Daniel 9:25 = Prophecies for Two Comings?

Soon

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Daniel 9:25 states:

"Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times"

After the first coming, we now know that Jesus entered Jerusalem 69 weeks after the commandment to restore and build Jerusalem = 7 + 62 weeks = "seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks".

However, why does everyone seem so absolutely convinced that this couldn't represent two separate timelines? After all, if it was just one timeline why wouldn't God have instead said: "Messiah the Prince shall be threescore and nine weeks"?

Recent Event Timeline:

Timeline (Chronology) of Israel and Zionism to 1967: "May 28, 1948: Jewish quarter of the old city of Jerusalem falls to the Jordan Legion. The inhabitants were protected from the wrath of a lynch mob by the Legion under Abdullah Tell, and noncombatants were expelled to West Jerusalem. About 300 Haganah defenders were taken prisoner and sent to Jordan. The entire quarter including 58 of the 59 synagogues was demolished by the Arab mob despite efforts of the Legion."

AIPAC - Six-Day War 40th Anniversary: "Not a single Jew remains in the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem", a Jordanian military commander said, "Not a single building remains intact. This makes the Jews' return here impossible."

On April 1, 1969 [14 Aviv 2759, Passover Eve], the Knesset voted to consider rebuilding the Jewish Quarter (the essence of the original, ancient Jerusalem). This was put to study, approval to rebuild was given and construction officially began shortly thereafter (to quote the title of a Bryan Adams song: "It was the Summer of 69").

Some interesting Math:

1969 + 7 x 7 = 2018, which "just happens" to match Jack Kelley of Gracethrufaith.com's best guess of 2018 = 1948 + 70 = 2018. Jack Kelley's best guess is outlined in the following link:

In Support Of A 2011 Rapture | GraceThruFaith: "Psalm 90:10 says an average Biblical lifespan is 70 years. Isaiah 23:15 confirms this. 1948 plus 70 brings the 2nd Coming to 2018."

I am NOT date setting (certainly no more so than Jack Kelley). I am merely trying to illustrate mathematically that our feelings that the Rapture must be very soon is indeed backed by solid logic!!

In conclusion, I still haven't seen an adequate explanation as to the purpose of why God would split the Daniel 9:25 timeline into two dates = 7 AND 62 years if it was meant to predict just one event. To reiterate what I said above, if it meant to outline just one timeline, why would He not merely say 69 years straight out? After all, since when has God ever communicated using more words than He has to (after all, He is the very model of efficiency)? I'm just saying...
 

Soon

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7 Sevens to Rebuild Jerusalem: By the way, I have studied the theory that the first 7 7s refer to the time it would take for Jerusalem to be rebuilt. However, where is the documentation that this was the timeline (I couldn't find any historical documentation on this). Unless someone has this proof, I just can't make a 49 year timeline for rebuiliding make sense to me. Let me show you why:

Imagine, after years of repression, the Jews have just been told that they can return and rebuild Jerusalem. These are highly-motivated, highly-skilled, hard-working labourers. Even unmotivated, unskilled, lazy labourers could rebuild this small city in less than ten years. But these guys - come on. I can't see how it would take them more than 5 years to rebuild the city. They certainly wouldn't need 49 years.

7 Sevens to Rebuild the Temple: I have also studied the theory that the first 7 7s refer to the time it would take for the Temple to be rebuilt. Again, how do we know the Temple did indeed take 49 years to build (again, I couldn't find any historical documentation on this). Even if the Temple did take 49 years, if the prophecy was referring to the building of the Temple, why wouldn't God specifically outline this. A fact that can't be denied is that the prophecy refers to the decree to restore Jerusalem. It says nothing at all about the time needed to rebuild Jerusalem or the temple, just that it would happen between the decree and when Messiah would appear.

Converging timelines: IMO, it seems much more mathematically logical to see two separate timelines in this prophecy, one for each of His comings. The fact that 1948 (Israel) + 70 (generation), 1967 (Jerusalem) + 50 (Jubilee) & 1969 (Jewish Quarter) + 49 (7 weeks) all point to the same general year (2018) certainly appears to bear witness to this being a strong possibility. Even if someone can provide SOLID proof of either event taking 49 years, such convergence cannot be mathematically denied.
 

Keith Johnson

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I have also wondered about these verses (Dan 9:24-27). The best answer I have found is in a book by T.W. Tramm
quoted below with appropriate excerpts. I do not believe this author is date setting per your rules 11-18 but is
instead stating historical facts and understanding from Sir Isaac Newton's writings. Please advise if you think otherwise.


Rediscovered writings of preeminent genius, Isaac Newton. A little-known fact is that Newton, who wrote extensively on Bible prophecy, believed that chapter 9 of Daniel pointed not only to the precise year of Christ’s first coming (as is widely acknowledged) but also to the year of His second coming.

The first part of verse 25, which, if Newton was correct , may hold some critical if not earthshaking information for those seeking the timing of Christ’s return. Know and understand this: From the issuing of the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One, the ruler, comes, there will be seven sevens… —Daniel 9: 25

The first thing we note in verse 25 is the mention of the time marker that was just discussed in regard to verse 24, which is the “decree to restore and rebuild” Jerusalem. This decree to restore Jerusalem also comes into play here in verse 25, albeit, as we will see, in a slightly different sense. The second thing to note is the fact that we are no longer speaking of the period of “seventy sevens,” or 490 years, mentioned in verse 24, but of a much shorter period of “seven sevens.” Gabriel tells Daniel to “Know and understand” what this timespan of “seven sevens” signifies. We also notice that the focus of this period of seven sevens is on an “Anointed One” who comes as a “ruler.” According to Gabriel, this ruler will come “seven sevens” or forty-nine years (the span of one Jubilee) after a “decree” is issued to “restore and rebuild” Jerusalem. Obviously, the “Anointed One,” or “ruler,” mentioned here is a reference to Christ. So, in essence, Gabriel is telling Daniel that Jesus will come forty-nine years after this particular decree to restore Jerusalem. But which restoration ? Clearly it cannot be the same call to return and rebuild the city in 457-458 BC that started the aforementioned 490 year “clock” ticking, nor could it have been the later call to rebuild the wall around Jerusalem recorded in Nehemiah chapter 2, as both of these occurred centuries before Christ’s arrival, far out of range of this span of only forty-nine years. Faced with this, Newton reasoned, quite logically, that the forty-nine years must refer to the prophesied future, or end-times, restoration of Jerusalem and therefore the Second Coming of Christ. As we learned earlier, the dual nature of Bible prophecy was a concept not lost on Newton. In fact, He recognized that virtually every prophecy in the Old Testament concerning the First Advent of Christ, in some way or another, also related to the Second Advent.

Yet Newton had even further justification for pinning this verse to the Second Coming: In his writings, he notes that there is an obvious distinction drawn between the Jesus we find here in verse 25, who is referred to as a “ruler,” and the Jesus who is described elsewhere in the passage simply as the “Anointed One,” or, as Newton puts it, a “Prophet.” In Newton’s own words: “The former part of the prophecy related to the first coming of Christ, being dated to his coming as a Prophet; this being dated to his coming to be a Prince or King, seems to relate to his second coming. There the Prophet was consummate, and the most holy anointed : here he that was anointed comes to be Prince [ruler] and to reign” . Here, Newton keys in on an aspect of verse 25 often overlooked and concludes that the period of “seven sevens,” or forty-nine years, must relate to the Second Coming because it refers specifically to Jesus appearing as a “ruler .” Obviously, at Christ’s first appearance He came not to rule but to willfully lay his life down as the “sacrificial lamb.” Thus, Jesus would not assume His role as “ruler” until His return at the end of the age.

To sum up, then, based on the fact that Jesus is here referred to as a “ruler” and also the fact that the span of forty-nine years does not fit the timeline of the First Coming, Newton concluded that this part of verse 25 must refer to the Second Coming. This event, he maintains, will take place exactly forty-nine years after a future return to “restore and rebuild” Jerusalem. Of course, the fact that this period of “seven sevens,” or forty-nine years, is equivalent to the span of a jubilee cycle was not lost on Newton either. Here, he notes that this particular cycle would likely begin and end with actions that comport to the “highest nature” of jubilee: “As the seventy and the sixty-two weeks were Jewish weeks, ending with sabbatical years; so the seven weeks are the compass of a jubilee, and begin and end with actions proper for a jubilee and of the highest nature for which a jubilee can be kept” .

Again, Newton’s insight is astounding. Roughly three hundred years ago, when the idea that Israel might someday be reborn as a sovereign Nation was thought preposterous, he predicted—based on verse 25— that immediately following a future Jewish return to and restoration of Jerusalem, God’s prophetic clock would begin ticking off a forty-nine year jubilee cycle that would culminate in the long-awaited return of Jesus Christ! Needless to say, Newton must have been thrilled to have been allowed this insight. Moreover, considering his desire to unlock the secrets of the prophecies , he would have likely given anything to see the missing piece of the puzzle fall into place, which was, of course, the date that this final restoration of Jerusalem would take place. Thus, the current generation, had Newton been capable of seeing into the future, would have been the focus of his envy.

The reason, for those not familiar with modern Jewish history, is a historical event that took place a little more than four decades ago at the conclusion of the 1967 Six day War: the Jewish recapture and restoration of the Holy City of Jerusalem! Indeed, history records that on June 7, 1967 the Jews recaptured East Jerusalem, liberating it from the Jordanians and reuniting the Holy City under Jewish rule for the first time in roughly two thousand years. Soon after, on June 28, Israel’s parliament (The Knesset) promulgated and adopted a law that stated:

“The Government is empowered by a decree to apply the law, the jurisdiction and administration of the State to any part of Eretz Israel (Land of Israel-Palestine), as stated in that decree.” Tramm, T.W. (2013-09-16). 2012-2015: The Season of Return? (Kindle Locations 774-822). . Kindle Edition.
 

Chris

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Hopefully this will help:

The End Times According To Daniel ... Part Two, Chapters 8 And 9 - Gracethrufaith

Daniel 9

Fast forward 13 years to 538BC. Daniel is an old man by now, probably in his eighties. He’s been in Babylon for nearly 70 years and has learned from reading Jeremiah’s account of the Babylon’s conquest that Israel’s period of captivity was nearly over. God had told Jeremiah that it would last for 70 years, and then Babylon would be defeated and the Jews would be set free to rebuild their country. (Jeremiah 25:11-12)

The reason for this judgment was Israel’s insistence upon worshiping the false gods of their pagan neighbors. Its duration of 70 years came from the fact that for 490 years they had neglected to let their farmland lie fallow one year out of every seven as God had commanded in Leviticus 25:1-7. The Lord had been patient all that time but finally had sent them to Babylon to give the land the 70 years of rest that were due it. (2 Chron. 36:21)

While praying one day, confessing Israel’s sins and reminding God of His promise to restore them, (Daniel 9:1-23) Daniel was visited once again by the Angel Gabriel, who interrupted his prayer to reveal more of Israel’s future, once again expanding the visions of chapters 7 and 8 with a four verse overview of things to come.

Many believe that Daniel 9:24-27 is the most important passage of prophecy in all of Scripture. Almost every mistake I’ve run across in studying the various interpretations of End Times Prophecy can be traced back to a misunderstanding of this passage. Let’s read the whole thing to get the big picture and then take it apart verse by verse.

Seventy weeks are determined upon your people and your Holy City to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most Holy. Know and understand this: From the issuing of the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until The Anointed One the Ruler comes there will be seven weeks and sixty two weeks. It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench but in times of trouble. After the sixty two weeks the Anointed One will be cut off and have nothing. The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue till the end and desolations have been decreed. He will confirm a covenant with many for one week. In the middle of the week he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a wing of the Temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation until the end that is decreed is poured out on him (Daniel 9:24-27).

No prophecy in all of Scripture is more critical to our understanding of the end times than these four verses. A few basic clarifications are in order first, and then we’ll interpret the passage verse by verse. The Hebrew word translated weeks (or sevens) refers to a period of 7 years, like our word decade refers to a period of 10 years. It literally means “a week of years.” So 70 weeks is 70 X 7 years or 490 years. This period is divided into three parts, 7 weeks or 49 years, 62 weeks or 434 years, and 1 week or 7 years. Let’s begin.

Seventy weeks are determined upon your people and your Holy City to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most Holy (place) (Daniel 9:24).

These 6 things would be accomplished for Daniel’s people (Israel) and Daniel’s Holy City (Jerusalem) during a specified period of 490 years. I’ve inserted the word “place” after Holy at the end of the verse to clarify the fact that it refers to the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem.

Know and understand this: From the issuing of the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until The Anointed One the Ruler comes there will be seven weeks and sixty two weeks. It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench but in times of trouble. (Daniel 9:25).

Here is a clear prophecy of the timing of the First Coming. When this message was given to Daniel by the Angel Gabriel, Jerusalem had lain in ruin for nearly 70 years and the Jews were captive in Babylon. Counting forward for 62 + 7 periods of 7 years each from a future decree giving the Jews permission to restore and rebuild Jerusalem, they should expect the Messiah. That’s a total of 483 years after the decree is issued.

Here it’s important to distinguish the decree that freed the Jews from their captivity from the one that gave them permission to rebuild Jerusalem.

When he conquered Babylon in 535BC Cyrus the Persian immediately freed the Jews. It had been prophesied 150 years earlier in Isaiah 44:24-45:6 and was fulfilled in Ezra 1:1-4. But according to Nehemiah 2:1 the decree to rebuild Jerusalem was given in the first month of the 20th year of his reign by King Artaxerxes of Persia (March of 445 BC on our calendar, about 90 years later).

Exactly 483 years after that the Lord Jesus rode in to Jerusalem on a donkey to shouts of “Hosanna”, on the only day in His life He permitted His followers to proclaim Him as Israel’s King, fulfilling Daniel’s prophecy to the day! The Hebrew in Daniel 9:25 calls Him Messiah the Prince, denoting the fact that He was coming as the Anointed Son of the King and was not yet crowned King Himself.

In Luke 19:41-45, He reminded the people of the specific nature of this prophecy. As he approached Jerusalem and saw the city, he wept over it and said, “If you, even you, had only known on this day what would bring you peace–but now it is hidden from your eyes. The days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment against you and encircle you and hem you in on every side. They will dash you to the ground, you and the children within your walls. They will not leave one stone on another, because you did not recognize the time of God’s coming to you.” He held them accountable for knowing Daniel 9:24-27.

A few days later He extended that accountability to us. “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’ spoken of through the prophet Daniel–let the reader understand– then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. (Matt 24:15) We are also required to understand Daniel 9 in reference to the Great Tribulation and 2nd Coming.

After the sixty two weeks the Anointed One will be cut off and have nothing. The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue till the end and desolations have been decreed (Daniel 9:26).

First came 7 sevens (49 years) and then 62 sevens (434 years) for a total of 69 sevens or 483 years. At the end of this 2nd period their Messiah would be executed (literally destroyed in the making of a covenant) having received none of the honor, glory and blessing the Scriptures promised Him, and the people of a ruler yet to come would destroy Jerusalem and the Temple. The Israelites would be scattered abroad and peace would elude the world.

We all know that Jesus was crucified, establishing the New Covenant in the process, and 38 years later the Romans put the torch to the city and the Temple destroying both. Surviving Jews were forced to flee for their lives and in the ensuing 2000 years I don’t believe a single generation has escaped involvement in a war of some kind.

And then something strange happened: The Heavenly clock stopped. 69 of the 70 weeks had passed and all that was prophesied to happen during those 483 years had come to pass but there was still one week (7 years) left. There are hints in the Old Testament that the clock had stopped several times before in Israel’s history when for one reason or another they were out of the land. And in the New Testament we’re also told that while God is dealing with the Church, time ceases to exist for Israel (Acts 15:13-18). But the clearest indication that this is the case is that the events foretold in Daniel 9:27 simply haven’t happened yet.

He will confirm a covenant with many for one week. In the middle of the week he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a wing of the Temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation until the end that is decreed is poured out on him (Daniel 9:27).

Here is the missing 70th week, but before we try to understand it let’s recall a rule of grammar that will help make our interpretation correct. The rule is this: Pronouns refer to the closest previous noun. “He” being a personal pronoun refers to the closest previous person, in this case the “ruler who will come.” So a ruler who will come from some part of the old Roman Empire will confirm a 7 year treaty with Israel that permits them to build a Temple and re-instate their Old Covenant worship system. 3 1/2 years later he will violate this treaty by setting up an abomination that causes the Temple to become desolate, putting an end to their worship. This abomination brings the wrath of God down upon him and he will be destroyed. This is the Little Horn of Daniel 7:8 and the end times fulfillment of the one called “Another Horn” in Daniel 8:9, first fulfilled by Antiochus Epiphanes.

The most obvious way in which we know these things haven’t happened is that the Jewish Old Covenant worship system requires a Temple and there hasn’t been one since 70 AD when the Romans destroyed it.

Some say this prophecy was fulfilled during the Roman destruction of 70 AD but most believe it’s yet future, partly because of the term Abomination that causes Desolation. As Gabriel told Daniel, in the time of wrath there would be a second, greater fulfillment of the prophecies from his vision of chapter 8. Another king would arise and repeat the things Antiochus had done, one of which would be to stand in the Temple and declare himself to be God, and demand that the people worship a statue of him on pain of death. Both Paul (2 Thes. 2:4) and John (Rev. 13:14-15) confirmed these things.

Jesus said that this event would kick off the Great Tribulation (Matt 24:15-21), and Paul said the anti-Christ would be the one to do it (2 Thes 2:4). The blasphemies of Antiochus had not been specifically repeated when the Romans destroyed the Temple, and there hasn’t been another Temple since. The similarities between this coming event and the one from history being so obvious, most scholars are persuaded that one points to the other since nothing in the intervening years fits so completely.

Soon And Very Soon

Following a devastating war in the Middle East, a new leader will soon emerge on the scene. With great personal charisma and a plan end to all wars, he will captivate and control the world. Since all true believers will have recently disappeared from Earth, he’ll have no trouble persuading most remaining inhabitants that he is the promised Messiah, the Prince of Peace. He will astound and amaze them all with feats of diplomacy and conquest, even performing the supernatural. But when he claims to be God, all hell will break loose on Earth and 3 1/2 years of the most terrible times mankind has ever known will threaten their very existence.

But before they’re all destroyed the real Prince of Peace will return and overthrow this imposter. He will set up His kingdom on earth, a kingdom that will never be conquered nor left to another. Having given His life to finish transgression, put an end to sin, atone for wickedness and bring in everlasting righteousness, and having fulfilled all Biblical vision and prophecy, He will anoint the most Holy Place and receive all the honor, glory and blessing the Scriptures promised Him. Israel will finally have her Kingdom restored and will live in peace with God in her midst, and you and I as the bride of the Christ will rule and reign with Him forever. If you listen carefully, you can almost hear the footsteps of the Messiah.
 

Chris

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Plus this:

Daniel's 70 Weeks - Gracethrufaith

Daniel’s 70 Weeks
Saturday, July 22nd, 2006
Bible Study,
Daniel's 70th Week, Prophecy

Question: Why are the first 69 of Daniel’s 70 weeks split into two parts of 7 and 62, respectively? Is there any significance with regard to that split? In other words, why isn’t it just mentioned as 69 weeks? I can’t help thinking there may be some significance, particularly with the number 7.

Answer: There’s no specific reference I can give you on the reason for this division of time. But there seems to be a consensus among scholars that the first 7 “sevens” represent the 49 years it took Israel to rebuild Jerusalem under Nehemiah’s leadership. Since rebuilding the city was a key element of the prophecy, it makes sense to distinguish the time it required from the rest.

The remaining 62 sevens, or 434 years, cover the inter-testamentary period, from the end of Malachi to the beginning of Matthew, plus the life of Jesus. When combined, these periods of time total 483 years, the exact duration of time between the date when Persian King Artexerxes Longimonus granted Nehemiah permission to re-build Jerusalem and the crucifixion of the Lord Jesus. Once again, historical events have confirmed Bible prophecy.
 

mattfivefour

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Plus this:

Daniel's 70 Weeks - Gracethrufaith

Daniel’s 70 Weeks
Saturday, July 22nd, 2006
Bible Study,
Daniel's 70th Week, Prophecy

Question: Why are the first 69 of Daniel’s 70 weeks split into two parts of 7 and 62, respectively? Is there any significance with regard to that split? In other words, why isn’t it just mentioned as 69 weeks? I can’t help thinking there may be some significance, particularly with the number 7.

Answer: There’s no specific reference I can give you on the reason for this division of time. But there seems to be a consensus among scholars that the first 7 “sevens” represent the 49 years it took Israel to rebuild Jerusalem under Nehemiah’s leadership. Since rebuilding the city was a key element of the prophecy, it makes sense to distinguish the time it required from the rest.

The remaining 62 sevens, or 434 years, cover the inter-testamentary period, from the end of Malachi to the beginning of Matthew, plus the life of Jesus. When combined, these periods of time total 483 years, the exact duration of time between the date when Persian King Artexerxes Longimonus granted Nehemiah permission to re-build Jerusalem and the crucifixion of the Lord Jesus. Once again, historical events have confirmed Bible prophecy.
For what little it is worth, this also is my own conclusion after much consideration.
 

RandallB

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I agree with Jack & Adrian.

I also agree with Sir Robert Anderson when he and the British Royal Observatory calculated that the end of the 69 weeks occurred on the day their Messiah rode that donkey thru the East Gate.

Jesus confirms this when He pronounces their judgement:

"If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes. . . . because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation" (Luke 19:42,44).
He held them responsible to know the Day that He was coming.... because it was foretold to them.
 

twit

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I agree with Jack & Adrian.

I also agree with Sir Robert Anderson when he and the British Royal Observatory calculated that the end of the 69 weeks occurred on the day their Messiah rode that donkey thru the East Gate.

Jesus confirms this when He pronounces their judgement:



He held them responsible to know the Day that He was coming.... because it was foretold to them.


And a few verses before... 37 And when he was come nigh, even now at the descent of the mount of Olives, the whole multitude of the disciples began to rejoice and praise God with a loud voice for all the mighty works that they had seen; 38 Saying, Blessed be the King that cometh in the name of the Lord: peace in heaven, and glory in the highest. 39 And some of the Pharisees from among the multitude said unto him, Master, rebuke thy disciples. 40 And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if you tthese should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out. 41 ¶And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it...

And in Matt 23... 37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! 38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. 39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

.... I will go and return to my place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek my face: in their affliction they will seek me early, Hosea 5:15. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool, Psalm 110:1.
 

RandallB

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Picked up some stones near the East Gate when we were there.

Have them on display in entry way cabinet.

Included with the stones are a couple tiny parchment scrolls with the words:
"Choir practice tonight -- Just in Case!"
in Standard Stone Font dated "Day before Palm Sunday"

Has gotten a few conversations going.
 

livingskies

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2018 doesn't work for the second coming, as the rapture has to be 7+ years prior.... And it's past 2011. But, it could be the year of the rapture, which won't be mathematically calculatable :)
 

RandallB

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So many look in scripture to find out what a generation length is.

That is not what the Lord stated.

He stated that the generation that sees these things begin to happen will not pass away entirely before all these 70 week prophecies are fulfilled.

He was talking about the life spans of that future generation not the average of ancient generations.

According to some about 3% - 5% of the current population will live until their 90's. So that generation is not passing away for a while.

So we really can't use 70 years for a length of a generation passing away. It is fruitless to add any number to 1948 (or 1967) and arrive at any prophetically meaningful date (except maybe 105).
 

pln4287

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So many look in scripture to find out what a generation length is.

That is not what the Lord stated.

He stated that the generation that sees these things begin to happen will not pass away entirely before all these 70 week prophecies are fulfilled.

He was talking about the life spans of that future generation not the average of ancient generations.

According to some about 3% - 5% of the current population will live until their 90's. So that generation is not passing away for a while.

So we really can't use 70 years for a length of a generation passing away. It is fruitless to add any number to 1948 (or 1967) and arrive at any prophetically meaningful date (except maybe 105).
Well said
 

livingskies

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Randall - agreed... (But 105? Where does that come from?)

Sir Isaac Newton, was brilliant, but did dabble in occult and alchemy... (See Wikipedia). He also thought that the second coming could be no earlier than 2060, if memory serves me (it was at least that long, I think the range was 2060-2300ish) - having troubles quoting.

1967 - Jerusalem was conquered, but there was no decree or command by an official/king/prime minister to rebuild it that I know of...
 
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