Brexit.

daygo

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European Council President Donald Tusk has said the EU is "willing to listen" to Prime Minister Boris Johnson's ideas for Brexit if they are "realistic".
But speaking at the G7 summit in Biarritz, France, Mr Tusk said he would "not co-operate on [a] no-deal".
Mr Johnson said that if Mr Tusk - who he will meet on Sunday - did not want to be remembered as "Mr No-Deal Brexit", then UK demands must be met.
Since becoming PM, Mr Johnson has said the UK will leave the EU on 31 October.
Mr Johnson has repeatedly stated he would prefer to leave the EU with a deal, but insists the backstop - the insurance policy designed to avoid a hard border on the island of Ireland - must be removed from the withdrawal agreement.
"I've made it absolutely clear I don't want no deal and that we've got to get rid of the backstop from the treaty and if Mr Tusk doesn't want to go down as Mr No-Deal Brexit I hope that point will be borne in mind too," he said.
Earlier in the day, Mr Tusk had used the same moniker when talking about Mr Johnson.
"I still hope Prime Minister Johnson will not like to go down in history as Mr No Deal," he said.
"The EU has always been open to co-operation. One thing I will not co-operate on is a no deal.
"We are willing to listen to ideas that are operational, realistic and acceptable to all EU member states."

Mr Johnson wants to renegotiate the Irish backstop - a key Brexit sticking point - but the EU has consistently ruled this out.
If implemented, the backstop - a last resort should the UK and the EU not agree a trade deal after Brexit - would see Northern Ireland staying aligned to some rules of the EU single market.
It would also see the UK stay in a single customs territory with the EU, and align with current and future EU rules on competition and state aid.
At a news conference on Wednesday with Mr Johnson, German Chancellor Angela Merkel suggested an alternative to the backstop might be achievable, adding that the onus was on the UK.
But the next day French president Emmanuel Macron said the backstop was "indispensable" to preserving political stability and the single market.
After visiting his counterparts in Paris and Berlin this week, Mr Johnson said there was "new mood music", but reaching a new deal would not be "a cinch".
He has insisted the UK will leave the EU on 31 October, whether or not a new deal is reached.
Mr Johnson will also meet with US President Donald Trump, who arrived in France around Saturday lunchtime.

The EU are getting nervous, good on yer Boris keep it up.
 

athenasius

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The Euro Council Prezzy Donald Tusk was yammering at the G7 on the noon news hour. He seems a bit nervous! They all do.

Except for Trump and Boris. LOL those 2 seem cool calm and collected. Macron was positively bowing and scraping in front of Trump and his wife! I didn't see how he greeted Boris Johnson but seems to me they are a little frightened of both those men.

Our Canadian PM had the most awful and blinding socks and matching tie but that seemed to be his only lasting contribution to the G7 other than he is eager to do a trade deal with Britain for after the Brexit, which was good.

Right now Canada Britain trade is under the EU so I was glad to see Trudeau read the tea leaves correctly and instead of moaning about the environment he stepped right up and got going on a trade deal with Boris. (his fiasco with Trump in the past taught him a sharp lesson) Plus he is up for election season this fall, so he has to at least TRY to improve on trade and quit whining about global warming.

At least Boris didn't object to Trudeau's offers of trade whatever they consist of, in spite of the socks and tie. Honestly Justin Trudeau can't even get dressed in the morning with any consideration for what's appropriate. His dad dressed quite well. Must be his mother's influence.

Boris conducts himself well! And his socks and tie were quietly dignified. Hairdo is terrifying. Looks a little like a Viking raider about to go all Berserker on Europe, which might be a good thing.
 

daygo

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European leaders should not listen to the "very wrong messages" from politicians who want to stop Brexit, Downing Street has said.
A senior British official said the PM had been clear to European leaders at the G7 summit in Biarritz that the idea Brexit will be stopped was "incorrect".
Talks between UK MPs on how to avoid no deal are planned for Tuesday.
But Boris Johnson has repeatedly insisted that the UK will leave the EU on 31 October, with or without a deal.
Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn wants to call a vote of no confidence in the government to prevent a no-deal Brexit.
If he were to win a vote, Mr Corbyn plans to become a caretaker prime minister, delay Brexit, call a snap election and campaign for another referendum.
However, his plan, to be discussed by MPs from different political parties on Tuesday, has met with resistance from some key potential allies - including the pro-EU Liberal Democrats.
At the G7 summit, the Downing Street spokesperson said: "We are leaving on October 31 with a deal or without.
"The prime minister would prefer it to be a deal but we will be leaving on October 31 and he is very clear about that.
"He thinks European leaders should not be listening to the very wrong messages emerging from some parliamentarians who think that they will stop Brexit."

The official said Mr Johnson has been "repeatedly clear that parliamentarians and politicians don't get to choose which public votes they respect".
If a new Brexit deal was negotiated, the public would "expect Parliament to find a way" to pass the necessary laws to allow the UK to leave at the end of October, the official added.
On Sunday, Mr Johnson told the BBC the chances of securing a new Brexit deal were "touch and go", after having previously said the odds of no deal were "a million to one".
He also said if there is no deal, the UK would keep a "very substantial" part of the £39bn former prime minister Theresa May had agreed to pay the EU in her withdrawal agreement - the deal which British MPs rejected three times.
But, responding on Monday, European Commission spokeswoman Mina Andreeva said the UK must honour commitments made during its EU membership, and said this was "especially true in a no-deal scenario".
She said that "settling accounts is essential to starting off a new relationship on the right foot".
Guy Verhofstadt, the European Parliament's Brexit co-ordinator, said: "If the UK doesn't pay what is due, the EU will not negotiate a trade deal."
 

daygo

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The SNP, Liberal Democrats, Change UK, Plaid Cymru and the Green Party have all accepted the invitation to meet Mr Corbyn to discuss his proposals to avert a no-deal Brexit on Tuesday.
But Ms Swinson said Mr Corbyn's plans risks jeopardising a potential vote of no confidence in the government.
She said the discussions should examine how to seize control of Commons business, oust Mr Johnson and install an emergency "government of national unity".
The Labour leader's insistence on being interim leader meant there was a danger not enough MPs would support the vote, Ms Swinson said.
In a letter to Mr Corbyn, she said: "As you have said that you would do anything to avoid no deal, I hope you are open to a discussion about how conceding this point may open the door to a no-confidence vote succeeding. Its success must be the priority."
Labour has not responded to the letter, but has instead referred to comments made by its shadow international trade secretary, Barry Gardiner, who on Sunday described Ms Swinson as "extremely petulant" for dismissing Mr Corbyn's initial proposal.
Mr Corbyn has said he would call a no-confidence vote at the "earliest opportunity when we can be confident of success". That cannot happen before 3 September, when MPs return from summer recess.
In order for such a vote to succeed, Labour would require support from across the House of Commons, including the Lib Dems, the SNP and Conservative rebels.

Its hotting up, am liking boris more and more.
 

TheRedeemed

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Corbyn is deluded, there's no way anyone in that house will vote for him to take over. He wouldn't even get to take over in a general election if one were to be held tomorrow. The labour party are about to be wiped out in the next election if Corbyn still rules the roost.

So far as Brexit is now concerned it's looking like 'Game Over' for the whole rotten bunch of democracy deniers. They have run out of options, they have failed to get the control they wanted in order to snatch Brexit from the people.

The last option of a no confidence vote doesn't even have a 50/50 chance of passing, and even if it does the next vote to put Corbyn in Downing St will be quickly quashed and so it will become a general election and either Tories or Brexit party will win a majority and it will then definitely be all over for the democracy haters.
 

daygo

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Boris Johnson has been warned by senior figures in Brussels that failing to pay the £39 billion divorce bill would damage relations between the UK and the European Union and jeopardise future trade talks.
The Prime Minister has said that if there is a no-deal Brexit “the £39 billion is no longer legally pledged” to the EU.
But officials in Brussels said the UK must honour commitments made during its EU membership and pointedly said that “settling accounts is essential to starting off a new relationship on the right foot”.
European Commission spokeswoman Mina Andreeva said: “All commitments that were taken by the 28 member states should be honoured and this is also and especially true in a no-deal scenario where the UK would be expected to continue to honour all commitments made during EU membership.

Rather than going now into a judicial action threat, I think it is important to make clear that settling accounts is essential to starting off a new relationship on the right foot based on mutual trust.
“I would also say that as far as I understand this issue has not been raised with the EU side, for the time being, officially.”
Guy Verhofstadt, the European Parliament’s Brexit co-ordinator, said: “If the UK doesn’t pay what is due, the EU will not negotiate a trade deal.
“After a ‘no deal’, this will be a first condition of any talks. Britain is better than this.”
Mr Johnson said on Sunday that there would be “very substantial sums” available from the £39 billion to spend on domestic priorities if there was a no-deal Brexit.
Meanwhile, the Government said EU leaders should not expect MPs to block a no-deal Brexit.
“The Prime Minister has been repeatedly clear that Parliamentarians and politicians don’t get to choose which votes they respect,” a senior Government official said .
“The Prime Minister has been very clear to European leaders that he has seen in the last week that the idea that Brexit is going to be stopped is incorrect.
“We are leaving on October 31 with or without a deal.
“European leaders should not be listening to the very wrong messages emerging from some parliamentarians who think they will be stopping Brexit.”

You tell them Boris.
 

Tall Timbers

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Boris Johnson has been warned by senior figures in Brussels that failing to pay the £39 billion divorce bill would damage relations between the UK and the European Union and jeopardise future trade talks.
I believe that it will be in the EU's self interests to have robust trade with Great Britain. They may punish GB for a time by withholding trade, but it shouldn't hurt as GB should be able to get everything they really need from other sources.
 

athenasius

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Boris Johnson has been warned by senior figures in Brussels that failing to pay the £39 billion divorce bill would damage relations between the UK and the European Union and jeopardise future trade talks.
The Prime Minister has said that if there is a no-deal Brexit “the £39 billion is no longer legally pledged” to the EU.
RIGHT ON BORIS!!! Stick em with the bill, if they won't negotiate, them's the breaks, and that is the cost and they need to wake up to that reality. Stick to your guns man! You've got them scared now because they are threatening a 39 billion penalty, but honestly, that is THEIR PROBLEM. OOOOO I Like that BORIS!!!!
 

daygo

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The government has asked the Queen to suspend Parliament just days after MPs return to work in September - and only a few weeks before the Brexit deadline.
Boris Johnson said a Queen's Speech would take place after the suspension, on 14 October, to outline his "very exciting agenda".
But it means the time MPs have to pass laws to stop a no-deal Brexit on 31 October would be cut.
House of Commons Speaker John Bercow said it was a "constitutional outrage".
The speaker, who does not traditionally comment on political announcements, continued: "However it is dressed up, it is blindingly obvious that the purpose of [suspending Parliament] now would be to stop [MPs] debating Brexit and performing its duty in shaping a course for the country."
It would be "an offence against the democratic process and the rights of Parliamentarians as the people's elected representatives", he added.
 

daygo

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Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn said he was "appalled at the recklessness of Johnson's government, which talks about sovereignty and yet is seeking to suspend Parliament to avoid scrutiny of its plans for a reckless no-deal Brexit".
He added: "This is an outrage and a threat to our democracy."
The PM, though, said suggestions the suspension was motivated by a desire to force through a no deal were "completely untrue".
He said he did not want to wait until after Brexit "before getting on with our plans to take this country forward", and insisted there would still be "ample time" for MPs to debate the UK's departure.
"We need new legislation. We've got to be bringing forward new and important bills and that's why we are going to have a Queen's Speech," he added.
Precedent
The idea of shutting down Parliament - known as prorogation - is highly controversial because opponents say it would stop MPs being able to play their full democratic part in the Brexit process.
A number of high profile figures, including former Prime Minister John Major, have threatened to go to the courts to stop it, and a legal challenge led by the SNP's justice spokeswoman, Joanna Cherry, is already working its way through the Scottish courts.
BBC royal correspondent Jonny Dymond said it was established precedent to prorogue Parliament before a Queen's Speech, albeit generally more briefly, and rarely, if ever, at such a constitutionally charged time.
He said it was "Her Majesty's Government" in name only and it was her role, constitutionally, to take the advice of her ministers, so she would prorogue Parliament if asked to.
 

daygo

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Parliament is normally suspended - or prorogued - for a short period before a new session begins. It is done by the Queen, on the advice of the prime minister.
Parliamentary sessions normally last a year, but the current one has been going on for more than two years - ever since the June 2017 election.
When Parliament is prorogued, no debates and votes are held - and most laws that haven't completed their passage through Parliament die a death.
This is different to "dissolving" Parliament - where all MPs give up their seats to campaign in a general election.
The last two times Parliament was suspended for a Queen's Speech that was not after a general election the closures lasted for four and 13 working days respectively.
If this prorogation happens as expected, it will see Parliament closed for 23 working days.
MPs have to approve recess dates, but they cannot block prorogation.
 

Berni

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-49495567

Thought it best to give a link here as this has literally put the cat among the pigeons, and that is putting it mildly. I think its brilliant, we now have a decent leader go boris go. I am over the moon.
Yes, I'm loving it too! The self-serving, treacherous oiks are howling with rage. They didn't see this one coming. Cries of "a dark day for democracy" when all the while they have been doing their utmost to sabotage the democratic process. Oh the irony! :lolsign
 
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