Beth Moore has left the SBC

Jan51

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https://the-end-time.org/2021/12/20/beth-moore-is-finally-home/

Beth Moore is finally “home”​

Posted on December 20, 2021
By Elizabeth Prata

Recently Beth Moore departed Lifeway, renounced being a Baptist, and loudly left the Southern Baptist Convention. In June she declared on her Twitter that she had found a “small liturgical church” in her area. Beth has been mightily enjoying this small, liturgical church. It is an Anglican church. Anglican, not Episcopalian.
She and husband Keith became members of it in September. She said she’s figuring out the “kneeling bench”. She bought the book Every Moment Holy Vol 1, containing over 100 liturgies for daily life (including liturgies for meals). She gushed and gushed about being ‘deeply wounded’ in previous churches, and is wowed by loving people who wrapped their arms around her and her husband and welcomed the pair. She was happy to find a different way to worship.

She said she loves saying the Creed. She said the liturgy has filled her with hope again (not Jesus?). She said she and Keith shot to the altar for communion ‘like starving people begging for bread.’ She also loves what this liturgical church is about, because it’s “not just primarily upon what is coming from the pulpit.
Here is the Thread Reader unroll link to read what Beth Moore had to say about this new-found discovery of her “small, liturgical church.”

The Moores’ new church is part of the Anglican Church of North America. You can read about the Anglicans’ beliefs here, but suffice to say, it is as close to Roman Catholic as one can get without being Catholic. Some people in the congregation kneel as they enter the pew, as Catholics do. Some genuflect in the RCC sign of the cross. A crucified Christ remains on the cross attached to the main lectern. Vestments are highly ornate and present on all who serve at the pulpit, including women. Women serve as deacons.
Remember, her husband Keith was raised by staunch Catholics, and Moore has taught publicly that RCC is another denomination akin to Methodists and Baptists.

What is the Anglican Church, and what do Anglicans believe?
Because this is 2021 and people misunderstand and misinterpret things, I’ll be clear. I am NOT saying that Anglican (or other more overt liturgical church denominations of Episcopal, Lutheran, some Presbyterian, and some Methodist) are filled with lost people. NO. Men I respect like JI Packer were Anglican. Chris Rosebrough is a Lutheran pastor. Many millions of people who attend liturgical churches are brethren, blessed by the liturgical service structure and glory in it.

I AM saying that if a person is lost, as Beth Moore is, they will want the trappings of religiosity without the submission. THAT is much easier to find in a liturgical church than a confessional one. They want to appear righteous without the obedience. (Matthew 23:28). They are devoid of the Holy Spirit, so they will want outward religious apparatus, ornamentation, and ritual. They will love the emphasis on liturgical tradition and its script, not “just primarily upon what is coming from the pulpit” as Beth Moore has said. And of course she wants to avoid “what is coming from the pulpit” from her previous churches, the word of God convicts of sin and urges repentance. Moore is neither about obedience to the word nor repenting of her usurping ways with changing her long rebellion against Jesus. She is a seeker of a place that will indulge her ungodly passions.

While many saved people enjoy liturgical services, many false believers find it easier to fit in to them. The service affirms their intellectual assent but does nothing for their soul. These false converts feel satisfied in participating in religious scripts, rather than glorifying God in obedience to His word.

Beth Moore reads from Hebrews during service. A woman, serving as Deacon since 2008, gave the sermon. Notice attached to the pulpit the crucifix with a non-risen Jesus.

There are a great many women serving during the service at Beth Moore’s new church. They wear the priestly-type vestments, speak from the lectern, participate with the priest regarding the Eucharist portion of the service, lead processionals…even give the sermon as a woman did this week. This visible role of women would appeal to a rebel female preacher like Beth Moore. It’s natural for a false convert such as Moore to slide in to a church like this that offers her satisfaction of her lusts. (2 Timothy 3:4)

The second point of my essay is this, and it’s sad. False believers bring with them their false notions.
After just 2 months of being a church member, Beth Moore was asked to teach a study at her new Anglican church. The class is part of her church’s School of Ministry and “is for education for both ordained and lay people.” It’s titled “The Biblical Narrative and How to Teach a Bible Study.” You notice right underneath the class calendar listing screen shot below, is a course about women in ministry – taught by female deacon Rev. Deacon Lisa Schwandt. Schwandt was one of only 3 women invited in 2019 to the College of Bishops meeting (big Anglican meeting, like the SBC Annual Meeting) to discuss women in ministry.

Sadly though, installing Moore so quickly as a teacher in her new church, one by her own admission she is totally unfamiliar with in terms of doctrine and practice, demonstrates that the person making these decisions in her new church lacks discernment. It is unknown whether she is teaching a co-ed class. One person on Twitter asked, but the query went unanswered. She was also asked to MC the church’s Women’s Advent luncheon. (Though she did take time out to carp that she was asked not to speak but only to emcee…). She’s become embedded, fast.

I saw that she was listed as an alter server for an upcoming service. I am not sure what a Ps/Epis does but I think it is a person who reads a Psalm and an Epistle during service. See photo above, where Moore is reading the Epistle of Hebrews. We see in the collage below that Beth Moore is in vestments and serving in a variety of ways during the service.

I am not remarking on a liturgical service or anything about Anglicanism. I am saying that Beth Moore’s departure from the SBC to a place where her heart’s desire has always been to serve in a place the Bible forbids has finally been satisfied. She is finally “home”.

Beth Moore’s gravitation away from the faith is evident in this new move. She has always been me-centered and man-centered. Religious trappings for her are not a vehicle to further glorify God but a way to appear deeply committed, while absent of the obedience Jesus requires to be one of His own.

But realize this, that in the last days difficult times will come. 2 For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, slanderers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 unloving, irreconcilable, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, [a]haters of good, 4 treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 holding to a form of godliness although they have denied its power; avoid such people as these. (2 Timothy 3:1-5) underline mine.

then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from a trial, and to keep the unrighteous under punishment for the day of judgment, 10 and especially those who indulge the flesh in its corrupt passion, and despise authority. (2 Peter 2:9-10)
 

Wings Like Eagles

Well-Known Member
https://the-end-time.org/2021/12/20/beth-moore-is-finally-home/

Beth Moore is finally “home”​

Posted on December 20, 2021
By Elizabeth Prata

Recently Beth Moore departed Lifeway, renounced being a Baptist, and loudly left the Southern Baptist Convention. In June she declared on her Twitter that she had found a “small liturgical church” in her area. Beth has been mightily enjoying this small, liturgical church. It is an Anglican church. Anglican, not Episcopalian.
She and husband Keith became members of it in September. She said she’s figuring out the “kneeling bench”. She bought the book Every Moment Holy Vol 1, containing over 100 liturgies for daily life (including liturgies for meals). She gushed and gushed about being ‘deeply wounded’ in previous churches, and is wowed by loving people who wrapped their arms around her and her husband and welcomed the pair. She was happy to find a different way to worship.

She said she loves saying the Creed. She said the liturgy has filled her with hope again (not Jesus?). She said she and Keith shot to the altar for communion ‘like starving people begging for bread.’ She also loves what this liturgical church is about, because it’s “not just primarily upon what is coming from the pulpit.
Here is the Thread Reader unroll link to read what Beth Moore had to say about this new-found discovery of her “small, liturgical church.”

The Moores’ new church is part of the Anglican Church of North America. You can read about the Anglicans’ beliefs here, but suffice to say, it is as close to Roman Catholic as one can get without being Catholic. Some people in the congregation kneel as they enter the pew, as Catholics do. Some genuflect in the RCC sign of the cross. A crucified Christ remains on the cross attached to the main lectern. Vestments are highly ornate and present on all who serve at the pulpit, including women. Women serve as deacons.
Remember, her husband Keith was raised by staunch Catholics, and Moore has taught publicly that RCC is another denomination akin to Methodists and Baptists.

What is the Anglican Church, and what do Anglicans believe?
Because this is 2021 and people misunderstand and misinterpret things, I’ll be clear. I am NOT saying that Anglican (or other more overt liturgical church denominations of Episcopal, Lutheran, some Presbyterian, and some Methodist) are filled with lost people. NO. Men I respect like JI Packer were Anglican. Chris Rosebrough is a Lutheran pastor. Many millions of people who attend liturgical churches are brethren, blessed by the liturgical service structure and glory in it.

I AM saying that if a person is lost, as Beth Moore is, they will want the trappings of religiosity without the submission. THAT is much easier to find in a liturgical church than a confessional one. They want to appear righteous without the obedience. (Matthew 23:28). They are devoid of the Holy Spirit, so they will want outward religious apparatus, ornamentation, and ritual. They will love the emphasis on liturgical tradition and its script, not “just primarily upon what is coming from the pulpit” as Beth Moore has said. And of course she wants to avoid “what is coming from the pulpit” from her previous churches, the word of God convicts of sin and urges repentance. Moore is neither about obedience to the word nor repenting of her usurping ways with changing her long rebellion against Jesus. She is a seeker of a place that will indulge her ungodly passions.

While many saved people enjoy liturgical services, many false believers find it easier to fit in to them. The service affirms their intellectual assent but does nothing for their soul. These false converts feel satisfied in participating in religious scripts, rather than glorifying God in obedience to His word.

Beth Moore reads from Hebrews during service. A woman, serving as Deacon since 2008, gave the sermon. Notice attached to the pulpit the crucifix with a non-risen Jesus.

There are a great many women serving during the service at Beth Moore’s new church. They wear the priestly-type vestments, speak from the lectern, participate with the priest regarding the Eucharist portion of the service, lead processionals…even give the sermon as a woman did this week. This visible role of women would appeal to a rebel female preacher like Beth Moore. It’s natural for a false convert such as Moore to slide in to a church like this that offers her satisfaction of her lusts. (2 Timothy 3:4)

The second point of my essay is this, and it’s sad. False believers bring with them their false notions.
After just 2 months of being a church member, Beth Moore was asked to teach a study at her new Anglican church. The class is part of her church’s School of Ministry and “is for education for both ordained and lay people.” It’s titled “The Biblical Narrative and How to Teach a Bible Study.” You notice right underneath the class calendar listing screen shot below, is a course about women in ministry – taught by female deacon Rev. Deacon Lisa Schwandt. Schwandt was one of only 3 women invited in 2019 to the College of Bishops meeting (big Anglican meeting, like the SBC Annual Meeting) to discuss women in ministry.

Sadly though, installing Moore so quickly as a teacher in her new church, one by her own admission she is totally unfamiliar with in terms of doctrine and practice, demonstrates that the person making these decisions in her new church lacks discernment. It is unknown whether she is teaching a co-ed class. One person on Twitter asked, but the query went unanswered. She was also asked to MC the church’s Women’s Advent luncheon. (Though she did take time out to carp that she was asked not to speak but only to emcee…). She’s become embedded, fast.

I saw that she was listed as an alter server for an upcoming service. I am not sure what a Ps/Epis does but I think it is a person who reads a Psalm and an Epistle during service. See photo above, where Moore is reading the Epistle of Hebrews. We see in the collage below that Beth Moore is in vestments and serving in a variety of ways during the service.

I am not remarking on a liturgical service or anything about Anglicanism. I am saying that Beth Moore’s departure from the SBC to a place where her heart’s desire has always been to serve in a place the Bible forbids has finally been satisfied. She is finally “home”.

Beth Moore’s gravitation away from the faith is evident in this new move. She has always been me-centered and man-centered. Religious trappings for her are not a vehicle to further glorify God but a way to appear deeply committed, while absent of the obedience Jesus requires to be one of His own.

But realize this, that in the last days difficult times will come. 2 For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, slanderers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 unloving, irreconcilable, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, [a]haters of good, 4 treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 holding to a form of godliness although they have denied its power; avoid such people as these. (2 Timothy 3:1-5) underline mine.

then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from a trial, and to keep the unrighteous under punishment for the day of judgment, 10 and especially those who indulge the flesh in its corrupt passion, and despise authority. (2 Peter 2:9-10)
The fastest way to kill a denomination is to "feminize" it. I saw it myself, growing up in a liberal church. Men won't participate in leadership when all (or even some) of the "important" ministries are headed by women. Maybe it is sinful on their part, or maybe it's not, but there it is. I see nothing in the New Testament which excuses women from having their husbands in authority over them. Even Jesus, who was certainly respectful of women, suggested that the Woman at the Well, should go and get her husband, before He would teach her. Organizations definitely do NOT work well when there are not clear lines of authority. The husbands are supposed to be submitted to Christ's authority and the wives are to be submitted to their own husband's authority. It is the example that children need to see in order to be properly submitted to their parents' authority. As a woman, I have never had a moment when I regretted following the biblical ideal of submitting to my husband's authority. If a woman does not want to submit to a godly husband's authority, she should refrain from marriage. This is assuming, of course, that the husband is truly submitted to Christ. Selecting a husband of good character is the most important decision a woman will ever make. Often, her parents may have reservations and yet she will ignore them and marry the man anyway. As often as not, she will then live to regret the decision for many decades into the future.

As a biblical counselor, I would often counsel women who had myriad complaints about their husbands. It is very important that women select husbands who are properly submitted to Christ, but, after that, if they expect perfection from their husbands, it won't happen. The major complaint is that the wife works a full-time job, does the vast majority of childcare, do most of the housekeeping and attend to both sets of aging parents. One of the greatest moral failings of husbands these days is the shirking of the responsibilities of manhood. Maybe it has always been the case--from the Fall onward. Adam was right there with Eve when she fell. He could have taken authority over the situation (God had given Adam authority over everything that went on in the Garden) and ordered Satan to leave them alone. The modern feminist movement has left many a man confused about his role. That confusion destroyed African-American families decades ago (there were, of course, extenuating circumstances). And now, as the Church wanes in influence, it is doing the same to ALL Western men and their families. America, in particular, has historically had a very strong Christian influence over the culture--not so now and we are suffering over that loss.
 

athenasius

Well-Known Member
SHOCKER!!! :sarcasm

I'm SO not surprised except how long it took her to explode out of the confines of conservative Christianity if SBC can even still be considered conservative any more.

NOW however I suspect she is fast tracking towards ordination as a priest. Or priestess as the case might be!

Anglican is simply the Church of England across the world except for America where it became Episcopalian due to the Revolution and parting ways with mother England.

There is High Church Anglican and Low Church Anglican. High Church is as close to Catholic as you can get and still be in the Protestant camp while Low Church is slightly more evangelical or it used to be a century back or so.

Around my neck of the woods Anglicans are in the lead for ordaining women and extra bonus brownie points if they are lesbians. Which she isn't. So maybe she'll be a little slower in her dash for the pulpit.

She'll be welcomed by her besties in the Mysti Chicks gang

Chris Roseborough called it way back -- here is an article dated Sept 13, 2016

https://churchwatchcentral.com/2016...sing-why-the-mcu-is-a-threat-to-christianity/

I agreed with Chris R on this (not on everything he writes OK) and he nailed it then.

I know a lot of people were unhappy that he was "targeting" Beth as she was one of the sacred cows of Christian women's Bible studies.

He was right.

I know we had a few threads tracking some of the other MystiChicks, including Nadia Bolz Weber who has gone on a similar path to ordination. Only Nadia belongs to the Evangelical Lutheran Church of America where she was ordained.

Laodicea is gathering strength in these last days for the final transformation as they merge into the Whore of Babylon during the Tribulation.

Leaving Biblical norms and standards behind, in their quest to find spiritual truth outside the boundaries.
 

Amethyst

Angie ... †
SHOCKER!!! :sarcasm

I'm SO not surprised except how long it took her to explode out of the confines of conservative Christianity if SBC can even still be considered conservative any more.
Exactly what I was thinking. :ohno

Around my neck of the woods Anglicans are in the lead for ordaining women and extra bonus brownie points if they are lesbians
:doh :puke
 

GotGrace

Well-Known Member
https://the-end-time.org/2021/12/20/beth-moore-is-finally-home/

Beth Moore is finally “home”​

Posted on December 20, 2021
By Elizabeth Prata

Recently Beth Moore departed Lifeway, renounced being a Baptist, and loudly left the Southern Baptist Convention. In June she declared on her Twitter that she had found a “small liturgical church” in her area. Beth has been mightily enjoying this small, liturgical church. It is an Anglican church. Anglican, not Episcopalian.
She and husband Keith became members of it in September. She said she’s figuring out the “kneeling bench”. She bought the book Every Moment Holy Vol 1, containing over 100 liturgies for daily life (including liturgies for meals). She gushed and gushed about being ‘deeply wounded’ in previous churches, and is wowed by loving people who wrapped their arms around her and her husband and welcomed the pair. She was happy to find a different way to worship.

She said she loves saying the Creed. She said the liturgy has filled her with hope again (not Jesus?). She said she and Keith shot to the altar for communion ‘like starving people begging for bread.’ She also loves what this liturgical church is about, because it’s “not just primarily upon what is coming from the pulpit.
Here is the Thread Reader unroll link to read what Beth Moore had to say about this new-found discovery of her “small, liturgical church.”

The Moores’ new church is part of the Anglican Church of North America. You can read about the Anglicans’ beliefs here, but suffice to say, it is as close to Roman Catholic as one can get without being Catholic. Some people in the congregation kneel as they enter the pew, as Catholics do. Some genuflect in the RCC sign of the cross. A crucified Christ remains on the cross attached to the main lectern. Vestments are highly ornate and present on all who serve at the pulpit, including women. Women serve as deacons.
Remember, her husband Keith was raised by staunch Catholics, and Moore has taught publicly that RCC is another denomination akin to Methodists and Baptists.

What is the Anglican Church, and what do Anglicans believe?
Because this is 2021 and people misunderstand and misinterpret things, I’ll be clear. I am NOT saying that Anglican (or other more overt liturgical church denominations of Episcopal, Lutheran, some Presbyterian, and some Methodist) are filled with lost people. NO. Men I respect like JI Packer were Anglican. Chris Rosebrough is a Lutheran pastor. Many millions of people who attend liturgical churches are brethren, blessed by the liturgical service structure and glory in it.

I AM saying that if a person is lost, as Beth Moore is, they will want the trappings of religiosity without the submission. THAT is much easier to find in a liturgical church than a confessional one. They want to appear righteous without the obedience. (Matthew 23:28). They are devoid of the Holy Spirit, so they will want outward religious apparatus, ornamentation, and ritual. They will love the emphasis on liturgical tradition and its script, not “just primarily upon what is coming from the pulpit” as Beth Moore has said. And of course she wants to avoid “what is coming from the pulpit” from her previous churches, the word of God convicts of sin and urges repentance. Moore is neither about obedience to the word nor repenting of her usurping ways with changing her long rebellion against Jesus. She is a seeker of a place that will indulge her ungodly passions.

While many saved people enjoy liturgical services, many false believers find it easier to fit in to them. The service affirms their intellectual assent but does nothing for their soul. These false converts feel satisfied in participating in religious scripts, rather than glorifying God in obedience to His word.

Beth Moore reads from Hebrews during service. A woman, serving as Deacon since 2008, gave the sermon. Notice attached to the pulpit the crucifix with a non-risen Jesus.

There are a great many women serving during the service at Beth Moore’s new church. They wear the priestly-type vestments, speak from the lectern, participate with the priest regarding the Eucharist portion of the service, lead processionals…even give the sermon as a woman did this week. This visible role of women would appeal to a rebel female preacher like Beth Moore. It’s natural for a false convert such as Moore to slide in to a church like this that offers her satisfaction of her lusts. (2 Timothy 3:4)

The second point of my essay is this, and it’s sad. False believers bring with them their false notions.
After just 2 months of being a church member, Beth Moore was asked to teach a study at her new Anglican church. The class is part of her church’s School of Ministry and “is for education for both ordained and lay people.” It’s titled “The Biblical Narrative and How to Teach a Bible Study.” You notice right underneath the class calendar listing screen shot below, is a course about women in ministry – taught by female deacon Rev. Deacon Lisa Schwandt. Schwandt was one of only 3 women invited in 2019 to the College of Bishops meeting (big Anglican meeting, like the SBC Annual Meeting) to discuss women in ministry.

Sadly though, installing Moore so quickly as a teacher in her new church, one by her own admission she is totally unfamiliar with in terms of doctrine and practice, demonstrates that the person making these decisions in her new church lacks discernment. It is unknown whether she is teaching a co-ed class. One person on Twitter asked, but the query went unanswered. She was also asked to MC the church’s Women’s Advent luncheon. (Though she did take time out to carp that she was asked not to speak but only to emcee…). She’s become embedded, fast.

I saw that she was listed as an alter server for an upcoming service. I am not sure what a Ps/Epis does but I think it is a person who reads a Psalm and an Epistle during service. See photo above, where Moore is reading the Epistle of Hebrews. We see in the collage below that Beth Moore is in vestments and serving in a variety of ways during the service.

I am not remarking on a liturgical service or anything about Anglicanism. I am saying that Beth Moore’s departure from the SBC to a place where her heart’s desire has always been to serve in a place the Bible forbids has finally been satisfied. She is finally “home”.

Beth Moore’s gravitation away from the faith is evident in this new move. She has always been me-centered and man-centered. Religious trappings for her are not a vehicle to further glorify God but a way to appear deeply committed, while absent of the obedience Jesus requires to be one of His own.

But realize this, that in the last days difficult times will come. 2 For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, slanderers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 unloving, irreconcilable, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, [a]haters of good, 4 treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 holding to a form of godliness although they have denied its power; avoid such people as these. (2 Timothy 3:1-5) underline mine.

then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from a trial, and to keep the unrighteous under punishment for the day of judgment, 10 and especially those who indulge the flesh in its corrupt passion, and despise authority. (2 Peter 2:9-10)
Unbelievable. She had me fooled for quite a long time until word started coming out about some new way of praying that she appeared to be into. I was not a steadfast follower of her.

I have never believed women are to serve in the role of pastor or deacon based on scripture. I’m dyed in the wool Southern Baptist and the men are pastors and deacons and that suits me just fine - it is such a heavy responsibility and calling. I worry enough about what James says about teachers and their judgement I don’t need to try to take the men’s place.

Again, I’m really shocked by all of this to think of where she was just a few years ago and I wonder did something happen to her that started all this or was she always false.
 
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cheeky200386

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The fastest way to kill a denomination is to "feminize" it. I saw it myself, growing up in a liberal church. Men won't participate in leadership when all (or even some) of the "important" ministries are headed by women. Maybe it is sinful on their part, or maybe it's not, but there it is. I see nothing in the New Testament which excuses women from having their husbands in authority over them. Even Jesus, who was certainly respectful of women, suggested that the Woman at the Well, should go and get her husband, before He would teach her. Organizations definitely do NOT work well when there are not clear lines of authority. The husbands are supposed to be submitted to Christ's authority and the wives are to be submitted to their own husband's authority. It is the example that children need to see in order to be properly submitted to their parents' authority. As a woman, I have never had a moment when I regretted following the biblical ideal of submitting to my husband's authority. If a woman does not want to submit to a godly husband's authority, she should refrain from marriage. This is assuming, of course, that the husband is truly submitted to Christ. Selecting a husband of good character is the most important decision a woman will ever make. Often, her parents may have reservations and yet she will ignore them and marry the man anyway. As often as not, she will then live to regret the decision for many decades into the future.

As a biblical counselor, I would often counsel women who had myriad complaints about their husbands. It is very important that women select husbands who are properly submitted to Christ, but, after that, if they expect perfection from their husbands, it won't happen. The major complaint is that the wife works a full-time job, does the vast majority of childcare, do most of the housekeeping and attend to both sets of aging parents. One of the greatest moral failings of husbands these days is the shirking of the responsibilities of manhood. Maybe it has always been the case--from the Fall onward. Adam was right there with Eve when she fell. He could have taken authority over the situation (God had given Adam authority over everything that went on in the Garden) and ordered Satan to leave them alone. The modern feminist movement has left many a man confused about his role. That confusion destroyed African-American families decades ago (there were, of course, extenuating circumstances). And now, as the Church wanes in influence, it is doing the same to ALL Western men and their families. America, in particular, has historically had a very strong Christian influence over the culture--not so now and we are suffering over that loss.
All of this is true. I've seen the same when counseling women and when I used to counsel couples. It's sad and I do believe many should not marry. Both men and women want to continue being selfish and seek marriage to meet their needs with unrealistic expectations of the other. It's a shame.

I was surprised to read you are a woman too. I just love how blunt and biblically sound you have been in all of your posts. Definitely would seek your friend in person if you lived close by!
 

Wings Like Eagles

Well-Known Member
All of this is true. I've seen the same when counseling women and when I used to counsel couples. It's sad and I do believe many should not marry. Both men and women want to continue being selfish and seek marriage to meet their needs with unrealistic expectations of the other. It's a shame.

I was surprised to read you are a woman too. I just love how blunt and biblically sound you have been in all of your posts. Definitely would seek your friendship in person if you lived close by!
That blesses me, Cheeky and I must say that I enjoy your posts too. Maybe we will meet up soon, in heaven, if the Lord does not tarry much longer. :) I sincerely believe that He is coming soon.
 

Matthew6:33

Withstand in the evil day. Eph 6:13
I always find it amusing when "bible teachers" pick and choose what parts of the bible they want to take seriously. How could sinful man possibly judge what is more or less important?

Not a good message to pass to your students, leading many astray and inevitably bringing more judgement onto yourself as you will be judged more harshly as a teacher.

This is the root of poor Beth's problem. The evil one is leading her further astray and God is allowing it.

I pray she has eyes to see and ears to hear and turns from this and does not let more "prestige" go to her head - filthy rags.

:pray
 

Wings Like Eagles

Well-Known Member
I always find it amusing when "bible teachers" pick and choose what parts of the bible they want to take seriously. How could sinful man possibly judge what is more or less important?

Not a good message to pass to your students, leading many astray and inevitably bringing more judgement onto yourself as you will be judged more harshly as a teacher.

This is the root of poor Beth's problem. The evil one is leading her further astray and God is allowing it.

I pray she has eyes to see and ears to hear and turns from this and does not let more "prestige" go to her head - filthy rags.

:pray
Yes--our Lord Jesus Himself quoted Deuteronomy 8:3 during the Temptation of Matthew 4. In Matthew 4:4 we learn that Jesus affirmed the teaching from Deuteronomy, to refute Satan's insinuations. Our Lord insisted that "...every word that proceeds from the mouth of God" is vital to life. Every means every. It is a dangerous game to pick out Scripture that we decide should be ignored. The Jesus Seminar people are infamous for that and sadly, Beth Moore seems to be following in their footsteps.
 

Accepted

Well-Known Member
Interesting article and discussion! Coming from a very Catholic background and then knowing the freedom that is in Christ, I find it quite telling that Moore would desire the type of fleshly comfort that comes from rituals.

She is a gifted teacher. Years ago, I attended her study of Daniel, and got quite a bit out of it. But the problem was that people put her on a pedestal. A Bible study machine was created, and whatever fuel she came up with to feed that machine was greedily consumed without question. My church at the time hosted another one of her studies, and I stopped attending after the first session, as it was not Biblical.


I agree with our @ShilohRose that we cannot make pronouncements on the salvation of others, and was surprised that the article’s author made that statement. But I will say that appearing righteous and religious while inwardly rebellious is at the heart of what Jesus rebuked the most!!!
 

Wings Like Eagles

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Interesting article and discussion! Coming from a very Catholic background and then knowing the freedom that is in Christ, I find it quite telling that Moore would desire the type of fleshly comfort that comes from rituals.

She is a gifted teacher. Years ago, I attended her study of Daniel, and got quite a bit out of it. But the problem was that people put her on a pedestal. A Bible study machine was created, and whatever fuel she came up with to feed that machine was greedily consumed without question. My church at the time hosted another one of her studies, and I stopped attending after the first session, as it was not Biblical.


I agree with our @ShilohRose that we cannot make pronouncements on the salvation of others, and was surprised that the article’s author made that statement. But I will say that appearing righteous and religious while inwardly rebellious is at the heart of what Jesus rebuked the most!!!
I have found some of her teachings to be biblically sound but even Satan tells the truth occasionally. Mixing truth with falsehoods is something that is a specialty of his. Sadly, pride has taken a number of teachers into Satan's clutches. Jesus scolded the Jewish leaders for their pride and connected it to unbelief--"No wonder you can't believe..." (John 5:44 NLT) because they craved the approval of other men rather than God's approval.
 

Jonathan

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The fastest way to kill a denomination is to "feminize" it. I saw it myself, growing up in a liberal church. Men won't participate in leadership when all (or even some) of the "important" ministries are headed by women. Maybe it is sinful on their part, or maybe it's not, but there it is. I see nothing in the New Testament which excuses women from having their husbands in authority over them. Even Jesus, who was certainly respectful of women, suggested that the Woman at the Well, should go and get her husband, before He would teach her. Organizations definitely do NOT work well when there are not clear lines of authority. The husbands are supposed to be submitted to Christ's authority and the wives are to be submitted to their own husband's authority. It is the example that children need to see in order to be properly submitted to their parents' authority. As a woman, I have never had a moment when I regretted following the biblical ideal of submitting to my husband's authority. If a woman does not want to submit to a godly husband's authority, she should refrain from marriage. This is assuming, of course, that the husband is truly submitted to Christ. Selecting a husband of good character is the most important decision a woman will ever make. Often, her parents may have reservations and yet she will ignore them and marry the man anyway. As often as not, she will then live to regret the decision for many decades into the future.

As a biblical counselor, I would often counsel women who had myriad complaints about their husbands. It is very important that women select husbands who are properly submitted to Christ, but, after that, if they expect perfection from their husbands, it won't happen. The major complaint is that the wife works a full-time job, does the vast majority of childcare, do most of the housekeeping and attend to both sets of aging parents. One of the greatest moral failings of husbands these days is the shirking of the responsibilities of manhood. Maybe it has always been the case--from the Fall onward. Adam was right there with Eve when she fell. He could have taken authority over the situation (God had given Adam authority over everything that went on in the Garden) and ordered Satan to leave them alone. The modern feminist movement has left many a man confused about his role. That confusion destroyed African-American families decades ago (there were, of course, extenuating circumstances). And now, as the Church wanes in influence, it is doing the same to ALL Western men and their families. America, in particular, has historically had a very strong Christian influence over the culture--not so now and we are suffering over that loss.
Man, I admire your courage for saying that, even in a usually sympathetic environment such as this.
 

athenasius

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I thought she'd died.
You might be thinking about Rachel Held Evans. She was another of the Mysti Chicks as Chris Roseborough dubbed them. She was a close friend of Nadia Bolz Weber, Jen Hatmaker and many of the others.

We had a thread on her death, it was sad, she left a young husband and 2 small children behind. She died of an infection that went horribly wrong about 3 years ago this spring I think. I'll look it up.

Yup here: https://www.raptureforums.com/forums/threads/rachel-held-evans-has-died.148364/

She died spring 2019. Sad.
 

cheeky200386

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I would be shocked if Beth Moore is saved though. She lines up with the criteria for false teachers that Paul warns about. My understanding is that False Teachers are wolves and not sheep. God does give us things to look for so we know who to avoid. If she is saved, highly doubtful, I pray she repents ASAP because of the huge following she has.
 
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