Conspiracy Theories, The Occult and Agnosticism

Do you believe conspiracy theories reveal hidden truths?

  • Yes

    Votes: 1 16.7%
  • No

    Votes: 5 83.3%

  • Total voters
    6

Sempre Coitantis

New Member
Greetings. I am a Christian man, but I am also autistic, which in practice means I have an unusual perspective on most things. Being an autistic Christian is like coming from a foreign culture, one very different from yours, one that is in many ways opposed to yours. And although I love my sovereign and His Word and base my worldview upon it, I expect to be unwelcome here because of my perspectives. Thus it has always been with me.

Per the subject line, I propose that conspiracy theorists are much like dabblers in the Occult or Gnosticism.

All three paths promise to reveal information hidden to "ordinary" observers. The word "occult" means hidden. But I believe a Christian should spurn all three of these useless pursuits. I believe Christians need to seek "higher truths" from their sovereign and His Word, Not through these strange, worldly, satanic systems of thought. Mind you, practitioners of these thought systems seldom escape feelings of pride and arrogance, and these don't belong in the heart of a Christian
 

athenasius

Well-Known Member
Welcome. You'll find as you get to know us here, that 3 members I can think of right off the top, are all on the spectrum. So if you are expecting to be misunderstood, based on your previous experience-- you may be pleasantly surprised.

What may help is that this forum is pretty strong on the rules, so just read up on them, and that should provide you with the comfort of knowing the structure of this forum.

If you have trouble with understanding if someone is making a joke, just ask. I was on a recent thread where one of our members who is autistic, did just that. Nobody will make fun of you or if they do, Chris or Adrian (Mattfivefour) our Moderators (Chris is also the owner of the site) can step in and help.

The rules are there so everyone is clear on what we believe and expect from each other. It works well as long as people read them, and understand.

As per your subject line, you will find no argument here, since all of us who post regularly here hold the Word of God in HIGH regard, and we do NOT take "truth" from other sources.

And we are VERY much against all forms of gnosticism and the occult and especially when they try to creep into the churches. We stay away from Conspiracy theories, and websites that promote them are forbidden.

Have a look at the rules and you will likely find yourself very much at home here.

All the best, and welcome
 

athenasius

Well-Known Member
So you don't have to hunt for it, the rules are in the section at the very top, but I've got the link here: https://www.raptureforums.com/forums/forums/rules-statements.19/

and here are the rules for posting: https://www.raptureforums.com/forums/threads/board-rules-guidelines-for-posting.1/

And as you can see by this quote here from those posting rules, you are in agreement with this site. We would never disagree with your statement above. Conspiracy stuff is not welcome here:

"No liberal left wing political agendas, pacifism, socialism, libertarianism, fascism, scientism, Tax Dodging, Anti-American Conspiracies, Anti-War Propaganda, or that the United States is Israel or Mystery Babylon. No "Financial Fear and panic, store ammo and cans" threads stressing America is going down the tubes and Jesus is leaving us stranded. No plotting to overthrow the American government. No Conspiracy theories such as FEMA camps, 9/11 was an inside job, etc. etc. etc....Practice your faith through prayer trusting God always providing our needs and never forsaking us. Hebrews 13:5 Psalms 37:25"

and as you read the posting rules, you'll see that any type of gnostic heresy or occult knowledge is not welcome here at all.

So you can relax and get to know us, we are in agreement with your initial statement.
 
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Jan51

Well-Known Member
Welcome Sempre Coitantis.

The term "conspiracy theory" can mean a number of things. It can mean ideas that are truly "out there," but it is also a term used purposefully by some who wish to keep the naive and uninformed from knowing too much. They throw out this term to label real possibilities or realities, to be disparaging and dismissive of them. So its hard to make a generalization about the term.
 

athenasius

Well-Known Member
Welcome Sempre Coitantis.

The term "conspiracy theory" can mean a number of things. It can mean ideas that are truly "out there," but it is also a term used purposefully by some who wish to keep the naive and uninformed from knowing too much. They throw out this term to label real possibilities or realities, to be disparaging and dismissive of them. So its hard to make a generalization about the term.
That's quite true. Thoughtful discussions of real possibilities are good and helpful even if some might call them a conspiracy theory. I'm reminded of the Snopes site and the Southern Poverty Law Centre who are often used to label anyone who isn't all for the Leftist cause of the moment as a conspiracy theorist when all they do is bring out the truth. Both Snopes and the SPL people have been caught "disproving" something that ends up being surprise surprise, a truthful critique of one of their favoured politicians or groups.
 

mattfivefour

Administrator
Staff member
although I love my sovereign and His Word and base my worldview upon it, I expect to be unwelcome here because of my perspectives.
Not a promising way in which to enter a new fellowship. I'm not sure if you are wrongly judging yourself, or us. Or at least prejudging us. But at least you are being honest about the way you feel and we understand many come here having suffered unfair judgment and rejection at the hands of others, so we are not about to prejudge you. Athenasius, one of our more active members, has given good guidelines up-thread. She's also correct in saying you are far from the only member on RF who is somewhere on the autism spectrum. In any case, all that aside, welcome to Rapture Forums. I pray you find good fellowship here.
 

Sempre Coitantis

New Member
Athenasius, thank you for your kindly greeting! Your knowledge of the kinds of things I would find helpful seems intentional, and I am grateful for that. I will read the rules. May I check in with you If I have questions about them?

Let me take this opportunity to give the forum an idea of how my culture differs from that of many fellow Christians I meet here in rural northeastern Minnesota. I subscribe to an extended consistent life ethic based on the fact that death is not natural in the sense that it formed no part of the originally created perfect world order, and is the last enemy. Practically this means I am dubious of the validity of the shedding of blood (the application of death) as an appropriate response to any situation, except as a last resort in the preservation of life. On this basis I reject things like abortion, capital punishment, hunting, and animal husbandry.

I accept climate science and understand global warming to be an existential threat to humanity (which is another reason I am convinced the rapture is very near). I accept the mass migrations have started and will not abate, and that large amounts of death and misery of all kinds are just around the corner, but I struggle alone for an adequate Christian perspective and response all this (beyond prayer and Bible study).

Finally, I believe the invention of the welfare state was a good thing, in the balance, and I approve its implementation in the Nordic Model in general, if not in every detail. I am keenly interested that Americans pursue social justice, and especially, reconciliation among the races.

All this, and all the implications, are part of my Christian worldview, but put me badly out of step with my fellow Christians where I live here in America, who hold often diametrically opposed perspectives as part of their own Christian worldview.

Right here, contrastingly, I can confirm I am a theologically conservative Baptist in the reformed tradition. I hope that if I keep these ideas to myself, aside from this exposition, I will remain welcome and a member in good standing:) Thank you again!
 

Sempre Coitantis

New Member
So you don't have to hunt for it, the rules are in the section at the very top, but I've got the link here: https://www.raptureforums.com/forums/forums/rules-statements.19/

and here are the rules for posting: https://www.raptureforums.com/forums/threads/board-rules-guidelines-for-posting.1/

And as you can see by this quote here from those posting rules, you are in agreement with this site. We would never disagree with your statement above. Conspiracy stuff is not welcome here:

"No liberal left wing political agendas, pacifism, socialism, libertarianism, fascism, scientism, Tax Dodging, Anti-American Conspiracies, Anti-War Propaganda, or that the United States is Israel or Mystery Babylon. No "Financial Fear and panic, store ammo and cans" threads stressing America is going down the tubes and Jesus is leaving us stranded. No plotting to overthrow the American government. No Conspiracy theories such as FEMA camps, 9/11 was an inside job, etc. etc. etc....Practice your faith through prayer trusting God always providing our needs and never forsaking us. Hebrews 13:5 Psalms 37:25"

and as you read the posting rules, you'll see that any type of gnostic heresy or occult knowledge is not welcome here at all.

So you can relax and get to know us, we are in agreement with your initial statement.
A quick thought ... Your name is the Latinized form of a Greek compound adjective meaning "not subject to death; immortal"

It is said of me that I am guilty of the crime of informing people without their consent ;) Word origins and language itself are a couple of my special interests.
 

Vertigo

Well-Known Member
Welcome to the forum! Nobody will belittle you because of your condition. But they don't like it when people disagree with them, so watch out for that.
 

athenasius

Well-Known Member
A quick thought ... Your name is the Latinized form of a Greek compound adjective meaning "not subject to death; immortal"

It is said of me that I am guilty of the crime of informing people without their consent ;) Word origins and language itself are a couple of my special interests.
:biggrin2 YUP!
I did a quick translate on yours too, "Always together in orderly formation" at least from my rough Googled Latin. And your choice of avatar is not lost on me either.

Double welcome! Love playing with words too.

Strictly speaking, my choice of screen name comes from an enjoyment of the original Athenasius, one of the Nicene era Church Fathers. In fact he was part of the Nicene First Council in 325 AD as a young assistant to one of the Bishops and out of that council we got the Nicene creed and a firm affirmation of the doctrine of the Trinity. In 355 some 30 years later in his 60's he was pitted against the Emperor Constantius who was forcing Arianism on the whole church and most of them had buckled under the pressure and signed off reluctantly as Arians when they weren't.

I was in a bad church, left and was excommunicated, and on my departure decided that I needed to reset my beliefs back to what my mother had taught me and figure out what theological errors that ex pastor had succumbed to in order to become as abusive, filled with heresy and anti semitic as he and that church had become. One of the problems I picked up on was a tolerance of "oneness" teaching. It wasn't in that church's statement of faith, in fact they were Trinitarian. However they had several members in good standing who held to the oneness position.

So I thought I might as well go back to the early church father who epitomized the fight against oneness and Arianism, and managed to turn the church back almost on his own. He coined the term Athenasius Contra Mundum, in that horrible conflict in 355- 361 or so when someone pointed out the futility of Athenasius standing against the current tide. His friends had basically said Athenasius the whole WORLD is against you! His answer was Then I am against the world. Athenasius Contra Mundum.

There were moments there when I felt like the tide was against me, but like him I wanted to stand for Christ even if it meant bucking the trend.

I got hold of a copy of his works (Philip Schaff edition borrowed in hardback from a friend of my sister) and read my way thru a fair bit, not all of it. He was prolific. But enough to know I liked him, his stance and his sense of humour. There's a bit in there where he is complaining of an irritating church leader underneath him who rejoiced in the name Lucifer!!! After reading that, and a lot more, I decided I liked Athenasius and would remember him when I felt like I was all on my own.

Athenasius had a death sentence for opposing the Arian Emperor Constantius. Till God arranged that one's life coming to an end in 361 as poor Athenasius was floating north down the Nile to the Med, to what he thought was his death. And still he stood firm in his belief and teaching of the Trinity. God put the Emperor Julian known as the Apostate. Julian was a pagan, but he let Athenasius live, and even though he was rough on Christianity in general, (the last of the pagan Emperors) it allowed a breathing space for the Christian church of that day to oppose and deal with the threat of Arianism.

I've always admired his courage. And that is how I picked my screen name. I've used it on other boards and forums, as it's not one that anyone else has picked already. And it reminds me to have courage.

Looking forward to your company on the forums.:biggrin2

And yes, I did think that if you are on the spectrum, you might be like several members of my family who are on the spectrum, and who also enjoy order and rational considerations. And perhaps if I ever bothered to get screened, I would be properly diagnosed as Aspergers. However all I did was an online test or two, and I score in the 90 to 95% probability. But I don't bother because I enjoy life as it is.

As for the rules, I end up on the wrong side more than once and have been gently corrected by both Chris and Adrian (mattfivefour). They are best if you are in doubt. The messaging system is down (it got misused a lot) but you can still post a general question in various spots.

I think from a theological point of view if your version of Reform theology lands you in the 5 points of Calvinism, the TULIP, you might have some serious disagreements, but if you aren't a strict predestined for heaven/hell Reformer, you'll find a lot in common. There will be generalizations about Calvinism or any belief set that might be annoying but if you can look at why people think the way they do, it might make sense. Ask them why they believe something, and as they expand on their belief you may find they actually agree with much of what you hold dear. This is a dispensational theology forum. That was till recently the norm for most Baptist groups. Likely if you get someone to explain more, their position will make sense.

As for vegetarianism, some of our members like Bron (she is a dear member and an accomplished musician) are vegetarian, while others do enjoy hunting and or eating meat. As long as you can be comfortable with the wide range of choices in others, you'll be fine.

When you find yourself in a thread where they don't seem to get your point, take a deep breath, and leave the thread alone for a while. Misunderstandings happen. It might be just a bad day someone is having or they might not have understood the definition of the terms they are using. And they may never understand what you are trying to say. It happens to me too. It's ok.

Re global warming, I think most people here don't see it as caused by human activity, but rather something that is coming in relation to the Tribulation period and the time just before when things start to speed up and go haywire. Some who would say they are against the idea of Global Warming, are not against GOD's version of Climate Change, but rather the definition of Climate Change as defined by modern media.

I think from what you say, that sounds like how you define it. As usual, defining the terms helps to de conflct arguments that are based on wildly different definitions of terms, but are essentially in agreement.

And unfortunately when I get interested in answering I tend to go into far more detail than people are always ready for, so apologies in advance. I talk. A lot. I like to be precise. Hope that is ok
 
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