Canada set to outlaw Holocaust denial

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Canada set to outlaw Holocaust denial
The CTV reported on Saturday that language adding Holocaust denial to the criminal code is in the must-pass government budget.
By RON KAMPEAS/JTA
Published: APRIL 12, 2022

Canada is set to outlaw Holocaust denial, a move that has the backing of the governing Liberal Party government coalition and the opposition Conservative Party. The CTV reported on Saturday that language adding Holocaust denial to the criminal code is in the must-pass government budget. Coalition officials cast the change as consistent with existing Canadian laws criminalizing incitement to hatred and promotion of genocide.

“There is no place for antisemitism and Holocaust denial in Canada,” Marco Mendicino, the public safety minister, told CTV. “That’s why we’ve pledged to prohibit the wilful promotion of antisemitism through condoning, denying or downplaying the Holocaust. The Holocaust was one of the darkest chapters in human history. We must preserve its memory, combat contemporary antisemitism and be unequivocal when we say: never again.”

Irwin Cotler, the veteran human rights activist who is currently Canada’s special envoy on preserving Holocaust remembrance and combating antisemitism, said: “Holocaust denial and distortion constitute a cruel assault on memory, truth, and justice — an antisemitic libel to cover up the worst crime in history — and thereby a cruel and mocking rebuke to Holocaust survivors and their legacy.”

more............. https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/article-703904
 

MapleLeaf

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Holocaust denial is sick but I am very uncomfortable with outlawing it. People should feel free to question mainstream views on things even such as history...or at least question what really happened. And could questioning a minute detail be falsely construed as outright denial? I am honestly sick and tired of having the holocaust put on some pedestal as the penultimate atrocity to have ever occurred and comparing other atrocities to it is akin to anti-semitism. Humans have a long and storied past of being sick and cruel to each other. And you don't confront false ideas by sending people to jail. Or fining them. Or ruining their lives. You confront it with the truth. People are going to make up their own minds in a free and just society and trying to control how people think and feel leads to authoritarianism and strife. I think outlawing Holocaust Denial will actually lead to more anti-semitism. Many already feel that the Jews are a protected class and it will fuel resentment.

I'm also tired of hearing from the "public safety" crew. They need a long vacation so we can have a vacation. They don't care about public safety. Just the platform to virtue signal and manipulate us all into compliance.
 

Ghoti Ichthus

Pray so they do not serve alone. Ephesians 6:10-20
I have some conflicted thoughts about this.

On the one hand, I see where @MapleLeaf is coming from, and it makes a lot of sense.

On the other hand, I grew up with a lot of kids that didn't have grandparents, knew people, who had numbers on their arms, and I've seen the ovens, etc.

In Germany, the Germans cleaned up and made Dachau a pretty sanitary experience for tourists. They tore down and rebuilt at least some of the barracks so they don't look like terrible places, and allowed weeds and vegetation obscure parts of the camp, although those parts are accessible if one walks around and is cognizant of what is there. So, even though not actually hiding the events and facility, the Germans have veiled how horrific it was. In contrast, the Poles only cleaned up Auschwitz enough so that tourists would not get bitten by vermin or get sick. The smell there is terrible.

I've seen and experienced the pervasive anti-Semitism in German and, seen Nazi flags flying on certain dates, even though the National Socialist Party (Nazi) has been outlawed. I've experienced the rote, unthinking, almost fanatical devotion of people in Germany to what the government saying/mandating being "Gospel"and must be obeyed no matter what. I've heard the hate emanating from people in many places denying the Holocaust or minimizing or excusing it (and other genocides and ethnic cleansings). And, I've heard a lot of hate directed at and about various groups by different people, and seen and experienced the results, both in other countries and in the United States.

I think maybe the best answer comes from what MapleLeaf posted, and that would be to not pass this legislation, but enact something that would require teaching what happened during the Holocaust in the public schools. And not just that genocide, but also the genocides and ethnic cleansings in Armenia, Syria, Cambodia, Rwanda, Sudan, Uganda, Balkans, Katyn Massacre, Holodomor, Palestinian Christians, Nigeria, First Nations/Native Americans, Ukraine (2022), etc., etc., etc., why and how they happened, and how to prevent them from ever happening again.


NEVER AGAIN is for EVERYONE.


:pray :pray :amen :amen
 

TheRedeemed

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Not sure what this means, is it you can or can't deny the holocaust.
Denying it privately won't get you in trouble...

Making a web site about it, opening a YouTube channel and making videos saying it never happened, printing leaflets and posting them in people's letterboxes, standing on a street corner with a loudhailer proclaiming it's all a big lie and such like would get you arrested and a wee day out in court..
 

Amethyst

Angie ... †
Denying it privately won't get you in trouble...

Making a web site about it, opening a YouTube channel and making videos saying it never happened, printing leaflets and posting them in people's letterboxes, standing on a street corner with a loudhailer proclaiming it's all a big lie and such like would get you arrested and a wee day out in court..
People say this about the Bible and Jesus death and resurrection too. He never told us to arrest people who make websites about that denial :idunno
 

TheRedeemed

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People say this about the Bible and Jesus death and resurrection too. He never told us to arrest people who make websites about that denial :idunno
With respect, this is a different matter. Those who deny Christ are lost and will face the ultimate judgment in the end and, we are all free to accept or deny Him. God does not force His will on anyone. It's not a crime to deny Christ, just a terrible, eternal mistake to make.

People who deny the holocaust however, are bound/want to repeat it and have an 'agenda' to dismiss that factual history, and they deny that an evil regime hunted down and eliminated 6 million people because of their faith and race.

Their denial is borne out of hatred for the Jews, and people who hate a group of people 'just because' are very dangerous to be amongst and should not be allowed to espouse their lying agenda to the rest of the world.
 

Amethyst

Angie ... †
With respect, this is a different matter. Those who deny Christ are lost and will face the ultimate judgment in the end and, we are all free to accept or deny Him. God does not force His will on anyone. It's not a crime to deny Christ, just a terrible, eternal mistake to make.

People who deny the holocaust however, are bound/want to repeat it and have an 'agenda' to dismiss that factual history, and they deny that an evil regime hunted down and eliminated 6 million people because of their faith and race.

Their denial is borne out of hatred for the Jews, and people who hate a group of people 'just because' are very dangerous to be amongst and should not be allowed to espouse their lying agenda to the rest of the world.
No it is it is not a different matter. You’re putting free speech/thought like this into the hands of sinful man

They will take this and any time someone accused of any lie or rumor they could be put into jail.
People have lied for centuries about atrocities committed against all different races. The Holocaust is no different from a human standpoint. We may as well make it illegal to say any atrocities were fake.

This is not being down in “good faith”

As disgusting as it is to have hatred for a particular race, it should not be illegal. God will make those judgments at the last day.

Should to be illegal to question that authenticities surrounding 9/11?
Should we be able to discuss the media’s prorated of what happens that day?


Now if someone is talking about what subjects can or cannot be such sad din schools where they are government funded that is a different matter.
 

depserv

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Burying big lies like this by outlawing them causes them to grow and fester, like a gaping wound that has a bandage placed over it without having been cleaned. It will only make the matter worse. And what aggravates this problem is that the same ones who forbid this speech often also ban truth based in opposition to the communist insurgency, as well as the satanic agenda of the liberal cult, so to many people, any speech being banned is given the appearance of legitimacy simply by being banned by a known enemy.

America's founding fathers knew that free and open debate was the best way for the truth to prevail, because once the government has the authority to ban speech, no matter how big a smile that government has on its face in the beginning, that authority will always end up being used to ban truth.

It's my understanding that Canada does not have a codified right to free speech like we do, so things they are doing make clear just how important our codified rights are. Traitors like Biden know that too, and it's why they place people on the Court who can be counted on to corrupt the document that contains those codes. This is an extremely dangerous assault on our freedom, and the assailants wearing a smile-face mask, and even doing something that has the appearance of being nice now and then, doesn't change that.

What makes this worse is that it is just another part of a much bigger effort by the liberal cult to control speech. Look at what is done in every community under the control of that cult: internet communities like Facebook and Twitter, schools, and liberal dominated media, that cancel anyone who expresses thought that has been forbidden by the high seers of liberalism. I guarantee you that as the liberal cult increases its control over government, a time will come when the liberal thought police will have real police power. If this was not clear enough before, Canada is making it more so.

And who do you think that power will be used against the most ruthlessly? These people hate God and His word even more than they hate freedom. Even now you can get in trouble for speaking the truth about things like homosexuality and feminism.

Another problem with this, that is less conspicuous but no less dangerous, is that when the expression of certain beliefs is forbidden, the impression is given that what has not been forbidden is somehow more ok than what has been forbidden. In this way government (or whatever is in control) puts a seal of approval on whatever it allows. One of our members above pointed to the denial of the death and resurrection of our Savior being allowed; this is a good comparison, and it helps make my point, because as evil as denial of the holocaust is, denial of the sacrifice of our Savior is infinitely more so. But since government is under the control of a cult of devil worshippers, that's somehow more ok than what is far less evil.

Let me make clear that I do not think denial of the death and resurrection of our Savior should be forbidden by law; I just point out the danger in the double standard. Free speech should be upheld, even speech we don't like.

As evil as the holocaust denial is, it is far less dangerous and destructive than the propaganda of the liberal cult, which is as anti-God as it is anti-freedom. Do you really think this gender neutrality nonsense, and all of the other satanic propaganda it's part of, is less destructive than holocaust denial for example? Or any of the propaganda being used as a weapon in the communist revolutionary war by subversion being waged against the free world? But when the lesser evil is forbidden and the greater evil is allowed, the simple mind is led to believe that what is allowed is somehow legitimate.

When big lie campaigns are used as a weapon to wage war on a country a point can be reached where they constitute treason. The big lie campaigns of the liberal cult used as weapons to attack America have crossed that line, and the perpetrators of that crime should be brought to justice. If holocaust denial was used for an illegal purpose like that, as for example if a group of National Socialists was in the kind of position the liberal cult is in and was using lies to wage war on America, then the lies, including holocaust denial, could constitute treason. But as it is, even as evil as the lies are, they do not meet any such test.
 
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Epieikes

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Because of the book I just finished...Earth's Last Empire: The Final Game of Thrones...I trust God to be fully able to bring good of this, even despite possible evil human motives. Hagee chronicles every antisemitic action from Haman to the present, and it is still on the rise. "Never again" can happen again if the subject leaves the discussion room or is minimized, revised, or scrubbed. Mauthausen CC (2017) still haunts our family...and I suppose I'm just rabidly supportive of the "apple of His eye..." and His ultimate purpose for His Chosen, especially the more I dig into eschatology.
 

MapleLeaf

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I'm not saying we should deny the Holocaust. I know it happened. But I am saying people are free to believe whatever conspiracy they want. And I am strictly referring to individuals. Institutions should definitely be held to account because the truth matters. The truth shouldn't be afraid of a rando on the internet.
 
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