Biden to announce ban on US imports of Russian oil

Dave_97

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Last I heard a Tesla cost 150,000 and 25,000 to change the battery.
Russia produces most of the world's nickel and yesterday they halted trading of nickel because it went up 300 %.
The price of an electric car is going to double like everything else.
Im not sure where you are getting 150,000? Is that in dollars? The Tesla starts at 45,000 US dollars. With the most expensive model being about 90,000.

In terms of the battery, I’m reading its insured for the first 5-8 years (depending on the model), and the battery cost replacement for the 45k Tesla model is around $3000-$7000 ish. Then again your average America doesn’t use a car for 10 years anyways.

I still wouldn’t get it though for other various reasons. But overall personally I don’t think it’s a terrible option for those who have it.

And yes the prices are probably going to go up due to this recent war.
 

yrrek

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I use to tease my friend (kindly) because he would dress up and pretend to live in the 1800s… reenacting it I guess. Sometimes he would stay out in the “community” for a whole week. Doesn’t seem so silly now.
 

HalfGEEK

Active Member
Leasing a vehicle, IMO, is a loss in the end, without regard to gas or ev. Big down payment, then you give it back at the end of the lease and own nothing. The company that leased it to you inspects the vehicle looking for every little dent for which they bill you and sometimes have phony close out fees you were never aware of. You can maintain the vehicle diligently, pay the numerous fees associated with having a car, then give it back to its real owner, leaving you to start from scratch.
I definitely agree about the leasing thing. The only reason I leased was because the batteries were so new to the market (again, this was in 2014) and it was a way for me to "test" whether I wanted to keep the car long-term or not. I loved the car so much that I was fully planning to buy out the lease - but it was totaled in an accident. The good news was that because it was leased, I did not owe a single cent on the car in a loan payoff or anything.

Also - I NEVER pay a down payment on a car. NEVER. I did not put a down payment on the lease either. I just told them - No, I am not doing that. Then I stay there for HOURS. That day I was at the dealership for about 9 hours. I just keep negotiating with them. I am just really stubborn with them. I am not rude. I am very nice. But I keep saying no. And then, because I spend so many hours there, I think I wear them down. I go in with my laptop, and I have everything already calculated. Tax, tag, title. Everything. So when they give me a quote, I quickly show them that the price they are quoting is wrong. Then, I tell them how much I love the car - but keep politely pushing for a better deal. Then - after spending HOURS there, I say "I am really sad you won't work with me. I really love this car. But I am not paying that." And I get up and leave. They chase me EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. Because they have spent so many hours with me, they don't want to lose the sell. It is very exhausting. And you do spend an entire day at a dealership. But if you really stick to your guns - you will get the deal because they wasted an entire day with you and don't want to walk away without a sale. And no, they did not add the down payment to the end of the lease because I also negotiated the payoff price up front based on Kelley Blue Book and typical values of the cars at the end of 3 years.

The very best car deal I ever got was when I took my 6 month old twins in to the dealership who had missed their nap. It was beautiful. I got the car for less than the Kelley Blue Book value and I got out of there in 3 hours. They were desperate for me to leave. EVERYONE should take tired babies to a dealership to buy cars. :laugh:laugh
 

Footsteps

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I definitely agree about the leasing thing. The only reason I leased was because the batteries were so new to the market (again, this was in 2014) and it was a way for me to "test" whether I wanted to keep the car long-term or not. I loved the car so much that I was fully planning to buy out the lease - but it was totaled in an accident. The good news was that because it was leased, I did not owe a single cent on the car in a loan payoff or anything.

Also - I NEVER pay a down payment on a car. NEVER. I did not put a down payment on the lease either. I just told them - No, I am not doing that. Then I stay there for HOURS. That day I was at the dealership for about 9 hours. I just keep negotiating with them. I am just really stubborn with them. I am not rude. I am very nice. But I keep saying no. And then, because I spend so many hours there, I think I wear them down. I go in with my laptop, and I have everything already calculated. Tax, tag, title. Everything. So when they give me a quote, I quickly show them that the price they are quoting is wrong. Then, I tell them how much I love the car - but keep politely pushing for a better deal. Then - after spending HOURS there, I say "I am really sad you won't work with me. I really love this car. But I am not paying that." And I get up and leave. They chase me EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. Because they have spent so many hours with me, they don't want to lose the sell. It is very exhausting. And you do spend an entire day at a dealership. But if you really stick to your guns - you will get the deal because they wasted an entire day with you and don't want to walk away without a sale. And no, they did not add the down payment to the end of the lease because I also negotiated the payoff price up front based on Kelley Blue Book and typical values of the cars at the end of 3 years.

The very best car deal I ever got was when I took my 6 month old twins in to the dealership who had missed their nap. It was beautiful. I got the car for less than the Kelley Blue Book value and I got out of there in 3 hours. They were desperate for me to leave. EVERYONE should take tired babies to a dealership to buy cars. :laugh:laugh
OUTSTANDING advice! If you can’t find babies, bring your brother-in-law’s hyper children and start them playing hide-and-seek in the showroom.
 

glc11

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A Tesla costs nearly as much as a Mercedes, can't afford them right now. I never liked the idea of fully-electric cars because if for some reason you run out of power, how are you going to get electricity from the charging station to your vehicle? Also, fueling up a gas-powered vehicle takes three minutes to go from empty to full-tank. But even with fast-charging, it can take several hours to power your all-electric vehicle to at least 80% capacity. If prices keep rising to ever unaffordable levels, I'll buy a foldable bike I can ride around and take inside the stores with me. A bicycle is totally green and can go 90 miles on a single hamburger.
I agree. Have you ever been in a parking garage near the charging stations and seen people charging their cars and impatiently pacing and checking their watches? No thanks!
I guess the hybrids are more of the way to go? Both electric and gas (?)
 

glc11

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I definitely agree about the leasing thing. The only reason I leased was because the batteries were so new to the market (again, this was in 2014) and it was a way for me to "test" whether I wanted to keep the car long-term or not. I loved the car so much that I was fully planning to buy out the lease - but it was totaled in an accident. The good news was that because it was leased, I did not owe a single cent on the car in a loan payoff or anything.

Also - I NEVER pay a down payment on a car. NEVER. I did not put a down payment on the lease either. I just told them - No, I am not doing that. Then I stay there for HOURS. That day I was at the dealership for about 9 hours. I just keep negotiating with them. I am just really stubborn with them. I am not rude. I am very nice. But I keep saying no. And then, because I spend so many hours there, I think I wear them down. I go in with my laptop, and I have everything already calculated. Tax, tag, title. Everything. So when they give me a quote, I quickly show them that the price they are quoting is wrong. Then, I tell them how much I love the car - but keep politely pushing for a better deal. Then - after spending HOURS there, I say "I am really sad you won't work with me. I really love this car. But I am not paying that." And I get up and leave. They chase me EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. Because they have spent so many hours with me, they don't want to lose the sell. It is very exhausting. And you do spend an entire day at a dealership. But if you really stick to your guns - you will get the deal because they wasted an entire day with you and don't want to walk away without a sale. And no, they did not add the down payment to the end of the lease because I also negotiated the payoff price up front based on Kelley Blue Book and typical values of the cars at the end of 3 years.

The very best car deal I ever got was when I took my 6 month old twins in to the dealership who had missed their nap. It was beautiful. I got the car for less than the Kelley Blue Book value and I got out of there in 3 hours. They were desperate for me to leave. EVERYONE should take tired babies to a dealership to buy cars. :laugh:laugh
This is so funny! And yes, my dad who is a such a sweet polite man, has scored many deals at car dealerships doing the same thing…… hanging around for hours and hours but resisting. We always want to bring him along when we buy cars
 

Bethlehem57

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No they don't. Our Stepford “President” has to go along with what he has been programmed to do. The folks pushing his buttons won't let him stray from the script.
I don’t listen to this comedian named Jeff something, I think. But he’s a ventriloquist and if you look at a picture of him and one of his dummies, Walter, it looks just like the bumbler!
 
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