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daygo

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Labour MP Ian Murray, who is one of the petitioners, said: “Boris Johnson’s plan to suspend parliament is an assault on our democracy.
“This is the people’s parliament, and the people deserve to have their representatives in parliament during this vital period.
“Legal action to prevent the prime minister suspending parliament has already been fast-tracked through the courts and we are now seeking an emergency hearing to prevent this undemocratic action.
“A no-deal Brexit would be catastrophic for Scotland and the UK, and we will do everything we can to stop Boris Johnson inflicting such hardship on the people. The final say on Brexit should be handed back to the people."
The legal challenge is being headed by SNP MP Joanna Cherry and Liberal Democrat leader Jo Swinson, with support from the Good Law Project.
QC Jo Maugham confirmed the group has "filed a motion asking the Court of Session to suspend the prime minister's request that parliament be suspended".

Like the way these people are talking about an attack on our democracy, yet forgetting about their actions being an attack on democracy the hypocrites.
 

daygo

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Boris has told European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker there is "no prospect" of a Brexit deal unless the contentious backstop is scrapped.
Downing Street confirmed that, during a phone call with Mr Juncker on Tuesday evening, Mr Johnson set out the UK will be leaving the European Union on October 31 "whatever the circumstances".
He said that "we absolutely want to do so with a deal" but a No 10 spokesman added: "The PM was also clear, however, that unless the Withdrawal Agreement is reopened and the backstop abolished, there is no prospect of that deal."
It comes amid what could become a renewed push to agree a divorce deal before Britain leaves the EU on Oct. 31.

Mr Juncker's spokeswoman Mina Andreeva previously said: "We stand ready to engage constructively with the UK on any concrete proposals that are compatible with the Withdrawal Agreement.”
The talks come the same day as a cross-party delegation - including rebel Tories - met with Jeremy Corbyn today to discuss methods of thwarting a no-deal Brexit in case the last-ditch efforts for an agreement fail.
Mr Corbyn said Labour will "do everything necessary" to halt a no-deal Brexit and claimed the UK is heading for a crisis under Mr Johnson, stating a no-deal exit would amount to a “bankers’ Brexit” benefiting the rich.

This certainly is causing an uproar, good on yer Boris, keep it up.
 

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Removing the backstop from the Brexit deal will not be enough to secure the support of hardline Tory Eurosceptics, Prime Minister Boris Johnson has been warned.
Mark Francois, leader of the European Research Group (ERG), a band of anti-European Union Conservative MPs, said he would not be voting for the Withdrawal Agreement even if Mr Johnson was successful in having the Irish backstop removed.
In exchange for ERG support, Mr Francois said he wanted Theresa May’s Brexit deal killed off entirely.
The backstop was negotiated by the former prime minister in a bid to avoid a hard border in Ireland after Brexit by keeping the UK in a customs arrangement with the EU until an inspection-free alternative could be agreed upon.

Looks like this silly bickering will continue.
 

athenasius

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Her Majesty is ELDERLY! Who do these people think they are breaking with the rule of law and democracy, trying to drag HRH into the mix? What she did was right, now she is out of the picture and Boris did the right thing by proroguing Parliament. Boris is also trying to implement the decision that was rightfully voted on, and passed--the decision of the public who voted, to leave the EU! To kick up a fuss, and try to pull out all the stops in their tantrum may impact the Queen's HEALTH! She doesn't need that nonsense. (nor do we need Charles ascending the throne any sooner than absolutely necessary!)

God Save the Queen! May God protect and preserve her health and strength and continue to give her wisdom.
 

benmcd

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https://www.breitbart.com/europe/20...or-britain-group-threatens-queen-over-brexit/

Off with Her Head? Soros-funded ‘Best for Britain’ Group Threatens Queen over Brexit

The EU loyalist Best for Britain group appeared to invoke the fate of the beheaded King Charles I after Queen Elizabeth II agreed to prorogue (temporarily suspend) Parliament for a few weeks before the Brexit deadline.
Following news that the Queen rubber-stamped Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s request to suspend the parliamentary session — the longest-running for almost 400 years — so that his government can bring forward a new legislative programme on October 14th, the George Soros-funded group tweeted that it would “make no sense for the Queen to back this deeply undemocratic, unconstitutional and fundamentally political manoeuvre from the government,” in comments later attributed to its CEO, Naomi Smith.
“If the Queen is asked to help, she would do well to remember history doesn’t look too kindly on royals who aid and abet the suspension of democracy,” the anti-Brexit group added darkly, appearing to allude to the fate of the monarch’s ancestor Charles I, who tried to govern without Parliament and was in the end publicly beheaded.
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If the Queen is asked to help, she would do well to remember history doesn’t look too kindly on royals who aid and abet the suspension of democracy.
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In fact, it is misleading to suggest the Queen’s decision to approve the Prime Minister’s request for a suspension has involved her in politics in a personal way, any more than the Houses of Parliament involve her in politics when they vote for a law and put it in front of her to receive the Royal Assent.
In theory, the Queen could decline the “advice of her ministers” on Government decisions like whether or not to prorogue, as she could in theory refuse to grant her assent to parliamentary bills — but it is understood that she does not do so by constitutional convention, with her final decision on such matters being essentially ceremonial.
Best for Britain’s assertion that prorogation is “unconstitutional” also seems dubious, as it would not have been approved if if there was no legal basis for it — and the great constitutional jurist A V Dicey was clear that “The House [of Commons] can in accordance with the constitution be deprived of power [when] there is fair reason to suppose that the opinion of the House is not the opinion of the electors” in his seminal Introduction to the Study of the Law of the Constitution.

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Remain's platform

- overthrow democracy
- submit to the EU
- abolish the Queen

Not convinced the average Brit will be too keen, but I guess we'll see.
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daygo

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A Scottish judge has refused to order a temporary halt to Boris Johnson's plan to shut down the UK Parliament.
A group of 75 parliamentarians were seeking an interim interdict - similar to an injunction - at the Court of Session ahead of a full hearing.
Their request was declined by Lord Doherty, who said he was not satisfied there was a "cogent need" for an interdict.
But the full hearing will now be heard next Tuesday, rather than Friday.
Lord Doherty told the court that it was in the interest of justice, and in the public interest, that the case proceeds sooner rather than later.
The prime minister wants to suspend parliament for several weeks ahead of a Queen's Speech on 14 October. The UK is due to leave the EU on 31 October.
The cross-party group of politicians involved in the case, including SNP MP Joanna Cherry and Liberal Democrat leader Jo Swinson, want the court to rule that it would be illegal and unconstitutional for him to do so.
Their QC, Aidan O'Neill, said the prime minister should lodge a signed affidavit with the court setting out his reasons for wanting to suspend - or prorogue - parliament.

Sensible thing here.
 

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Boris Johnson has promised a renewed effort to secure a deal with the EU before the Brexit deadline.
The UK's negotiators will now meet EU counterparts twice a week in the run-up to a crucial summit on 17 October.
It follows a backlash from MPs and opponents of a no-deal Brexit against the prime minister's decision to suspend Parliament next month.
Former Conservative PM Sir John Major has announced he is backing moves for a judicial review of Mr Johnson's plan.
And another senior Tory, Sir Oliver Letwin, said MPs still had time to act to prevent the UK leaving the EU without a deal.
As things stand, the UK is due to leave the EU on 31 October with or without a "divorce" agreement.
The EU said it expected the UK to come up with "concrete proposals" in the near future.
A European Commission spokesperson said its "doors remain open" and insisted it had "demonstrated our willingness to work 24/7 throughout this long process".
 

daygo

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Sir John Major, who has previously threatened legal action against the prorogation - suspension - of Parliament, announced on Friday that he was backing campaigner Gina Miller's application for a judicial review of Mr Johnson's decision.
This would "avoid duplication of effort" and was necessary because of the "imminence of the prorogation", he added.
In a separate development, a Scottish judge has refused to order a temporary halt to the prime minister's plan.
The previous government, under Theresa May, agreed a deal with the EU but it was rejected by MPs three times.
Mr Johnson says, while he would prefer to reach a new deal, he is willing to leave without one - and maintains the UK will leave by the October deadline "no ifs, no buts".
A number of MPs who oppose a no-deal Brexit are planning to take action in Parliament next week to force Mr Johnson to ask the EU for an extension to the deadline if a deal is not agreed in time.
The PM's decision to suspend Parliament for five weeks in September and October has been criticised as a tactic to prevent such action.
But No 10 insists it is normal process to prompt a Queen's Speech and allow the new government to put forward its "very exciting agenda".

Not really surprising Major has sided with Gina Miller.
 

daygo

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The PM has warned MPs they are damaging his chances of getting a deal with the EU by trying to block a no-deal Brexit.
Boris Johnson said the UK would leave the bloc "do or die" on 31 October - prompting some MPs to act to stop the UK leaving without an agreement.
But he said the more MPs try to block a no-deal Brexit, "the more likely it is that we'll end up in that situation".
It comes after the PM announced he would be suspending Parliament for five weeks over September and October.
Mr Johnson said it was to allow the government to hold a Queen's Speech and outline its "very exciting agenda" for the future.
But critics claim his intention is to prevent any moves in the Commons to stop a no deal.
 

daygo

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Senior Tory Sir Oliver Letwin said MPs still had time to act next week when they return from recess and before the suspension - which is expected to begin between 9 and 12 September and last until 14 October.
Former Prime Minister Sir John Major also confirmed he would be seeking a judicial review through the courts to oppose the suspension - known as prorogation - joining forces with campaigner Gina Miller.
Liberal Democrat leader Jo Swinson and Labour deputy leader Tom Watson have also offered their backing.
But a separate legal bid in Scotland to order a temporary halt to prorogation has been dismissed by a judge. However, a full hearing will now be heard next Tuesday, rather than Friday.
Mr Johnson has promised to "step up the tempo" on securing a deal with the EU before the Brexit deadline, with UK's negotiators set to meet their EU counterparts twice a week in the run-up to a crucial EU summit on 17 October.
Speaking to the BBC, he said: "In the last couple of weeks, there has been a great deal of movement from the EU side. They do think the UK is serious, as indeed we are, about doing a deal.

"We are working together now on serious ways that we can change the current agreement, get out of that mistake and do a deal."
A European Commission spokesperson said its "doors remain open" and insisted it had "demonstrated our willingness to work 24/7 throughout this long process".
But Ireland's Foreign Affairs Minister, Simon Coveney, said it was up to the UK to "propose alternatives that can solve those problems".

Next week is going to be quite something.
 

daygo

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Demonstrations are taking place across the UK against Boris Johnson's decision to suspend Parliament in the run-up to Brexit.
Thousands of protesters have taken to the streets in cities including Manchester, Leeds, York and Belfast.
In London, Whitehall has been brought to a standstill, with demonstrators chanting "Boris Johnson, shame on you".
A small group of counter-protesters, marching in support of the prime minister, also arrived in Westminster.
Mr Johnson's plan to prorogue Parliament prompted an angry backlash from MPs and opponents of a no-deal Brexit when he announced it on Wednesday.
When Parliament is suspended, no debates and votes are held. This is different to "dissolving" Parliament - where all MPs give up their seats to campaign in a general election.

If this prorogation happens as expected, it will see Parliament closed for 23 working days.
Critics view the length and timing of the prorogation - coming just weeks before the Brexit deadline on 31 October - as controversial.
Protests are taking place in more than 30 towns and cities across the UK, including Edinburgh, Belfast, Cambridge, Exeter, Nottingham, Liverpool, Manchester and Birmingham.
Named "Stop the Coup", the protests are organised by anti-Brexit campaign group Another Europe is Possible.
The group also said there were protests planned in Amsterdam, Berlin and the Latvian capital Riga.

Shadow chancellor John McDonnell and shadow home secretary Diane Abbott both addressed crowds in London.
"Boris Johnson, this is not about Parliament versus the people, this is about you versus the people," Mr McDonnell said.
Speaking from a stage near Downing Street, Ms Abbott told protesters: "We cannot allow Boris Johnson to shut down Parliament and to shut down the voice of ordinary British people."

Journalist and activist Owen Jones, who will speak at the London protest, said: "This is about defending democracy.
"We have an unelected prime minister shutting down the elected representatives of the British public who are supposed to be scrutinising the biggest upheaval since the end of the war.
"I think people who voted Remain or Leave should take to the streets today - no-one voted for a no-deal Brexit.
"There will be Remainers [at the protests] but I've had Leavers get in touch with me and tell me they will be marching, too."
Chancellor Sajid Javid, speaking on BBC Radio 4's Today programme, defended the prime minister's decision to suspend Parliament.
He said: "It's quite usual this time of year for Parliament to go in to a recess. It's perfectly correct and appropriate to prorogue Parliament.
"I think it's absolutely right that this prime minister and his government get the chance to set up their agenda."

Its quite sad really talks about defending democracy, yet the hypocracy of it is they are fighting democracy not defending it.
 

daygo

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MPs from across the political spectrum believe they have the numbers to block any “public school dirty tricks” that would allow Boris Johnson to force through a no-deal Brexit.
Shami Chakrabarti, the shadow attorney general, said Labour was expecting more Tories could join the rebel efforts following the “outrage of the abusive early shutdown” of parliament by the prime minister.
Mr Johnson provoked a furious backlash when he appealed to the Queen to suspend parliament for nearly five weeks, leaving MPs only a matter of days to attempt to stop no deal.
Amid fears Brexiteer peers were gearing up to filibuster anti-no-deal legislation, Baroness Chakrabarti insisted the majority of members of the House of Lords had more respect for parliamentary sovereignty than the prime minister.

The Labour peer also backed proposals by rebel MPs for parliament to sit over the weekend of 7-8 September to allow more time to pass laws to stop no deal before the 31 October deadline.
It comes after David Gauke, a former Tory justice secretary, said next week may be the only chance for MPs to stop a no-deal Brexit.
In an attempt to calm Conservative rebels, the prime minister called for both the UK and EU to “step up the tempo” on Brexit talks ahead of the looming deadline.
Asked if the movement to block no deal had the numbers, Baroness Chakrabarti said: “I think so and I think that the outrage of this abusive early shutdown of parliament has probably strengthened those potential numbers.”
She said more Tories might join their side, telling BBC Radio 4’s Today programme: “My own soundings and those of colleagues in discussions over the last couple of days, in particular since the constitutional outrage, give me greater comfort that minds are now focused, especially on the Conservative side.
Baroness Chakrabarti said she believed the measure could also get through the Lords, adding: “I know that all sorts of high jinks have been discussed, filibusters and so on, but I believe that there are means of preventing any sort of public school dirty tricks working, even in the House of Lords.”

She accused the government of behaving in an “unworthy” manner and urged people to take to the streets to protest against the “undemocratic behaviour”.
Leading Tory rebel Sir Oliver Letwin confirmed he had been in talks with John Bercow, the speaker, who was blindsided when Mr Johnson unexpectedly announced he had sought to prorogue parliament for more than a month.
“It’s perfectly true that I, for many months, have been talking to the clerks and to the speaker, and that’s the appropriate thing for MPs to do if they want to establish what the procedures are,” he said.
He said he believes “there probably is time” to get a measure to block a no-deal Brexit through parliament, but refused to be drawn on the number of supporters he had.
He said: “I know that there are a number of my colleagues who feel as I do, that a disorderly no-deal exit is a very bad idea, and they have in the past been willing to come and support efforts to prevent that happening and I very much hope that will happen again.”
Sir Oliver said the move could force Mr Johnson to delay Brexit beyond the 31 October deadline.
“I hope that we can take action this coming week so that if the prime minister hasn’t got a deal in place then he needs to seek an extension.”

I hope they havnt the numbers, it would be curtains for britain imo, theyd be no way back, its astonishing really, still cant believe whats happening in britain, even the world for that matter, surely it cant be long now before we hear, come up here.
 

daygo

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MPs who want to stop a no-deal Brexit will seek to bring forward legislation against it this week, shadow Brexit secretary Sir Keir Starmer has said.
He said the plan was to prevent the PM "from taking us out of the EU without a deal" but he did not go into detail.
Cabinet minister Michael Gove refused to guarantee that the government would abide by it if it passed, saying: "Let's see what the legislation says."
The government is "not doing anything to facilitate a no deal", he said.
Mr Gove also said "some" food prices "may go up" and "other prices will come down" in the event of a no-deal Brexit.
Meanwhile, the EU's lead Brexit negotiator has rejected Boris Johnson's demands for the controversial Irish backstop to be scrapped.
The UK is due to leave the EU on 31 October, with or without a deal.
The prime minister says he is willing to leave without one rather than miss the deadline, which has prompted a number of opposition MPs to unite to try and block a possible no deal.


Sir Keir told the BBC's Andrew Marr Show: "The legislation is intended to ensure we don't leave without a deal, that will require an extension.
"The length of the extension is secondary, frankly. We have simply got to stop us leaving without a deal."
However, opposition parties and those who are against a no-deal Brexit are split on their aims.
Liberal Democrat MP Layla Moran said her party's aim this week was to achieve an extension to Article 50 - the process by which the UK leaves the EU - and then a further referendum.
"We stand by our Stop Brexit stance but we do that via a People's Vote and that's step one," she told Sky's Sophy Ridge on Sunday.
Although Sir Keir suggested an Article 50 extension will be needed under the legislation plan, Labour has been clear that it wants a general election.
And while former justice secretary David Gauke wants to avoid no deal, he has said he "doesn't want to do anything to facilitate a Jeremy Corbyn government".
"Indeed, one of my worries about a no-deal Brexit is it will create the chaos in which Jeremy Corbyn could win a general election," the Conservative Party MP told Sky's Sophy Ridge on Sunday.
 

daygo

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Former Chancellor Philip Hammond has hit out at suggestions Tory MPs who vote against a no-deal Brexit could be sacked.
Mr Hammond responded to reports which suggest Conservative rebels could be forced out should they defy the Government in a touted Commons show down next week.
The Sun reported that those who do defy the whip will be banned from sitting for the party in their seats at the next general election.
Writing on Twitter, Mr Hammond said: "If true, this would be staggeringly hypocritical: 8 members of the current cabinet have defied the party whip this year.
"I want to honour our 2017 manifesto which promised a “smooth and orderly” exit and a “deep and special partnership” with the EU.

Hope the tories carry through on the pledge to sack the MPs that vote against the govt.
 

daygo

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Tory grandee Sir Oliver Letwin has confirmed he has been in secret talks with Commons speaker John Bercow to try to halt a no-deal Brexit.
As rebels geared up to defeat Boris Johnson over the issue, the former cabinet minister revealed he had been in close contact with Bercow to discuss “procedures” in parliament ahead of next week’s constitutional showdown.
Letwin is part of a cross-party group which aims to seize control of the Commons timetable and then pass a bill forcing the PM to seek an extension of the UK’s EU membership beyond October 31.
The rebel group, including former ministers Hilary Benn, Dominic Grieve and Philip Hammond, has spent weeks working with parliamentary officials and other experts to ensure they draft “watertight” legislation to block a no-deal exit.
After a Daily Telegraph report that Bercow had interrupted his family holiday in Turkey to contact rebels, Sir Oliver denied he had been “cooking up a deal with the speaker”.

Wow with these people who needs enemies, surely this would be unethical.
 

daygo

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Boris Johnson is “floating along his zip wire” towards a “pot of gold” Brexit deal which he may not reach, his former Tory leadership rival Rory Stewart has said.
The MP for Penrith and the Border also said a no-deal scenario will be used as a “huge explanation for almost everything going wrong in our society” over the next 40 years.
Mr Stewart said colleagues will be reluctant to vote against the Prime Minister as they want to give him the benefit of the doubt and also because of the “positive things” he is doing domestically.

“The argument then becomes really tough because the Prime Minister is saying that he’s trying to get a deal,” Mr Stewart said during a session at the Big Tent Ideas Festival in east London.
“And if you’re going to be very, very optimistic, you’re going to feel, ‘well, OK, he’s going to get a deal so there’s no point in me voting to stop no deal because he’s going to get a deal’.
“And I have to somehow communicate something that’s quite difficult, which is this is a very, very high-risk strategy.
“He’s floating along his zip wire towards his pot of gold but he may not get to that pot of gold, and if he doesn’t he is trapped into saying that he will leave the European Union on 31 October. Do or die. Come what may.”
Mr Stewart sparked laughter in the tent as he reminded the crowd of the moment Mr Johnson famously got stuck on a zip wire waving union flags in 2012.
The MP also said he would not be prepared to see Jeremy Corbyn as an interim prime minister to avoid a no-deal Brexit.
“I don’t want a Jeremy Corbyn government,” he said, adding: “I can’t quite see how it would help at all.
“If what we want to do is stop a no-deal Brexit, we can introduce legislation on Tuesday and Wednesday to stop a no-deal Brexit.
“A Jeremy Corbyn government is completely irrelevant to the question of stopping a no-deal Brexit.”
He said a no-deal scenario will be viewed in future in a similar way as Margaret Thatcher is remembered in some areas of the country.
“The Tory no deal will become for 40 years a huge explanation for almost everything going wrong in our society. And on the other hand, remain would do the same thing.”

Wonder if these people ever use their brain.
 

daygo

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The EU's chief Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier has again rejected Boris Johnson's demands for the Irish backstop is scrapped.
Mr Barnier insists that the controversial insurance plan for the Irish border in the Withdrawal Agreement represents the "maximum flexibility" that Brussels can offer.
The Prime Minister has called on EU leaders to discard the so-called backstop and branded it as "unacceptable", warning the arrangement must be ditched if a no-deal Brexit is to be avoided.
MPs voted against the Withdrawal Agreement, negotiated by his predecessor Theresa May, three times.
Writing in the Sunday Telegraph, Mr Barnier said the backstop had to stay to protect the integrity of the EU's single market while ensuring an open border on the island of Ireland.

He said: "After two years of painstaking talks, the EU and the UK reached an agreement on operational solutions for a whole range of areas where the UK's withdrawal creates uncertainty.
“The backstop is the maximum amount of flexibility that the EU can offer to a non-member state,” he added.
Mr Barnier also hit back against Mr Johnson's claims that a no-deal Brexit would be the fault of the EU.
“I am not optimistic about avoiding a no-deal scenario, but we should all continue to work with determination,” Mr Barnier said.
"On the EU side, we had intense discussions with EU member states on the need to guarantee the integrity of the EU's single market, while keeping that border fully open.
"In this sense, the backstop is the maximum amount of flexibility that the EU can offer to a non-member state."
The Irish backstop is a contingency measure negotiated by Mr Johnson's predecessor Theresa May to get an exit deal over the line which could see Northern Ireland aligning with some EU single market rules if a trade deal is not agreed by the UK and EU after Brexit.
Meanwhile, Mr Johnson, who has vowed to take Britain out of the EU with or without a deal on October 31, restated his case for a harder Brexit. saying the country needed to "come out of the incarceration of the backstop".
He told the Sunday Times: "Everybody understands what is wrong with the current withdrawal agreement: it keeps the UK locked into the EU. It means they can boss us around on trade policy or on how we legislate forever."
His de facto deputy Michael Gove also said that to remove the option of a no-deal Brexit on Oct 31 would “diminish” the “chances of securing changes” to the Brexit deal that could get it passed through parliament.
Ratcheting up the rhetoric, Mr Johnson's also warned that Tory MPs faced a "choice" between him and Jeremy Corbyn , ahead an expected clash this week when no-deal opponents will are expected to try to seize control of the parliamentary agenda to push through legislation delaying Brexit beyond October 31.
He told the Sunday Times: "I just say to everybody in the country, including everyone in parliament, the fundamental choice is this: are you going to side with Jeremy Corbyn and those who want to cancel the referendum?
"Are you going to side with those who want to scrub the democratic verdict of the people - and plunge this country into chaos?"
 
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