Coming wars

[homemaker]

Hi!

I know this has been done several times, but I can't find anything...

Where could I go to see what players are in the different wars (Psalm 83/Ezekiel 38(?)/Isaiah 17) with their modern names? And where the different wars are in the timeline? I want to be able to see the news and understand where it *might* be leading prophetically. I know we can't set dates! But I want to understand better. History has never been a strength of mine, and Biblical history even more so. But, I can name lots of the Paw Patrol characters, so my time isn't completely wasted!

 

[Jaybird]

Try Jack Kelly's website and try some topic searches. He has a real talent for explaining biblical issues and gets to the point. I won't post the link as the administrators tend to dislike us posting outside links, but do a simple "Google" search and you should find it.

 

[athenasius]

Sawas, a member here who hasn't been on in a while posted a brilliant chart here https://www.raptureforums.com/forums/threads/gog-magog-invasion-timing.158790/page-3#post-843016378 back in 2020

He was charting who shows up for which wars.

He covered Ps 83, Isaiah 17, Jeremiah 49, Ezek 38 and 32 which some people miss, and Zech 9. All seem to be related in some way or another under the general umbrella of Ps 83/Is 17 and Ezek 38

I'll come back in on this with some modern names for the nations and how that's determined at a later date. It's late and I've got to get off the computer here.

That thread went on for pages and it ended up being a good one to refer back to at times.

 

[homemaker]

Sawas, a member here who hasn't been on in a while posted a brilliant chart here https://www.raptureforums.com/forums/threads/gog-magog-invasion-timing.158790/page-3#post-843016378 back in 2020

He was charting who shows up for which wars.

He covered Ps 83, Isaiah 17, Jeremiah 49, Ezek 38 and 32 which some people miss, and Zech 9. All seem to be related in some way or another under the general umbrella of Ps 83/Is 17 and Ezek 38

I'll come back in on this with some modern names for the nations and how that's determined at a later date. It's late and I've got to get off the computer here.

That thread went on for pages and it ended up being a good one to refer back to at times.

Yes! Thank you! I knew there was something like this somewhere!

 

[JoyJoyJoy]

Thanks for that link @athenasius. I don't think I have seen that before.

 

[athenasius]

Yes! Thank you! I knew there was something like this somewhere!

You are welcome. @sawas did a great job lining up the different passages that deal with Iran, Turkey, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, the West Bank and Gaza areas (Judea and Samaria) various Arab nations along with Russia and bits of Africa-- Egypt, Libya and what was called Cush, mistranslated Ethiopia in the OT times but we would call them the Sudan today.

With the exception of Russia they are all Muslim.

With the exception of Egypt, Jordan and the Abraham Accords (UAE and Bahrain) plus Saudi Arabia they all hate Israel.

Not meaning that Egypt, Jordan, the UAE, Bahrain or Saudi Arabia love and cherish Israel. They don't but they are happy to do business with Israel now and aren't out to kill them.

Think of the Abe Accords and the Saudis as Sheba and Dedan or parts of them anyway. You'll be familiar with Ezekiel 38 vs 13 that shows Sheba and Dedan along with the merchants of Tarshish raise a mild objection to Russia's invasion with Iran, Turkey, Libya and the Sudan.

Sheba anciently was over in Ethiopia and a little bit along the coastline of Yemen and the west coast of Arabia, but their kingdom capitol was over in Ethiopia where a kingly line that ended in 1974 with the Marxist revolution that took him out of power to die a year later. He descended from King Solomon's son with the Queen of Sheba and was the 225th in succession.

Because some of the West coast of what is now Arabia was part of Sheba this means that Sheba and Dedan mean Ethiopia and Saudi Arabia or just Saudi Arabia with it's close companions the UAE and Bahrain.

There is a lively debate about the merchants of Tarshish-- are they Spain or Great Britain and who are their daughters/young lions/cubs? Because of a fulfilled prophecy Isaiah 60: 9 I believe it is Britain because that describes the Jews coming back to Israel after WW2 --the ships of Tarshish were BRITISH merchant vessels that brought the Jews back.

Some argue that only Spain supplied tin therefore it was Tarshish. It may be, but Britain also supplied tin long before Ezekiel lived, -in the last few years there was an archeological discovery that found British tin dating to Solomon's time period. A difference in the chemistry of the tin pinpoints it's origin to Britain. Britain is named for tin, something that the ancient people were well aware of.

It's good to look at a wider group of prophecies that Sawas listed there to see the overlap between the nations.

The same players popping up. Not all of them in each passage. Some are left out. Does that mean different wars? Maybe. There are several wars of the Antichrist that are alluded to in various scriptures so perhaps the AC is involved in some that mention "the Assyrian" which is another name for the Antichrist in the OT.

Zephaniah should be included. Zeph is aimed at the Tribulation period and chapter 2 is aimed at Gaza, along with Jordan (Moab, Ammon but not Edom) and Cush (Sudan) plus Assyria (northern Syria).

And Amos. Amos includes some details of the fall of Damascus, and is at least partly aimed at the Tribulation period.

But there you go, have fun.

 

[athenasius]

I just happened to be discussing that bunch on another thread https://www.raptureforums.com/forums/threads/chinas-ukraine-world-power-play.198926/#post-843685120 so I will just pop it in here for @homemaker to enjoy

A divided Israel is a weak Israel. For a very weak Syria to attack as the language of Isaiah 17 suggests, Israel is seen as weak but manages to respond in defense at a cost to Israel as well. It's part of Israel turning back to God, so that is after the Rapture. Ezek 38 doesn't involve the IDF at all. God and God alone wins that battle. It's another part of Israel turning back to God.


Isaiah 17 says the IDF are involved in winning the overnight war that Damascus brings on Israel, but Israel wins. Israel wins by God's hand using the IDF if verse 17 refers to them as many think it does including me. "9 In that day their strong cities, which they left because of the Israelites, will be like places abandoned to thickets and undergrowth. And all will be desolation."


That scenario has northern Israel taking a lot of damage. Damascus is gone, and much of Syria (the remnant of Aram) is like northern Israel --wasted away


“1 See, Damascus will no longer be a city
but will become a heap of ruins.
2 The cities of Aroer will be deserted
and left to flocks, which will lie down,
with no one to make them afraid.
3 The fortified city will disappear from Ephraim,
and royal power from Damascus;
the remnant of Aram will be
like the glory of the Israelites,”
declares the Lord Almighty.

4 “In that day the glory of Jacob will fade;
the fat of his body will waste away.


IF that is the trigger for Ezek 38 then after an unspecified period of time while Israel is quietly not expecting attack, Russia, Iran, Turkey, Libya and Sudan attack with many peoples with them.


In that second war, Ezek 38-39 Israel is unable to mount any defence.


The other passages re Damascus:

Jeremiah 49: mentions areas belonging to Jordan, Damascus by name and Elam part of Iran. When Jeremiah mentions Damascus he mentions 2 other cities nearby Hamath, and Arpad now known as Hama and Aleppo. This seems to overlap the Isaiah 17 prophecy.


Zech 9: mentions Damascus by name in v 1, along with Hamath (Hama) which borders it which is an interesting turn of phrase pinpointing the destruction of Damascus going towards Hama just north of Homs and south of Aleppo. So we start to see a circle of devastation. Lebanon too again, as Tyre and Sidon. Vs 8 &9 may place this destruction near the end of the Tribulation though so that argues AGAINST Damascus being the thing that starts the Gog Magog war. It may be the other way around.


Amos 1&2 mention Damascus by name, along with Gaza, part of Lebanon and all of Jordan (Ammon, Moab & Edom) and sounds more like Zech 9 in timing.


Ezekiel 32 vs 17-32 are separate from the start of Ez 32. Ezekiel mentions Assyria (Syria extending into Western Iraq) without mention of specific cities AND ELAM again. Also brings in Egypt, Lebanon, Turkey, Edom in Southern Jordan, along with a fascinating reference in vs 30 listed as The Princes of the North. They go along with the Sidonians which is modern day Lebanon.


Zephaniah 2: mentions Gaza, Moab and Ammon (north and central Jordan) CUSH (remember them? they are in the Ezek 38 invasion but we call them Sudan today although they were mislabelled Ethiopia in some translations) as well as ASSYRIA again. Nineveh is mentioned by name and singled out for destruction but again this is day of the Lord language so it seems to occur during the Tribulation, possibly the later part.


Psalm 83 simply mentions Assyria (Syria extending into Western Iraq) along with others but not Damascus by name. Also in there, Lebanon, Gaza, Jordan, Egypt, assorted Arabs and that pretty much describes the invasion forces of the 1948 and 67 wars.



***Elam is in mentioned twice, in Ezek 32 plus Jeremiah 49 outside of Ezek 38 and reappears as Persia in Ezek 38. The fact that these are separate parts of Ezekiel suggests they take part in 2 different attacks.

 

[homemaker]

Thank you, everyone! Thank you, @athenasius , for taking the time to post all that. It is very overwhelming! I need to just sit down some time with a map and a notebook and just figure it all out. So, I just need to convince my 3 year old to let me have the time and space. Ha, ha, ha! I like to make funny jokes sometimes... But seriously, thank you!