Betsy DeVos blasts Democrats' 'crazy' plans to eliminate student loan debt

antitox

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https://www.foxnews.com/media/betsy-devos-education-interview-student-loan-debt

Education Secretary Betsy DeVos panned Democratic proposals to eliminate student loan debt, calling them a "federal takeover of higher education."
DeVos appeared on "Special Report" on Friday and said if the federal government forgives college loan debt, the burden would be shifted to those Americans who opted not to go to college.

"Their proposals are crazy," she said, saying some could cost into the trillions of dollars.
"Who do they think is actually going to pay for these? It's going to be two of the three Americans that aren't going to college paying for the one out of three that do," DeVos said. "Let's look at this for what it really is: A federal takeover of higher education."



On the Democratic primary ballot, Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., released a plan in Junethat calls for all student debt to be eliminated regardless of family income level, and that students from families with incomes of $25,000 or less would have their college costs covered.

The plan would be paid for with a tax on stock trades, bonds, derivatives and other types of investments. The Vermont lawmaker called the plan "a revolutionary proposal."
Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., said she plans to cancel $50,000 in student debt for each person with household incomes under $100,000.

On "Special Report," DeVos, 61, said fixing the American education system is the most important issue for the nation's future.
"We are not preparing students today," said claimed. "We need to see education in the future being really engaging, personal, relevant -- and every student able to achieve their fullest potential."
DeVos said American education scores are nowhere near those of other nations.
"Two out of three eighth-graders can't read or write at their grade level," she said.
DeVos also rejected a claim by Randi Weingarten of the American Federation of Teachers, who claimed President Trump is not properly supporting the public education system.
"The Trump administration is not doing anything on public education," Weingarten said. "We have to make sure [public schools] are well-funded and we have to make sure that they have the resources they need so that every child has a shot in public school."
DeVos said people can't do "the same thing over and over again and [be] expecting different results."
"The pivot that we need to make is a dramatic one," she said. "It is to really allow for education freedom -- for parents and students to find the right fit to prepare them for their futures."
 

DanLMP

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A friend of mine ran up around $45k in college loans becoming a physicians assistant. He enlisted in the National Guard and they wiped out his debt as an enlistment bonus. Now he gives physicals and flu shots to recruits.
Although that is great for them not all degrees are going to have an opportunity like that.

We got into this mess when the Federal Government got too involved with the College Loan system. I don't think getting more involved will fix it.

A lot of students will have college loan monthly payments equal to or exceeding a mortgage. My wife and I got married late in life and therefore had kids late. I was 41 when our first came. Our financial planner said our income level could either save for their tuition or for our retirement, not both.
 

mattfivefour

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DeVos said American education scores are nowhere near those of other nations.
"Two out of three eighth-graders can't read or write at their grade level," she said.
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DeVos said people can't do "the same thing over and over again and [be] expecting different results."
"The pivot that we need to make is a dramatic one," she said. "It is to really allow for education freedom -- for parents and students to find the right fit to prepare them for their futures."
Exactly! Yet another great move for America by the Trump administration. No wonder the Democrats want to stop it. If America were to become great again it would hinder their plans to inflict their fantasy of socialism and its so-called benefits upon us all.
 

Endangered

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My doctor has a student intern. He is almost done with school. He told me he had a mortgage but no house. It took me a minute but I finally figured out he was talking about his student loans.
I agree with a previous post that the gov has no business being in student loans. These schemes to pay off loans are nothing more than subsidies to colleges and vote buying schemes.
Maybe colleges and universities shouldn't charge so much.
 

Cindy S.

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My doctor has a student intern. He is almost done with school. He told me he had a mortgage but no house. It took me a minute but I finally figured out he was talking about his student loans.
I agree with a previous post that the gov has no business being in student loans. These schemes to pay off loans are nothing more than subsidies to colleges and vote buying schemes.
Maybe colleges and universities shouldn't charge so much.
It's ok, he'll make it up on patient billing.
 

InsuranceGuy

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It's ok, he'll make it up on patient billing.

One of my doctors is the Head of Head & Neck Cancer for SSM. She's over the entire ordeal and she's young. We discussed student loans as my daughter wants to be a surgeon/doctor. She told me she moved back in with her parents after 8 years in college and a 1 year residency (she went through an advanced paced program at KU). Her student loan debt left her unable to even afford her car and apartment, so she spent two full years paying every penny she made on her loans. We got on this topic because I asked her which schools would be best for my daughter. Mackenzie (my doc) said very plainly my daughter should NOT become a doctor. She was serious too. Fortunately for her, she had a lot of her college paid for on scholarships. Even with that, it took TWO years of not going out, not eating out or anything else to pay off what she owed. Her way of putting it was this; "I was broke from the time I was 18 (medical school is too difficult to attend a fast track school and work at the same time) until I was almost 32. It was 14 years of my life I will never get back and I regret ever making the decision." She works mostly with dying cancer patients, so she has learned how precious time is.

It should NEVER be this way. Our youth is our future. Nobody needs "free" school, however, no University needs to have over $1 Billion in the bank, and many of them do. That's sickening. Government loans are a joke too. They profit off the future of the Nation? That sickens me too. If my daughter does go through school and become a surgeon, her estimated tuition with no scholarships is over $450,000. Fortunately, she will have some scholarships, but she's still likely to come out owing over $150,000. That's just horrible. Do you want your surgeon stressed about their student loans while they are performing brain surgery on you or a family member??????
 

RonJohnSilver

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If I could do my life over, I would not go to college. Except for those degree programs which require more training..., medicine, law, engineering, etc, a college degree is just not necessary. When I was working, many of the systems (computer) people I worked with got their training in a trade school. Trade schools and internships would meet many of today's needs.
 

Cindy S.

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One of my doctors is the Head of Head & Neck Cancer for SSM. She's over the entire ordeal and she's young. We discussed student loans as my daughter wants to be a surgeon/doctor. She told me she moved back in with her parents after 8 years in college and a 1 year residency (she went through an advanced paced program at KU). Her student loan debt left her unable to even afford her car and apartment, so she spent two full years paying every penny she made on her loans. We got on this topic because I asked her which schools would be best for my daughter. Mackenzie (my doc) said very plainly my daughter should NOT become a doctor. She was serious too. Fortunately for her, she had a lot of her college paid for on scholarships. Even with that, it took TWO years of not going out, not eating out or anything else to pay off what she owed. Her way of putting it was this; "I was broke from the time I was 18 (medical school is too difficult to attend a fast track school and work at the same time) until I was almost 32. It was 14 years of my life I will never get back and I regret ever making the decision." She works mostly with dying cancer patients, so she has learned how precious time is.

It should NEVER be this way. Our youth is our future. Nobody needs "free" school, however, no University needs to have over $1 Billion in the bank, and many of them do. That's sickening. Government loans are a joke too. They profit off the future of the Nation? That sickens me too. If my daughter does go through school and become a surgeon, her estimated tuition with no scholarships is over $450,000. Fortunately, she will have some scholarships, but she's still likely to come out owing over $150,000. That's just horrible. Do you want your surgeon stressed about their student loans while they are performing brain surgery on you or a family member??????
Wow, I never heard it from a Drs. perspective.
 

athenasius

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Ok, speaking as an RN who was aiming for an MD when she met the guy in the picture and changed plans. And as a homeschool mum who took her kids thru high school at home. (Both got degrees --one in biology, emphasis genetics, the other a dual degree in business and computer science/programming.)

The FIRST thing is to fix the elementary and secondary schools. REMOVE ALL THE SOCIAL PROGRAMMING and teach skills like READING, WRITING and ARITHMETIC FOLLOWED BY MATH. Teach facts not opinion when it comes to science and geography and history. LET THE KIDS draw their own conclusions as they read and study actual source documents and journals written by the participants of history. DON'T force theories on kids as facts. Teach them to reason.

In the spare time, teach them to budget, balance a chequebook (I know but whatever passes for a bank balance these days) and teach the skills of cooking meals, mending clothes, household repairs, car repairs.

Will it happen? NOPE, not unless you the parent take over your God Given responsibility and either teach the kiddies yourself or pay a suitable delegate to teach them. By suitable delegate I mean someone who can teach the above without wasting the child's time on nonsense like the LGBTQ agenda or identity politics or even such brain destroying stuff as the old look say method of reading which is guaranteed to create learning disabilities in those of us like myself that tend to dyslexia.

NEXT consider higher ed, but NOT AT UNIVERSITY.

I'm with Insurance Guy's MD specialist on this one. What she said is what I've seen. People are ready to accuse Drs of greed when in fact they put a HUGE chunk of their lives on hold for that MD and beyond. The costs are enormous. Which is why Canada trains Dr's and then sees them move to the States where they are allowed to recoup some of their financial losses. Part of that fee you pay the Dr also goes to pay rent on his office, pay the receptionist, pay any staff in the background, buy supplies that he needs to peek in your ear, down your throat or up your backside.

Higher Ed if I could have a do over for our kids wouldn't involve University, it would be Trade School for mechanic, plumber, carpentry or the like or the many 2 year programs we have in Canada that teach LPN's, Electricians, Forestry technologists, Computer Techs etc.

In each case our kids would not be saddled with debt. (they aren't but we worked VERY HARD at that, they lived at home, and attended a local university and paid for courses out of savings we put aside from birth. They worked jobs while attending uni, and Grandparents helped out with costs too) AND they would have the advantage of being out in the work force quickly, earning an decent wage and achieving independence.

I'll tell you this. If more parents and the teens/young adults BOYCOTTED the educational system, the system would be forced to change for the better.

One of the reasons the schools and university/colleges get away with the stupid courses and political indoctrination is -------

wait for it -----

GOVERNMENT FUNDING that they get without having to answer to the STUDENT or HIS OR HER PARENTS!

FREE MONEY!!!! from the tax payer.

The long suffering tax payer who has no say as the grade 2 teacher introduces the local perverts, transvestites and Drag Queens to the little class of 7 year olds to teach them about "inclusivity" and deviant unhealthy sexual practices.

HURRAY say the deviant pressure groups, the teacher's unions, the librarians. We are finally free to teach OUR KIDS.

yep in Canada the Teacher's unions refer to the children in their care as THEIR kids. The Govt Education bureaucrats refer to children as belonging to the State.

NOBODY remembers that these children belong to their PARENTS. Even the parents forget that.

GET THIS POINT CLEARLY

The MOMENT that government uses tax money to pay for education, it removes the PARENT from being the consumer of the service. It stops the teacher being accountable to the parents, and NOW the teacher answers to the government.

Literacy rates remained high when parents were in control. The decline of literacy can be traced to the charitable goal of education ALL children equally in free publicly funded education.

This is why schools that answer to parents like Christian schools (but not all of them anymore) or charter schools have better educational outcomes

and also why HOMESCHOOLING OUT PERFORMS THEM ALL. Yeah there's some that don't do well, but there are lots more that don't make it thru high school and end up functionally illiterate coming out of the education factories.

Not everyone CAN homeschool. But everyone with a child, needs to take responsibility back from the school and remember that they are the consumer, the one the school board, the teachers and librarians answer to. Act accordingly. YOU ARE THE BOSS. YOU ARE THE EMPLOYER.

The school board sees parents as cookie baking volunteer pools who serve THEM. TURN THAT AROUND!

If you have to find somewhere else to delegate the teaching task for your child, do it. If you use a distance ed or correspondence program with a teacher who works with your child over the computer or thru correspondence material you might be able to manage even if you don't feel up to the challenge. It's an option. So is finding a way for your child to get into a charter school or a good Christian school.

If those aren't an option, pray for something to open up so that your child isn't damaged for life by some of the things that are happening in schools these days.

Whatever else you do MAKE THEM REALIZE YOU ARE THEIR BOSS AND THEY SHOULDN'T FORGET IT!

We ended up having me quit my RN job and stay home to homeschool. We lived in pretty severe poverty for a few years. But George and I have never regretted it. it was one of the best decisions we ever made.
 

Tall Timbers

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It wouldn't cost a quarter million or more to get a 4 year college education if there was no student loan program. Just as with health care, the more money that's put out there, the more things cost. You wouldn't have a college professor teaching one or two class sessions a month making 6 figure annual salaries. Things would be a lot different...
 
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