Brexit.

daygo

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Conservatives have lost the by election in Brecon, majority now down to one seat. Lost by 1,425 votes, going to be very tricky for Boris now, he'd be mental to go for an election now or in October imo. The eu must be pleased all they need to do is be patient and not do anything.
 
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ShilohRose

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Conservatives have lost the by election in Brecon, majority now down to one seat. Lost by 1,425 votes, going to be very tricky for Boris now, he'd be mental to go for an election now or in October imo. The eu must be pleased all they need to do is be patient and not do anything.
What is wrong with people that they would vote like this? Don't they know they're voting away their rights to the EU? Let's give away our freedom to the monster in Brussels! What a grand idea! :sheepaid:sarcasm:gaah
 

daygo

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Jeremy Corbyn has urged the UK's most senior civil servant to intervene to prevent a no-deal Brexit happening during a general election campaign.
The Labour leader is concerned that the UK could leave the EU on 31 October, while a campaign is ongoing and before a new government is elected.
He has written to Cabinet Secretary Sir Mark Sedwill saying such a move would be an "anti-democratic abuse of power".
It comes amid speculation MPs will table a no-confidence motion in the PM.
It is thought opposition MPs could propose the vote in a bid to prevent the UK leaving the EU with no deal - leading to a general election being called.
Mr Johnson has a working majority in Parliament of just one.
The UK will leave the EU on 31 October with or without a deal unless Article 50 is extended or revoked.
Mr Corbyn said his party would propose a no-confidence vote at an "appropriate" time after the Commons returned from its summer recess on 3 September.
Election rules say Parliament should be dissolved 25 working days before polling day - so some people are concerned Mr Johnson could allow a no-deal Brexit to happen while MPs are not sitting.

If the PM loses the motion of no-confidence, then under the Fixed Term Parliaments Act he would have another 14 days to win another vote.
If he fails to win the vote then a general election would be called on a date advised on by the PM.
However, if another candidate can secure the confidence of the Commons, Mr Johnson would be expected to resign and recommend the Queen appoint that person in his place.
Ex-Liberal Democrat leader Sir Vince Cable, who thinks his party and a "significant number" of Tories would support a no-confidence motion, says there would be wide support for an "emergency administration" to take over from Mr Johnson.

They never stop trying do they.
 

daygo

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What does the government say?
On Thursday, Mr Johnson was asked whether he would resign if he lost a no-confidence vote.
"What MPs should do and what they've already voted to do, when triggering Article 50 and reconfirmed several times, is honour the mandate of the people [by leaving the EU]," he said.
Mr Johnson's senior adviser, Dominic Cummings, has reportedly told MPs that losing a no-confidence vote would not stop the prime minister taking the UK out of the EU by the October 31 deadline.
He is reported by the Sunday Telegraph to have said the PM could call an election to fall after 31 October, by which time Britain would have left.
Brexiteers say Britain's departure from the EU is already set, with Parliament having voted to leave, to trigger Article 50 and to pass legislation to set the deadline of 31 October.

An 'unprecedented' move
In his letter to Sir Mark, Mr Corbyn called such a possible move "unprecedented" and "unconstitutional".
He referred to the Cabinet Office's election "purdah" guidance - which states that policy decisions on which a new government "might be expected to want to take a different view" should be postponed until after the election.

Mr Corbyn added that a Labour government would never support a no-deal Brexit, and so would "want the opportunity to take a different view".
He called on Sir Mark to rule that if the UK was due to leave the EU with no deal during an election, the government should seek another time-limited extension to Article 50.
"Forcing through no-deal against a decision of Parliament, and denying the choice to the voters in a general election already under way, would be an unprecedented, unconstitutional and anti-democratic abuse of power by a prime minister elected not by the public but by a small number of unrepresentative Conservative Party members," he wrote.
 

daygo

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In the period before elections there are restrictions on what civil servants can and can't do.
The idea is to stop what is, effectively, a caretaker government from implementing decisions that the next government might disagree with.
Downing Street would probably argue that those rules don't apply to Brexit.
The UK's withdrawal from the EU has been the legal default since MPs voted to trigger Article 50 in March 2017.
Nevertheless, purdah rules could limit the government's ability to make last-minute preparations for a no-deal departure.
Ministers would not, for example, be able to instruct civil servants to start a new public information campaign.
Of course, all of this is uncharted territory and no-one knows for sure quite how it will all pan out.
 

daygo

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As Brexit day approaches, two questions are swirling around the Westminster village: Will Boris Johnson pursue a no deal and could MPs stop him?
Prime Minister Boris Johnson has said the UK will leave the EU on 31 October "do or die" - even if it means walking away without a deal.
With no ongoing formal negotiations with the EU, this is looking increasingly likely.
What is no deal?
A no-deal Brexit means the UK would immediately leave the EU with no agreement in place about the "divorce" process - or how they separate.
Overnight, the UK would leave the single market and customs union - arrangements designed to help trade between EU members.
Many politicians and businesses say this would damage the economy.
Others say the risks are exaggerated.

How could the prime minister make no deal happen?
In theory, unless a new plan is agreed, Mr Johnson does not need to do anything for a no-deal Brexit to happen.
This is because the UK's departure on 31 October is already written into law. He could just run the clock down.
But it is not as simple as this.
Most MPs in the UK Parliament are against leaving without a deal. And they could try to stop it from happening.
There had been rumours that the government could close Parliament to prevent MPs from doing anything to impede the plan to leave on 31 October.
But this was effectively ruled out after MPs changed a piece of legislation to make sure Parliament was open for at least part of October.
 

Tall Timbers

Imperfect but forgiven
Poll: Most Britons Back a No Deal Exit over Delaying or Cancelling Brexit

The poll by Opinium published on Saturday revealed that a no-deal Brexit had a 17-point lead over the next most popular option, cancelling Brexit.

The poll of 2,003 adults in the UK conducted between the 8th and 9th of August found that when asked what Prime Minister Boris Johnson should do if he is unable to make changes to the Withdrawal Agreement — enabling it to pass the House of Commons — 46 per cent of respondents said he should “go ahead with Brexit on October 31st even if it means leaving with ‘no deal’”.

Just 12 per cent back Mr Johnson delaying Brexit for a third time “until we can negotiate a deal that can pass the House of Commons”, and less than one-third, 29 per cent, said he should “cancel Brexit and decide to remain in the European Union after all.”

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/08/11/poll-more-britons-back-no-deal-delaying-cancelling-brexit/

If this poll was done properly, it would appear that the people have move more towards exiting the E.U. since the vote to do so occurred. I take that as a good sign. Any movement by the rank and file away from globalism is a good sign by my way of thinking.
 

ByGod'sGrace

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I've been reading this thread, and I must admit I do not understand at all what is going on, who has power, if the people of Britain actually are represented by their government, etc. Seems like a nightmare. From the news I read about Britain from America, it seems that there is a lot of fear-mongering about the pound plummeting if Britain does leave the EU. ?? Is this a valid concern? I feel like I can't trust any news sources.
 

daygo

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Welcome, your right. Too many people don't want to leave eu even if it means going against the people, too many are self serving, they give half truths etc it is a nightmare. Afraid I can't do justice to your query, would take far to long sorry.
 
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daygo

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A no-deal Brexit appears increasingly likely on 31 October given the lack of time to secure a new agreement with the EU and the diminishing number of ways in which MPs could block such a process, an influential thinktank has said.
In a report on the likely lead-up to the UK’s departure, the Institute for Government said that MPs merely expressing opposition to no deal would not necessarily be sufficient and that there were limited parliamentary manoeuvres open to them to force the issue.
With the exit date now less than 12 weeks away, should the government reach a new accord with the EU there would only be a slim parliamentary window in which to pass the necessary legislation. Even bringing down the government would be unlikely to see an election take place in time.
“MPs looking to force the government into a change of approach face a huge challenge when parliament returns,” said Joe Owen, the Brexit programme director for the institute. “Even if they can assemble a majority for something, they may find few opportunities to make their move – and time is running out.”

The thinktank’s report – titled Voting on Brexit: Parliament’s Role before 31 October – noted that more than three years on from the referendum, the UK’s options remained the same: leaving with a deal; leaving without a deal; seeking an extension; or revoking article 50.
But while no-deal Brexit would happen by default, and the government has said it does not need to pass any more primary legislation before 31 October for it to happen, a new deal would require Boris Johnson’s government to seal this with the EU over the summer and begin parliamentary work after the Commons recess in September.
Even if this happens – and Johnson is currently declining any new talks with the EU without a commitment from Brussels to ditch the Irish backstop border insurance policy – the current Commons schedule would leave just 22 sitting days to pass the new withdrawal deal.

Variously described as an insurance policy or safety net, the backstop is a device in the Withdrawal Agreement intended to ensure that there will not be a hard border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland, even if no formal deal can be reached on trade and security arrangements.
It would mean that if there were no workable agreement on such matters, Northern Ireland would stay in the customs union and much of the single market, guaranteeing a friction-free border with the Republic. This would keep the Good Friday agreement intact.
Both the UK and EU signed up to the basic idea in December 2017 as part of the initial Brexit deal, but there have been disagreements since on how it would work.
The DUP have objected to it, as it potentially treats Northern Ireland differently from the rest of the UK, creating a customs divide in the Irish sea, which is anathema to the unionist party.
Hardline Tory Eurosceptics also object to it, as they perceive it to be a trap that could potentially lock the UK into the EU's customs union permanently if the UK & EU cannot seal a free trade agreement. That would prevent the country from doing its own free trade deals with nations outside the bloc.
 

daygo

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A Green Party MP has been criticised after suggesting an all-women "emergency cabinet" could meet to try to stop a no-deal Brexit.
Caroline Lucas said the cross-party group, formed of 10 female politicians, could "bring a different perspective".
Ms Lucas said the cabinet could organise another EU referendum if the PM is defeated in a no-confidence vote.
But cabinet minister Liz Truss criticised the plan as sexist.
Ms Lucas is a former leader of the Green Party, which supports holding another referendum on Brexit, at which it would campaign to remain in the EU.
In her article, she suggested MPs opposed to a no-deal Brexit should try to defeat Boris Johnson in a no-confidence vote, then replace him with a "national unity government".
This arrangement - when a group of MPs from different parties choose to work together - has not been seen since the Second World War.
An all-female cabinet, she suggested, could then "press the pause button" and organise another referendum offering a choice between staying in the EU or the government's Brexit plan, whether that is an agreed deal or no deal.

But her idea was criticised by International Trade Secretary Liz Truss, who tweeted: "Is there anything more sexist than claiming your gender determines your worldview/behaviour/attitude?"
Defending her proposal, Ms Lucas told BBC Radio 5 Live: "It is a generalisation and there are plenty of exceptions, but I would argue, generally and in my experience, women tend to be less tribal and tend to find it easier to establish trust more quickly.
"I simply want to see whether or not by bring women together the key women from across Westminster whether or not we could generate a new dynamic," she added.
"We are facing a crisis. Time is running out."

Among the women Ms Lucas has invited to join her are Labour's shadow foreign secretary Emily Thornberry, Liberal Democrat leader Jo Swinson, Scotland's First Minister Nicola Sturgeon, Conservative MP Justine Greening, and Plaid Cymru Westminster leader Liz Saville Roberts.
The others are: Heidi Allen, Kirsty Blackman, Yvette Cooper, Sylvia Hermon, and Anna Soubry. She has asked to meet the 10 women in the coming days.
On Monday, Ms Lucas told the BBC she had received responses from five of the women she has written to, expressing differing levels of interest.
She also added that her proposed unity government would have to be led by a female Labour MP, as they would be representing the largest opposition party.
She said she wasn't completely against involving men - for instance accepting that a key anti-Brexit campaigner like Dominic Grieve could be given a cabinet seat.

Whatever next, this stupidity knows no bounds, dear me.
 

daygo

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A legal challenge to try to prevent Boris Johnson shutting down parliament to force through a no-deal Brexit has begun in a Scottish court.
A group of MPs and peers wants the Court of Session in Edinburgh to rule that suspending parliament to make the UK leave the EU without a deal is "unlawful and unconstitutional".
The prime minister has repeatedly refused to rule out such a move.
Lord Doherty agreed to hear arguments from both sides in September.
However he refused to accelerate the case through the Scottish courts, with the petitioners voicing fears that they may run out of time before the UK is due to leave the EU on 31 October.
The start of the legal action came as it emerged the UK government expects a group of MPs to try to block a no-deal Brexit by attempting to pass legislation when Parliament returns next month.
A No 10 source said they expected the challenge to come in the second week of September, when MPs are due to debate a report on Northern Ireland.
The source assumes the EU will wait until after that date before engaging in further negotiations.
More than 70 politicians have put their names behind the move, including Lib Dem leader Jo Swinson and SNP MP Joanna Cherry.

A challenge brought by the same group of anti-Brexit politicians last year saw the European Court of Justice rule the UK can cancel Brexit without the permission of the other 27 EU members.
Jolyon Maugham QC, director of the Good Law Project which is supporting the latest challenge, said: "A man with no mandate seeks to cancel parliament for fear it will stop him inflicting on an unwilling public an outcome they did not vote for and do not want.
"That's certainly not democracy and I expect our courts to say it's not the law."

The UK is currently due to leave the EU on 31 October, with the prime minister pledging that Brexit will definitely happen on that day regardless of whether or not a deal has been agreed with the EU.
Most MPs at Westminster are opposed to a no-deal Brexit, and there has been speculation that Mr Johnson could try to get around this by closing parliament in the run-up to 31 October.
This is known as proroguing, and would require the permission of the Queen.
Mr Johnson argued during the Conservative leadership contest that he would not "take anything off the table", saying it would be "absolutely bizarre" for the UK to "weaken its own position" in negotiations with European leaders.
But the group of pro-Remain politicians involved in the legal action at Scotland's highest court argue that shutting down parliament in this manner would be unlawful.

The case is beginning in the Scottish courts because they sit through the summer, unlike their English counterparts.
During a procedural hearing in Edinburgh, lawyers argued that the case could ultimately be decided in the UK Supreme Court - but only after it has moved through the Scottish system.
Lord Doherty refused a motion from the petitioners to skip the first step of this, saying arguments must be heard in the outer house of the Court of Session before they proceed to the next stage, the inner house.
However he did agree to move swiftly, fixing a full hearing for 6 September.

Not sure whether this can happen imo.
 

daygo

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The Commons Speaker John Bercow has said the idea of the parliamentary session ending in order to force through a no-deal Brexit is "simply not going to happen" and that that was "so blindingly obvious it almost doesn't need to be stated".
One of the petitioners, Edinburgh South Labour MP Ian Murray, said: "When Boris Johnson unveiled his vacuous slogan 'taking back control', voters weren't told that this could mean shutting down parliament.
"The prime minister's undemocratic proposal to hold Westminster in contempt simply can't go unchallenged."

Undemocratic, makes you vomit, they forget its undemocratic to prolong us keeping in the eu.

Am starting to think about whether we are meant to leave in light of bible prophecy, eg. if eu is one of the ten toes then britain has to be part of another toe, otherwise they have to remain in the eu. Another is that if the eu are the 4th empire thats reborn sort of thing then britain will remain in except if the ac comes from britain, cannot see anyone fulfilling that except one and will leave it at that. Just a few ramblings coming from me thats all.
 

daygo

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Jeremy Corbyn has urged the leaders of the other opposition parties and Tory rebels to install him as caretaker PM in order to stop a no-deal Brexit.
If he wins a no-confidence vote in the government, the Labour leader plans to delay Brexit, call a snap election and campaign for another referendum.
But Liberal Democrat leader Jo Swinson said she would not support making Mr Corbyn prime minister.
She called him "divisive" and said he would not command MPs' support.
In speech on Thursday, she said her party would work with others to stop a no-deal exit but Mr Corbyn was not a leader "respected on both sides of the House".
Instead, she suggested Tory MP Ken Clarke or Labour's Harriet Harman could lead an emergency government to prevent a no-deal on the 31 October deadline.
She added that MPs should "stand and be counted" and try to pass legislation in Parliament to ensure the UK does not leave without an agreement with the EU.

Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon said the SNP would "work with anybody at Westminster to try to stop Brexit, and avert the catastrophe of a no-deal Brexit."
"I think the thing for Jeremy Corbyn though is he has to finally and firmly come off the fence on Brexit and stop trying to equivocate and prevaricate," she said.
Downing Street said Mr Corbyn would "overrule the referendum and wreck the economy" if he became prime minister.
A No 10 spokesman said: "Jeremy Corbyn believes that the people are the servants and politicians can cancel public votes they don't like."

Mr Corbyn asked opposition figures and Tory rebels for their support in a letter on Wednesday, pledging that a government led by him would be "strictly time-limited".
He said he would call a no-confidence vote - which would require majority support - at the "earliest opportunity when we can be confident of success".
If he were to succeed in calling a general election - which would require the support of two-thirds of MPs - Labour would campaign for a second referendum with the option to remain in the EU, he said.
Prime Minister Boris Johnson said he wants a deal with the European Union, but insists the UK must leave the bloc by the end of October "do or die".

This silly season seems to never end.
 

athenasius

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A No 10 spokesman said: "Jeremy Corbyn believes that the people are the servants and politicians can cancel public votes they don't like."
Isn't that the truth! Just like over in Israel where Netanyahu wins the election but everyone and his uncle decides he can't possibly lead the country, so they are in another election!

Whatever happened to letting voters elect their leaders? And if they don't choose Jeremy, well then Jeremy doesn't get to be PM. But that thought doesn't seem to cross these deluded nutbars minds!

Praying for Boris and British voters to succeed in this Banana Republic style revolution that the leftists and globalists are trying to hatch.
 

Tall Timbers

Imperfect but forgiven
Boris Vows to Sign Order Ending Supremacy of EU Law

Brexiteers have hailed reports that Boris Johnson’s government is to end the supremacy of EU law in the United Kingdom by repealing the European Communities Act 1972 after October 31st, the prime minister’s pledged “do or die” exit date.


Sources have told The Times that Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union, Stephen Barclay, is to sign the “commencement order” that would repeal the act after the deadline within days, to signal the prime minister’s commitment to leaving on time.

While the House of Commons voted to repeal the act when it passed the European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018 in September, for the law to come into effect, Cabinet ministers must sign the “commencement order” — a move which former Prime Minister Theresa May refused to make as she continued to delay Brexit from March 29th to June 30th to Halloween.

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/08/16/johnson-vows-end-supremacy-eu-law-uk/
 
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