of the same evils that were going on back then are technically going on now, except it's a lot more deceptive and manipulative. I'm thinking like sex trafficking, drug addiction, homelessness, the LGBTQ agenda...there is a ton of money involved in each of these issues which is why they continue to get worse. IMHO.

I do agree that it could be (and will get) worse. Just wondering if today's evil is more deceptive because of how the world has "advanced" since the days of Lot.

Hm...
 

heisable2

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I think a lot of the same evils that were going on back then are technically going on now, except it's a lot more deceptive and manipulative. I'm thinking like sex trafficking, drug addiction, homelessness, the LGBTQ agenda...there is a ton of money involved in each of these issues which is why they continue to get worse. IMHO.

I do agree that it could be (and will get) worse. Just wondering if today's evil is more deceptive because of how the world has "advanced" since the days of Lot.

Hm...
I like your final comment "Just wondering if today's evil is more deceptive because of how the world has "advanced" since the days of Lot.'

That makes s lot of sense. Things are more deceptive. We don't see them clearly.


So, we are closer than we think to seeing Jesus. Satan is "cloaking" his dirty deeds. With that confusion in mind, YES,........almost there.
 

Nemophilist

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The days of Lot were an evil time as stated in the Bible.
Lot's family was removed before total destruction.

Today is an evil time. Using Lot's time in comparison to today, can we get more evil?
How?

The climate of our society has taken a deep nose dive. The actions of the LGBT.... groups are everywhere. The Pride parade in Seattle almost seems to be the last straw. The destruction of our children is non ending.

I know we are close to Jesus taking us home. Besides the OWG coming down the pike, what else does Satan plan to increase evil?

Not sure if my question was clear. How can we measure our time here in 2022 to Lot and Noah's time?
I understand what you're saying and I agree. On the one hand, I don't see how mankind could get any more evil. Especially when you consider there's a lot we're not being told by the "news" media. On the other hand, things really could be worse. We could have a severe food famine, nations could start nuking each other, and many more terrible scenarios. All I know is, I really, really long for our Lord and Savior to return for us (after my loved ones are saved).
 

yrrek

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We still may have a little more to go... Can't remember last time I had the guys over and the neighbors banged down the door wanting to have sex with them. Then a reasonable response would have been to offer my own daughter up. Seems like we aren't there yet. Getting closer though.
The response could be in a different form though. If anyone says anything against the lgbt… you are torn apart. They may not be trying to rape your guests but being called homophonic/transphobic if you don’t agree and having them destroy your life is pretty close in my book. Some people lose their jobs and get their reputation destroyed over that stuff. The hate is there.

The people who lost everything because they wouldn’t make a cake for a gay wedding is an example. Instead of going to a different cake place they destroyed the life of a 70 year old woman.
 

NewWine2020

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That is a strange response by Lot regarding his daughter's. I can just imagine their reply at his proposal:”DAAAADDDD!!!!! You can kiss off getting anything for Father's Day!!!!

Hardly a plot line from the old Father Knows Best series.
As an unsaved young person, probably around 12 yrs old, ( being dragged to church, like cargo), while I very much disliked Church (full of hypocrites, right?) I was still interested in the Bible and I DID read it as I sat in the pews, (pointedly NOT singing) it was crazy stuff, kind of like Lord of the Rings to me back then.

Of all the stuff I read, I always hated and despised Lot the very most for his action of offering up his own daughters to be gang raped, likely to death...really think about the horror of that. The terror, the absolute betrayal of daughters he is supposed to love and protect in the name of some stupid, patriarchal "Guest Right" custom that would fit very nicely into an episode of Game of Thrones.

It's sections of the Bible like this that are EASILY used by those who hate us to paint Bible believers as reprobate, patriarchal abusers.

Now, having been saved (MUCH later in life) and learning to trust God in all things I can see that part of the intent was to show how, even Lot, who, with his family alone was deemed worthy to save out of the whole city had succumbed in a fashion to the horrible culture he tried to live in, his character was poisoned or he never would have thought this was a good plan. They were alao NOT Christ followers as this was the Old Testament.

As to the original question about how we could, as a culture get MORE evil, I would say the gradual acceptance of pedos ( (rebranded as MAPS: for "Minor attracted persons") and the embrace of the elite of transhumanism which sounds like sci fi but is (in my opinion) utterly demonic.
 
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Footsteps

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As an unsaved young person, probably around 12 yrs old, ( being dragged to church, like cargo), while I very much disliked Church (full of hypocrites, right?) I was still interested in the Bible and I DID read it as I sat in the pews, (pointedly NOT singing) it was crazy stuff, kind of like Lord of the Rings to me back then.

Of all the stuff I read, I always hated and despised Lot the very most for his action of offering up his own daughters to be gang raped, likely to death...really think about the horror of that. The terror, the absolute betrayal of daughters he is supposed to love and protect in the name of some stupid, patriarchal "Guest Right" custom that would fit very nicely into an episode of Game of Thrones.

It's sections of the Bible like this that are EASILY used by those who hate us to paint Bible believers as reprobate, patriarchal abusers.

Now, having been saved (MUCH later in life) and learning to trust God in all things I can see that part of the intent was to show how, even Lot, who, with his family alone was deemed worthy to save out of the whole city had succumbed in a fashion to the horrible culture he tried to live in, his character was poisoned or he never would have thought this was a good plan. They were alao NOT Christ followers as this was the Old Testament.

As to the original question about how we could, as a culture get MORE evil, I would say the gradual acceptance of pedos ( (rebranded as MAPS: for "Minor attracted persons") and the embrace of the elite of transhumanism which sounds like sci fi but is (in my opinion) utterly demonic.
A school board director in Washington State has organized a sex symposium for nine year olds. The agenda is so inappropriate I’m not going to list one item. But it is significant to note that to get to the symposium the attendees will have to walk past Wink Wink - a sex shop open to all ages OWNED BY the school board director.
 

penbrat

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A school board director in Washington State has organized a sex symposium for nine year olds. The agenda is so inappropriate I’m not going to list one item. But it is significant to note that to get to the symposium the attendees will have to walk past Wink Wink - a sex shop open to all ages OWNED BY the school board director.
Oh my. I googled this. Unbelievable and disgusting. Satan's going after our children big time.
 

NewWine2020

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A school board director in Washington State has organized a sex symposium for nine year olds. The agenda is so inappropriate I’m not going to list one item. But it is significant to note that to get to the symposium the attendees will have to walk past Wink Wink - a sex shop open to all ages OWNED BY the school board director.

I saw that the other day...wow. This lady is a very sick person. There's this stereotype that all molesters are dudes (and it probably IS mostly "men") but this woman gives a perfect example of how twisted and vile a woman can be as well.
 

SarahRose

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A school board director in Washington State has organized a sex symposium for nine year olds. The agenda is so inappropriate I’m not going to list one item. But it is significant to note that to get to the symposium the attendees will have to walk past Wink Wink - a sex shop open to all ages OWNED BY the school board director.
:puke

This is so wrong...I haven't been following local news as much lately. I guess I shouldn't be surprised seeing as how the seattle pride parade went
 

SarahRose

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I saw that the other day...wow. This lady is a very sick person. There's this stereotype that all molesters are dudes (and it probably IS mostly "men") but this woman gives a perfect example of how twisted and vile a woman can be as well.
She says she is gender affirming so maybe she thinks she is a man, or was a man, or will one day be a man :shrug

But yes, women can be evil.
 

Jaybird

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I like your final comment "Just wondering if today's evil is more deceptive because of how the world has "advanced" since the days of Lot.'

That makes s lot of sense. Things are more deceptive. We don't see them clearly.


So, we are closer than we think to seeing Jesus. Satan is "cloaking" his dirty deeds. With that confusion in mind, YES,........almost there.
I think this is a good point. I agree that it is probably worse due to technology. Technology can be either good or evil. Both the Internet and cell phones have certainly made many things convenient, but there is also an evil side to it. They didn't have online pornography that is readily available with just a few mouse clicks in Lot's day! They don't need to go house to house because they can probably just find someone online with some phone app or website. The evil in Lot's day was limited by their technology, but evil is evil and some things never change lime the depravity of man.
 

daygo

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A school board director in Washington State has organized a sex symposium for nine year olds. The agenda is so inappropriate I’m not going to list one item. But it is significant to note that to get to the symposium the attendees will have to walk past Wink Wink - a sex shop open to all ages OWNED BY the school board director.
Makes you just want to give up doesn't.
 

Footsteps

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I think this is a good point. I agree that it is probably worse due to technology. Technology can be either good or evil. Both the Internet and cell phones have certainly made many things convenient, but there is also an evil side to it. They didn't have online pornography that is readily available with just a few mouse clicks in Lot's day! They don't need to go house to house because they can probably just find someone online with some phone app or website. The evil in Lot's day was limited by their technology, but evil is evil and some things never change lime the depravity of man.
Both technology and drugs that Sodom lacked make it appear we have left Sodom behind. And this may be a stretch, but Lot was willing to give up his daughters (different motivation) - but if States give their children to the alphabet people, the perverse education can become instilled in countless young minds for generations.
 
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