Bugout bag/Survival gear/strategies

paul289

Well-Known Member
Times are getting...weird. Many cities are becoming lawless wastelands. Shortages may lead to unrest or industrial accidents due to the inability to get food or parts. Natural disasters are going to increase as we get nearer to That Day. Therefore, we must consider the words of Solomon in Proverbs 22:3 "The prudent see danger and take refuge, but the simple keep going and pay the penalty." Getting in physical shape will certainly be important, but there's already a thread for that. This is important because people may need to flee the cities and head for the hills. That said, if you are to flee, what do you bring with you? Note that roads may be impassable, so you may have to carry everything on foot. Or if it's safest to stay home but utilities go out or supply lines completely fail, how do you survive?

For my wife and I, we each have bugout bags with basic survival gear like space blankets, tents, firestarters, knives, change of warm clothes, water filters, food, Jet Boil stove, paracord, etc. At home, we have a wood stove, Dutch oven, generator, and we are on well water and septic. We also have about 2-3 months of food stored up, and are always getting more. We also have a small garden and are working on getting a greenhouse built.

Everyone likes thinking about how if they get enough guns and ammo they can defend themselves from the braindead hordes of zombies, er, the looters and gangs that would be roaming a lawless wasteland, but I don't think many people consider what to do outside of that. Yes, with long-term power outages, law enforcement become less reliable and criminals are emboldened, so self-defense is a concern, but it is not the primary concern. You cannot eat a gun or bullets, so I believe first priority should be food and shelter. Second would be protecting that. Guns are good for that, and we should train regularly on marksmanship and gunfighting (quick reloads, finding cover, multiple targets, shoot/don't shoot, etc.). Swords and archery would also be good options, as arrows can be reused, and swords don't require ammunition. Just occasional sharpening. Besides, no one trains in sword fighting, besides hitting each other with pool noodles, so if you have a sword, you're already at an advantage.

Lastly, your neighbors are a valuable resource as well. It's a good idea to build relationships with your neighbors so that if you are incapacitated or run out of supplies or are in trouble, they will come to your aid. Help your neighbors figure out what to do in case of emergency and plan for likely contingencies such as power outages, road closures, natural disasters, supply chain failures, and civil unrest.

My church has been giving lessons on this sort of stuff for a while, and I've only barely scratched the surface on what I've learned through it. What are some of your ideas on surviving these strange end days?
 

Tall Timbers

Imperfect but forgiven
At my age and with my health being what it is, I can be as fit as I can be, but can't really bugout. I'll be at the mercy of whomever is pointing a weapon at me, be it someone from the govmint, or a lawless individual. See John 21:18. Thankfully, no matter what happens, the Lord is my refuge, in Him will I trust. For those who can bug out, I agree, be prepared to. You're not showing a lack of faith for doing so.
 

paul289

Well-Known Member
Part of my reason for prepping is to leave behind food and supplies for those who are left, to give them resources to make it through the Tribulation. And yes, it's good to trust God, but what if God wants to use you to be the help for others? What if you're the provision that God is using? What if God is providing for your future needs through preparations now? Just something to consider.
 

Tall Timbers

Imperfect but forgiven
Part of my reason for prepping is to leave behind food and supplies for those who are left, to give them resources to make it through the Tribulation.

Many others have shared similarly but I'll admit I've never included planning for anybody other than immediate family members who may be left behind after I'm gone. I reckon strangers left behind might take possession of the things that were mine but that'll be no concern of mine after I'm gone. I've never felt called to prepare for non immediate family for after I'm gone. It's as much as I can manage today with the Lord's help.

Sometimes I've wondered if that sentiment is for some just a smoke screen to keep them from feeling guilty for preparing for unforseen outcomes... if so, there is no need for guilt over such a thing. The Bible does not discourage having full stores, at least I don't believe it does.
 

paul289

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Generally, I figure that beyond a couple months is probably too far out, but I want to at least be self-sufficient. The closest I've seen to the Bible being against it was in the case of the rich man who wanted to build another barn for all his grain and then retire. In his case, he was trusting in himself and left God out. However, Joseph prepared Egypt for 7 years of famine, so I do see precedence for it.

Also, guess I missed that there's a few prepping threads already. Whoops.
 

Ghoti Ichthus

Pray so they do not serve alone. Ephesians 6:10-20
WARNING! Woman in the Men's Room :peek :fear

It is far easier to survive natural disasters, civil unrest, house fires, etc. (anything) with help. Realistically, from an earthly perspective, that means your neighbors. Everyone needs to get to know, make friends with, and love their neighbors now. It's easier to forge relationships and build trust when times are good, because when times are bad, a mistake can cost you and your family your lives, and nothing good comes from suspicion and fear. Good neighbors are absolutely priceless. Here, one of many ways neighbors get to know one another, get in the habit of cooperating, and build trust and relationships, is by helping one another move/remove snow and ice. Pretty inconsequential and routine, although for some, having neighborly help with this is essential. Tactically and strategically, it's also easier to defend a group of houses than a single house. Especially when outbuildings, wells, septic, generators, solar systems, gardens, "farm" animals, etc. are considered. Also means everyone gets a chance to sleep (absolutely critical) :smile

Here's a couple of previous preparedness thread on RF (no sense in reinventing he wheel). My (long) administrative preparedness list is spread throughout post #1, 7, and 12 in the first thread:

https://www.raptureforums.com/forum...to-evacuate-discussion.167045/#post-843229999

https://www.raptureforums.com/forums/threads/15-minutes-to-collect-your-belongings.181234/


Tip-toes out of men's room :lol
 

Andy C

Well-Known Member
WARNING! Woman in the Men's Room :peek :fear

It is far easier to survive natural disasters, civil unrest, house fires, etc. (anything) with help. Realistically, from an earthly perspective, that means your neighbors. Everyone needs to get to know, make friends with, and love their neighbors now. It's easier to forge relationships and build trust when times are good, because when times are bad, a mistake can cost you and your family your lives, and nothing good comes from suspicion and fear. Good neighbors are absolutely priceless. Here, one of many ways neighbors get to know one another, get in the habit of cooperating, and build trust and relationships, is by helping one another move/remove snow and ice. Pretty inconsequential and routine, although for some, having neighborly help with this is essential. Tactically and strategically, it's also easier to defend a group of houses than a single house. Especially when outbuildings, wells, septic, generators, solar systems, gardens, "farm" animals, etc. are considered. Also means everyone gets a chance to sleep (absolutely critical) :smile

Here's a couple of previous preparedness thread on RF (no sense in reinventing he wheel). My (long) administrative preparedness list is spread throughout post #1, 7, and 12 in the first thread:

https://www.raptureforums.com/forum...to-evacuate-discussion.167045/#post-843229999

https://www.raptureforums.com/forums/threads/15-minutes-to-collect-your-belongings.181234/


Tip-toes out of men's room :lol
Neighbors are definitely key. Directly behind me is a former 8 years active duty Marine, and the houses on my right and left are well stocked and armed. By the time I get done with the duty roster, even the dogs will be on neighborhood patrol. I do have a retired college professor who is very liberal a few doors down, but I have a box of depends for him…o_O:biggrin
 

Ghoti Ichthus

Pray so they do not serve alone. Ephesians 6:10-20
Neighbors are definitely key. Directly behind me is a former 8 years active duty Marine, and the houses on my right and left are well stocked and armed. By the time I get done with the duty roster, even the dogs will be on neighborhood patrol. I do have a retired college professor who is very liberal a few doors down, but I have a box of depends for him…o_O:biggrin

The liberal college prof may be liberal in politics, but very loving, concerned, and caring/helpful about his neighbors, especially when the chips are down. I know a lot of liberals up here that are excellent neighbors and can be counted on if anyone has needs. They've proven it time and time again :smile Funny, most of the neighborhood goes to the same few churches :lol although there are a few that attend Synagogues and mosques (latter number is dwindling and the former number is getting bigger :biggrin :bouncies


:thankyou JESUS!!! :thankyou
 

Batman

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In 2022 it's hard for me to see very many places anyone could go and very long they could survive, even in rural America. I would have fear and despair like anyone else but now I hope that if this ends up coming our way, I am just able to witness, testify, and let go of this world if that becomes necessary.
 

Ghoti Ichthus

Pray so they do not serve alone. Ephesians 6:10-20
In 2022 it's hard for me to see very many places anyone could go and very long they could survive, even in rural America. I would have fear and despair like anyone else but now I hope that if this ends up coming our way, I am just able to witness, testify, and let go of this world if that becomes necessary.

Bug out could be because your house catches fire, gas leak, train derailment with haz mat cloud headed your way, broken water main that won't be fixed for several days, flood, forest fire, hurricane, etc., etc., etc. People are much more likely to have to leave their homes because of routine and predictable problems that occur in the area in which they live. Most people end up with friends, family, hotel, or shelter when they have to leave their homes, and most of the time, people eventually go back, even if they (or property manager/landlord) has to rebuild/fix the house, apartment, condo, etc.
 

paul289

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Increasingly, I feel like, though we might never have to deal with needing a bugout bag or whatnot, once we're out of here (maranatha!) those we leave behind WILL. But, like Batman says, where could they go? Modern surveillance is so intense and the earth so developed, there are few places that one could get to. It's important for us to reach out to neighbors to get them thinking about such things, especially if they're not likely to be saved prior to the Rapture. I have a FEMA preparedness manual, and that would be good to include as well as some End Times survival literature for whoever finds my stash. But whoever is left and decides to pursue God will be pursued relentlessly. Simply homesteading won't be enough, because being stationary means being found. It'll be a tough road for those who are left, but between getting some education prior and the hand of God after, there will be survivors.
 

Ghoti Ichthus

Pray so they do not serve alone. Ephesians 6:10-20
One can learn a lot from homeless, mentally ill, addicts, alcoholics, smugglers, criminals, and inmates as far as networking, communicating, OPSEC, moving items, traveling, living, and hiding/hiding someone else/hiding items without being caught by authorities, getting released without charges/serious charges, and without ratting anyone else out, even if inadvertently.

It's a totally different mindset than the Western law-abiding Christian typically has because harsh persecution hasn't happened here, and the West is mostly defacto Christian, even if it's nominal/cultural.
 

Ghoti Ichthus

Pray so they do not serve alone. Ephesians 6:10-20
Increasingly, I feel like, though we might never have to deal with needing a bugout bag or whatnot, once we're out of here (maranatha!) those we leave behind WILL. But, like Batman says, where could they go? Modern surveillance is so intense and the earth so developed, there are few places that one could get to. It's important for us to reach out to neighbors to get them thinking about such things, especially if they're not likely to be saved prior to the Rapture. I have a FEMA preparedness manual, and that would be good to include as well as some End Times survival literature for whoever finds my stash. But whoever is left and decides to pursue God will be pursued relentlessly. Simply homesteading won't be enough, because being stationary means being found. It'll be a tough road for those who are left, but between getting some education prior and the hand of God after, there will be survivors.

Holy Bible-ultimate preparation manual
Faith in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior-ultimate bugout prep
Rapture (or death if The Lord tarries)-ultimate bugout plan
Heaven-ultimate bugout location

:bouncies :bouncies :bouncies


:thankyou JESUS!!! :thankyou
 

Tall Timbers

Imperfect but forgiven
Modern surveillance is so intense and the earth so developed, there are few places that one could get to.

One of the things that impressed me when I was flying around China years ago was that despite their population the country has a lot of undeveloped land. Like everywhere else, people are attracted to cities. You don't need to be 300 miles away from civilization in an ice cave in Alaska to hide, just out of town in the woods may be far enough. You may have to move around, and you'd have to learn skills that enable you to stay in an area without leaving signs, which is a good bit of work, but it is doable.

During Tribulation it might be easier to hide than it is now given all the chaos that will be occurring worldwide.
 

paul289

Well-Known Member
Wife and I have been watching Alone lately, and I've been taking notes. Seems that a pretty standard bugout bag, fishing pole, and a canoe would help a great deal. And most overlanding type truck setups with a few bladed tools (axe, saw, knives, etc.) and an inflatable raft would make getting out of Dodge and into the wilderness much easier. Thankfully, I just got my beater Ranchero running again, and I want to turn that into an overlanding/bugout vehicle.
 

paul289

Well-Known Member
Not particularly, but Season 2 was won by a Baptist pastor who declared that he was motivated to keep going and not tap out to glorify God. He gave thanks to God for every fish he caught that allowed him to stay out. For the long-term contestants who stayed out there longer than 40 days, it all came down to will power, really. Sure, starvation was an issue, but the motivation to keep going seems much more present in people who openly give thanks to God.
 
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