Breaking...Same-sex marriage now legal in all 50 states

Pebbles

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:hehee http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...ous-response-to-landmark-gay-marriage-ruling/

TheBlaze on Saturday contacted David Vaughn regarding the piece, asked about his motivation and why he chose the angle of humor to make his point.

Vaughn told us his intent was threefold.

  1. “Illustrate the absurd with the absurd.”
  2. “Bring some boldness and humor (on a very sad day) to those who are sick and tired of the cultural shifts driven by a well funded minority in error.”
  3. “Provoke thought and conversation.” He added that “It has!”
His final point, “Provoke thought and conversation,” had us wondering: Did the minister receive any negative comments or blowback?

“Only one or two negative, but even those led to healthy and helpful discussions,” Vaughn said. “Blowbacks are welcome. I have a degree in Bible/Theology, but a second one in how to handle criticism.”

Here’s Vaughn’s column, printed in its entirety:

"I’m tired of living in the shadows. It’s time to come out of the pantry closet.

Now that the Supreme Court has ruled that everyone has a constitutional right to marry anyone (or anything), I have come to a huge decision. I have decided to marry bacon.

I’ve been struggling with this for a long time and never told anyone. As I think about it, I’ve had a preoccupation for pork since I was 12. I think God made me to spend the rest of my life with bacon. I’ve decided that I love bacon and you do not choose who you love. And since I am not a Jew, and Jesus never specifically mentioned or prohibited marrying bacon, I think I’m good.

My wife has suspected it for quite some time. My family has accepted it. I hope you do too. In fact, I demand it, so don’t criticize me or be intolerant. That would be ‘ham’aphobic. This doesn’t hurt ‘non-bacon’ marriages in any way, and I’ve been reading all kinds of scientific journals that tell me it won’t hurt my children (bacon bits) either since they will be in a home of love.

My doctor has been telling me for a while that this lifelong affair I’ve had with pork will hurt me, but what does he know. If I do get hospitalized because of it, at least now the doctor and hospital can release medical records to my bacon buddy, and give me visitation rights since we are a legitimate family now.

The definition of Marriage has evolved like society, and I am so glad that now my sizzling union is protected by the Constitution, and promoted by my president. I may even flirt some with my new bride’s sister – turkey-bacon. I’m going to go hog wild.

I’ll proudly wear the LGBT label too. Loving Great Bacon Tremendously. It is a civil right and will lower the humiliation of others who have been ham-hiding. I’m also looking for a church that will accept bacon every day, and not just once in a while at the Saturday men’s breakfast. Studies and stats have shown that accepting me and my bacon will likely doom that church, but that’s alright. The church should comply with this and any other cultural shift.

That’s it. Just wanted you to know. I’ll be doing the ceremony downtown on Fountain Square. Probably during the Flying Pig. I feel so liberated now. Who knows, someday I may also re-identify myself as scrambled eggs to be a better match for bacon. But that would be ridiculous."
 

Walter Kerr

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If there was an election for "America's Pastor", Franklin Graham would get my vote.
It would be a good choice. He is a man of courage and conviction.

Let's also have a thought for Todd Starns? He must be under great pressure being in the media and he definietly has the courage of his convictions too.

Both outstanding men in their respective fields and we should pray for them.
 

pixelpusher

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Good article by SBC's Russell Moore:

Why the church should neither cave nor panic about the decision on gay marriage
This opinion piece is by Russell Moore, president of the Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission of the Southern Baptist Convention.

As I write this, the Supreme Court has handed down what will be the “Roe v. Wade” of marriage, redefining marriage in all 50 states. This is a sober moment, and I am a conscientious dissenter from this ruling. The Court now has disregarded thousands of years of definition of the most foundational unit of society, and the cultural changes here will be broad and deep. So how should the church respond?

First of all, the church should not panic. The Supreme Court can do many things, but the Supreme Court cannot get Jesus back in that tomb. Jesus of Nazareth is still alive. He is still calling the universe toward his kingdom.

Moreover, while this decision will, I believe, ultimately hurt many people and families and civilization itself, the gospel doesn’t need “family values” to flourish. In fact, the church often thrives when it is in sharp contrast to the cultures around it. That was the case in Ephesus and Philippi and Corinth and Rome, which held to marriage views out of step with the Scriptures.

[Here are the key excerpts on religious liberty from the Supreme Court’s decision on gay marriage]

The church will need in the years ahead to articulate what we believe about marriage; we cannot assume that people agree with us, or even understand us. Let’s not simply talk about marriage in terms of values or culture or human flourishing. Let’s talk about marriage the way Jesus and the apostles taught us to — as bound up with the gospel itself, a picture of the union of Christ and his church (Eph. 5:32).

As we do so, we must not just articulate our views of marriage, we must embody a gospel marriage culture. We have done a poor job of that in the past. Too many of our marriages have been ravaged by divorce.

Too often we’ve neglected church discipline in the cases of those who have unrepentantly destroyed their marriages. We must repent of our failings and picture to the world what marriage is meant to be, and keep the light lit to the old paths.

This gives the church an opportunity to do what Jesus called us to do with our marriages in the first place: to serve as a light in a dark place. Permanent, stable marriages with families with both a mother and a father may well make us seem freakish in 21st-century culture.

We should not fear that. We believe stranger things than that. We believe a previously dead man is alive, and will show up in the Eastern skies on a horse. We believe that the gospel can forgive sinners like us and make us sons and daughters. Let’s embrace the sort of freakishness that saves.

[Why the Supreme Court decision on gay marriage represents a new era for evangelicals]

Let’s also recognize that if we’re right about marriage, and I believe we are, many people will be disappointed in getting what they want. Many of our neighbors believe that a redefined concept of marriage will simply expand the institution (and, let’s be honest, many will want it to keep on expanding). This will not do so, because sexual complementarity is not ancillary to marriage. The church must prepare for the refugees from the sexual revolution.

We must prepare for those, like the sexually wayward Woman at the Well of Samaria, who will be thirsting for water of which they don’t even know.

There are two sorts of churches that will not be able to reach the sexual revolution’s refugees. A church that has given up on the truth of the Scriptures, including on marriage and sexuality, and has nothing to say to a fallen world. And a church that screams with outrage at those who disagree will have nothing to say to those who are looking for a new birth.

We must stand with conviction and with kindness, with truth and with grace. We must hold to our views and love those who hate us for them. We must not only speak Christian truths; we must speak with a Christian accent. We must say what Jesus has revealed, and we must say those things the way Jesus does — with mercy and with an invitation to new life.

[After Supreme Court ruling, religious groups worry next shoe will drop]

Some Christians will be tempted to anger, lashing out at the world around us with a narrative of decline. That temptation is wrong. God decided when we would be born, and when we would be born again. We have the Spirit and the gospel. To think that we deserve to live in different times is to tell God that we deserve a better mission field than the one he has given us. Let’s joyfully march to Zion.

The witness to marriage will be, like the pro-life movement, a long-term strategy that is multi-pronged. This is no time for fear or outrage or politicizing. We see that we are strangers and exiles in American culture. We are on the wrong side of history, just like we started. We should have been all along.

Let’s seek the kingdom. Let’s stand with the gospel. Let’s fear our God. But let’s not fear our mission field.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...nor-panic-about-the-decision-on-gay-marriage/
This article is SPOT ON, in how we need to deal with this.

Quote of the day from the article:
The Supreme Court can do many things, but the Supreme Court cannot get Jesus back in that tomb.
 

Wes K

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Thanks! That's the verse I was looking for. Why do you think it only refers to the tribulation period? I'd really like to know more. I always thought it was before the rapture that God would bring a final revival, or at least that's what I was taught. It does seem though that we are witnessing more a spirit of confusion and deception as you said. I'm even seeing Christians compromise and make excuses for gay support -- they are being deceived!
I don't have any verses to quote right now, but there are many and my understanding of the whole New Testament is that spiritual confusion and immorality will continue to get worse and worse until the rapture. Many false teachers today are saying we need to do our job as Christians and make this country and this world a better place so that Jesus can come back - NOT TRUE! The Bible clearly teaches that things will get worse and worse until Jesus comes back as King for His 1000 year Millennial reign. As bad as it is now, and as bad as it will get yet before the rapture, it is not even close to the evil that will overcome the world after the rapture takes place.

But it is also at that time, after the rapture and during the Tribulation, when there will be a great revival as you mentioned, and great multitudes will be saved. Many people who are sitting on the fence concerning Jesus will suddenly realize that all their Christian friends and family members have been raptured. As we read in Revelation 7, there will be the 144,000 Jews preaching the Gospel and also as we read in Revelation 11 there will be two witnesses and in Revelation 14, an angel flying in midheaven preaching the Gospel worldwide

Rev 7:9
9 After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could count, from every nation and all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, and palm branches were in their hands;

Rev 7:13-14
13 Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, “These who are clothed in the white robes, who are they, and where have they come from?” 14 I said to him, “My lord, you know.” And he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

3 And I will grant authority to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for twelve hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth.”

Rev 14:6-7
6 And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, having an eternal gospel to preach to those who live on the earth, and to every nation and tribe and tongue and people; 7 and he said with a loud voice, “Fear God, and give Him glory, because the hour of His judgment has come; worship Him who made the heaven and the earth and sea and springs of waters.”


Read Ezekiel chapters 36 through 39 and pay close attention to how many times the Word of God says something like this: "and they will know that I am the Lord" God's Word says something like that many times throughout these chapters. This is as a result of God pouring His wrath on Israel's enemies and with the pouring out of the Holy Spirit, they will turn to God and want to build the 3rd temple, and it says in more than one place that the whole world "will know that I am the Lord" After reading all of Ezekiel 36-39, then see what God says at the very end of chapter 39, verse 29 as quoted below

Ezekiel 36:24-27
24 For I will take you from the nations, gather you from all the lands and bring you into your own land. 25 Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols. 26 Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. 27 I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will be careful to observe My ordinances.

Ezekiel 39:29
29 I will not hide My face from them any longer, for I will have poured out My Spirit on the house of Israel,” declares the Lord God.


Now read all of Joel chapter 2 and then see what it says in verses 27-32. Verse27 speaks about how Israel will then know that "I am the Lord your God" and verse 28 "that I will pour out My Spirit on all mankind". Sound like what God says in Ezekiel after He pours His wrath on Gog/Magog and Israel's enemies are destroyed. It is then that Israel and the whole world will know that "I am the Lord" as His Word says over and over again in Ezekiel 36-39. Verses 30 and 31 of Joel 2 as seen below, then speak about God's wrath in His judgements which He pours out on the earth during the Tribulation as we read about in Revelation.

Joel 2:27-32
27 “Thus you will know that I am in the midst of Israel,
And that I am the Lord your God
,
And there is no other;
And My people will never be put to shame.
28 “It will come about after this
That I will pour out My Spirit on all mankind
;
And your sons and daughters will prophesy,
Your old men will dream dreams,
Your young men will see visions.
29 “Even on the male and female servants
I will pour out My Spirit in those days.
30 “I will display wonders in the sky and on the earth,
Blood, fire and columns of smoke.
31 “The sun will be turned into darkness
And the moon into blood
Before the great and awesome day of the Lord comes
.
32 “And it will come about that whoever calls on the name of the Lord
Will be delivered;
For on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem
There will be those who escape,
As the Lord has said,
Even among the survivors whom the Lord calls.
 

Kris762

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I pray for our pastors that continue to stand strong on the word of Christ, they will need our prayers in the coming weeks months and years ahead as preaching the truth will now officially be in direct contrast with this new law. They will be hunted, singled out, persecuted and potentially charged with hate crimes for teaching the truth about same sex marriage. They will in the days to come be considered law breakers, common criminals and most likely charged in order to break them, to bow to mans law.

Stand strong pastors, do not waiver, relent or submit...the people need to hear the truth spoken from the pulpits, now is the time we will all be tested for our faith. I pray we remain like stone, refusing to move on Gods Word, and with Christ as our cornerstone we will do just that.

Psalm 144:1
Praise be to the Lord my Rock, who trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle.
 

Wes K

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Just to clarify, by what I posted a few posts back, I did not mean to make it sound like there are not many people getting saved now and up until the rapture. There are many coming to faith in Jesus every moment. We are so blessed to be living in this time, what a time to be sharing the Gospel! As it has been mentioned in this thread already, the darker the evil in this world gets, the brighter the light of Christ shines out of each of us who are indwelt by His Holy Spirit. We need to let that light shine brighter despite what is going on in the world around us, and share the Gospel of Jesus Christ with those who cross our paths. As people see the world falling apart, many unbelievers are more open to the Gospel than ever before. In a world full of bad news, sharing the Good News with people we meet brings a very welcoming contrast to what they are normally hearing everyday.
 

followerofjesus

Slave of Christ
Mathew 5:13-16:
13"You are the salt of the earth; but if the salt has become tasteless, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled under foot by men.
14"You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hidden;
15 nor does anyone light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on the lampstand, and it gives light to all who are in the house.
16"Let your light shine before men in such a way that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven.
 

Wes K

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Any advice and examples on how to witness without coming across as a homophobic bigot would be helpful! I put out a few feelers this afternoon and the lady I was talking to was all for the live and let live, but really didn't understand why any believer or church could be persecuted. I really need to pray first before I open my mouth; I am not an experienced witness. Suggestions?
I know there are different ways to go about witnessing, but I will try to explain a bit about how the Holy Spirit has led me in sharing the Gospel. I hope this can be of some use to you or others. I'm a simple guy, and I thank God that His Gospel is so simple. I try not to get overly concerned about if I'm going to say the right thing or not. I try to let my love for God and other people be my motivation for sharing the Gospel. I try to be sure that whatever I say is true to the Word of God, trust the Holy Spirit and let Him do the speaking through me, and most importantly, preach Christ crucified and give Him all the glory. When sharing the Gospel, I rely on the Word of God. There is so much power in the name of Jesus, in the Word of God, and in the Gospel. As Romans 1:16 says "16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes..." I have found it to be very effective to memorize verses which clearly show a person that salvation is a gift from God by His grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone. Whenever I get the chance I will quote some of those verses as I share the Gospel with people. I will have to make another post at a later time with some of the verses which I think are helpful to have memorized. I try to make it clear that what I'm sharing with them is what God says in His own Word, the Bible, and that it's not just my personal beliefs or another person's teaching, or some man-made religion. When going through the New Testament, pay close attention to how the people shared the Gospel, whether it's Jesus, John the Baptist, Paul, or Peter. Read Acts chapters 2 and 3 and notice how Peter shared the Gospel. Some other verses that come to mind, bold text added for emphasis:

1 Corinthians 1:17-31 and 2:1-5

17 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not in cleverness of speech, so that the cross of Christ would not be made void. 18 For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written, “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, And the cleverness of the clever I will set aside.” 20 Where is the wise man? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21 For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God, God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. 22 For indeed Jews ask for signs and Greeks search for wisdom; 23 but we preach Christ crucified, to Jews a stumbling block and to Gentiles foolishness, 24 but to those who are the called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men. 26 For consider your calling, brethren, that there were not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble; 27 but God has chosen the foolish things of the world to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to shame the things which are strong, 28 and the base things of the world and the despised God has chosen, the things that are not, so that He may nullify the things that are, 29 so that no man may boast before God. 30 But by His doing you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption, 31 so that, just as it is written, “Let him who boasts, boast in the Lord.”

1 Corinthians 2:1-5
And when I came to you, brethren, I did not come with superiority of speech or of wisdom, proclaiming to you the testimony of God. 2 For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified. 3 I was with you in weakness and in fear and in much trembling, 4 and my message and my preaching were not in persuasive words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, 5 so that your faith would not rest on the wisdom of men, but on the power of God.

In John 10:27-28 Jesus said "27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; 28 and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand." When we rely on the Holy Spirit and clearly share the Gospel, giving all glory to God through His Son Jesus, the God-Man who was crucified in our place as a payment for an infinite sin debt which we all owe to God, those who are His sheep will hear and understand and receive the Truth, and God will cause the seed to grow into salvation. We must understand that we have nothing to do with "bringing someone to Christ". We can take no credit for it, just as we can take no credit for our own salvation. God through His Holy Spirit is the one who draws a person, He is the One who gives us the desire and the ability to share His Gospel with others, and He is the One who is responsible for all the growth that takes place once the seed is planted. Our job is to simply allow God to use us as a vessel to bring His Gospel to people.

Here are some tips I've gathered as I've searched for ways to improve witnessing. I can't take credit for these tips and I wish I could remember where I got them from so I could give them credit.

Things to focus on when sharing the Gospel:
1 Man's sinfulness
2 God's love and grace
3 Jesus is God the Son, He is fully God and fully Man, the second person of the Trinity (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) and the only way to be saved from our sin

How to better allow the Holy Spirit to work through you:
1 Prayer
2 clearly identify and confess my sins to God
3 genuinely crave or desire to Holy Spirit to control my life
4 unreservedly yield my whole being to God for whatever He wants to do with me - He is the potter, I am the clay
5 conviction of and confess my inadequacy
6 Believing God will do the work and enable me to share Him with others

Be Prayerful. Pray for open doors and open hearts and for the words to say (Col. 4:2-6).
Be Purposeful. Your goal is not to make decisions, but to make disciples of the Lord Jesus Christ, teaching them to observe everything He has commanded (Mat. 28:19-20).
Be Gentle and Compassionate. Avoid quarreling and arguing. Be kind and courteous. There are times to share and times to listen. People don't care how much you know until they know how much you care (Mark 6:34, Titus 3:2, 2 Tim. 2:24-26).
Be Patient and Loving. Be ready to invest time as you make disciples and share the love of God. Your love for Christ and your love for the lost will motivate and encourage you to be a faithful witness (1 Cor. 13:4).
Be Specific. Your mission is to tell people how the Lord Jesus Christ can save them from the power, punishment and ultimately, the presence of sin (1 Pet. 2:24; 1 John 1:7).
Be Persuasive and Passionate. You are sharing the greatest news they will ever hear about the greatest gift they could ever receive from the greatest Man who ever lived. Implore them on behalf of Christ to make a volitional response to the Gospel (2 Cor. 5:11, 20).
Be Bold. Warn people who reject Christ and the Gospel that God's wrath will be their punishment and hell will be their prison with no escape (2 Thes. 1:5-10).

Be Christ-like. God gave us the ministry of reconciliation and we are ambassadors for Christ such that God is making His appeal through us (2 Cor. 5:18-20).
 

NCannie

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Was just thinking too that I really miss my Mom! She was a true believer and love the Lord right up until the day she passed almost 2 years ago this August. I owe her so much for all she taught me. She was the one and only person I knew who loved the Lord. I can't wait to see her again!! I know she would have been appalled today. I want to ask my question again... Isn't there a scripture somewhere that talks about the pouring out of the Holy Spirit in the last days? How does that apply to now? I don't see any signs of revival, but the opposite. People's hearts are hardening.
My DH and I support a group out of Michigan that sends small groups to churches for 2 weeks at a time. They spend that time with the church. The goal is for revival; but within the church body itself. It is amazing the people in the church who either don't know Jesus or who have become lazy in their faith. It was an amazing 2 weeks and really a new beginning for our church members. I receive letters from the CEO and recently the revivals are growing. He told us of a church that invited them in. Before the second night was over the preacher went out to other churches of different denominations and asked them to join the group. He said it was like an entire town was going through revival. This is one of the reasons we have been supporting them because we feel revival amongst the Body of Christ is where it needs to begin. We need to take care of our house before we can go to others. Just a thought.
 

Walter Kerr

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Do they have to shove it in our faces with all the rhetoric and colors projected on the White House and also in Colorado?
I am afraid that they do have to "shove it in our faces" brethorn.

That is their life, their reason for being. They expend all their energies and talent to bring in this wickedness, to bring about the spiritual death of our respective nations and, when they get a result, they quite naturally boast about it.

Worse, they are "shoving it in the face" of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. He remains silent because He is long suffering not wanting any to perish. In His love and mercy He allows them to heap even more scorn upon His head.

But the "Lamb of God" will soon reveal Himself as the "Lion of Judah" and the whole scene will change. These tragic people will then realise that they have expended their life's energies on foolishness and wickedness and "scattering abroad." It is not too hard to realise that there will then be "weeping and gnashing of teeth."
 
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