Bacon may disappear in California as pig rules take effect

Lovin Jesus

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DES MOINES, Iowa -- Thanks to a reworked menu and long hours, Jeannie Kim managed to keep her San Francisco restaurant alive during the coronavirus pandemic.

That makes it all the more frustrating that she fears her breakfast-focused diner could be ruined within months by new rules that could make one of her top menu items — bacon — hard to get in California.

Our number one seller is bacon, eggs and hash browns,” said Kim, who for 15 years has run SAMS American Eatery on the city’s busy Market Street. “It could be devastating for us.”

At the beginning of next year, California will begin enforcing an animal welfare proposition approved overwhelmingly by voters in 2018 that requires more space for breeding pigs, egg-laying chickens and veal calves. National veal and egg producers are optimistic they can meet the new standards, but only 4% of hog operations now comply with the new rules. Unless the courts intervene or the state temporarily allows non-compliant meat to be sold in the state, California will lose almost all of its pork supply, much of which comes from Iowa, and pork producers will face higher costs to regain a key market.

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I saw a photo of a breeding pig in a cage so small she could not even roll over. It was just big enough to keep her laying on her side as her piglets....who were not in the cage with her....nursed through the bars. It was horrible. I realize they need to protect the piglets from getting stomped on or suffocated, but the treatment of that pig was very inhumane IMO.
As for veal, the baby cows are kept in cages so small they can't move, never see the light of day, and are force fed a liquid diet that gives them diarrhea until they are finally slaughtered. I never, ever eat it. It's just wrong, IMO. I also try to get free range eggs. Same thing...cages so small they can't move.
God never intended for us to treat animals like this.
However, California is still stupid.
 

Lovin Jesus

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California lawmakers seem to always be more concerned with activist agendas rather than getting solutions to real important problems taken care of. They are concerned with the overcrowded spaces for animals while the overcrowded spaces of homeless encampments increase and they do nothing to solve it. If you don't know what I'm talking about Google or duck duck go the words San Francisco homeless encampment photos and see for yourself just how many of these encampments are all over the streets of San Francisco California it's a shame.
 

Lovin Jesus

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California lawmakers seem to always be more concerned with activist agendas rather than getting solutions to real important problems taken care of. They are concerned with the overcrowded spaces for animals while the overcrowded spaces of homeless encampments increase and they do nothing to solve it. If you don't know what I'm talking about Google or duck duck go the words San Francisco homeless encampment photos and see for yourself just how many of these encampments are all over the streets of San Francisco California it's a shame.
I need to add that I am bothered by how some of the farmers neglect and have no regard for God's creation, even animals and though some are used for our food there still should be compassion in how the animals are treated. But my comment about the priorities of the California lawmakers is so true that they never place humanity as a priority. They make laws that are harmful to to Californians rather than help. Now I feel bad for making the comment. I'm sorry. Ad a California resident they gave me so frustrated at the outrageous legislative laws they make that are outrageous more often than not
 

Ghoti Ichthus

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I saw a photo of a breeding pig in a cage so small she could not even roll over. It was just big enough to keep her laying on her side as her piglets....who were not in the cage with her....nursed through the bars. It was horrible. I realize they need to protect the piglets from getting stomped on or suffocated, but the treatment of that pig was very inhumane IMO.
As for veal, the baby cows are kept in cages so small they can't move, never see the light of day, and are force fed a liquid diet that gives them diarrhea until they are finally slaughtered. I never, ever eat it. It's just wrong, IMO. I also try to get free range eggs. Same thing...cages so small they can't move.
God never intended for us to treat animals like this.
However, California is still stupid.

I remember the scandal when it came out how veal calves were being treated and then (pretty quickly) when standards for veal changed. Current official standards aren't wonderful, but they're better than when the calves had a standing room only stall and couldn't move at all https://www.fsis.usda.gov/food-safety/safe-food-handling-and-preparation/meat/veal-farm-table The veal farms that I've seen chain the calf to a shipping container in such a way that the calf can walk around outside or go inside at its own discretion. Don't remember how long the chains were, but the places I saw, considering how far away from the containers the calves were out on the grass, the chain would have had to have been at least 25 or 30 feet long. Each calf had his/her own shipping container and access to fresh water at all times. The shipping containers were in neat rows on large pastures spaced far enough apart that I don't think the calves could reach each other (and maybe cause injury to each other).

I try to only eat meat from animals that are raised humanely, although some things have simply not been available sometimes during the pandemic [sigh] Whole Foods has animal welfare standards that are posted and items in the meat service case are labeled as to organic, grass-fed, pasture-raised, conventional, and animal welfare rating https://www.wholefoodsmarket.com/quality-standards In the dairy case, some eggs are labeled with a code or farm name and you can go online and see the farm. In some cases, there's a webcam :smile Never looked to see if this is the case with dairy products of the same brand, but now I'm curious . . . https://vitalfarms.com/
 
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Ghoti Ichthus

Pray so they do not serve alone. Ephesians 6:10-20
From the American Veal Association:
"All veal calves are raised in group housing, as veal farmers achieved a goal on Jan. 1, 2018, set by the industry. Veal calves are not tethered or caged. Calves move freely in group pens once they reach about 8 weeks of age, which is when the newborn calf has developed its immunity and can safely mingle with other calves.
“The housing systems were clean, comfortable and provided all the requirements to raise high quality veal in a manner that puts the animal’s needs first,” Dr. Gingrich said.
Veal calves are raised according to the International Five Freedoms of Animal Wellbeing: The freedom to express normal behavior; freedom from thirst, hunger and malnutrition; freedom from discomfort; freedom from pain, injury, and disease; freedom from fear and distress."
https://www.americanveal.com/ava-policies


University of Minnesota Best Practices for Dairy Calves
https://extension.umn.edu/dairy-youngstock/healthy-calves#grouping-calves-725711


University of Minnesota Extension-Livestock
https://extension.umn.edu/animals-and-livestock
 

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From the American Veal Association:
"All veal calves are raised in group housing, as veal farmers achieved a goal on Jan. 1, 2018, set by the industry. Veal calves are not tethered or caged. Calves move freely in group pens once they reach about 8 weeks of age, which is when the newborn calf has developed its immunity and can safely mingle with other calves.
“The housing systems were clean, comfortable and provided all the requirements to raise high quality veal in a manner that puts the animal’s needs first,” Dr. Gingrich said.
Veal calves are raised according to the International Five Freedoms of Animal Wellbeing: The freedom to express normal behavior; freedom from thirst, hunger and malnutrition; freedom from discomfort; freedom from pain, injury, and disease; freedom from fear and distress."
https://www.americanveal.com/ava-policies


University of Minnesota Best Practices for Dairy Calves
https://extension.umn.edu/dairy-youngstock/healthy-calves#grouping-calves-725711


University of Minnesota Extension-Livestock
https://extension.umn.edu/animals-and-livestock
That's good to know. I just believe in decency, that's all. Animals are not objects that don't have feelings.
 

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I need to add that I am bothered by how some of the farmers neglect and have no regard for God's creation, even animals and though some are used for our food there still should be compassion in how the animals are treated. But my comment about the priorities of the California lawmakers is so true that they never place humanity as a priority. They make laws that are harmful to to Californians rather than help. Now I feel bad for making the comment. I'm sorry. Ad a California resident they gave me so frustrated at the outrageous legislative laws they make that are outrageous more often than not
I knew exactly what you meant by your comment. Agendas aside, they focus on one issue to the extreme and make rash decisions with no balance, and that neglect a whole other set of problems. But agendas, yes absolutely.
 
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