Breath of life
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not counting the beginning of your text this was something you can have a discussion with. But what makes you so hateful? Seas also represent death. Israel went down into the Red Sea and it was likened to baptism.Hi! I'm going to apologise in advance if I don't answer the questions you posted in the manner you'd prefer (It seems English might not be your native language, so I might misinterpret what you meant, or perhaps might not be as knowledgeable as you'd prefer) Anyway, I am one of those who have read several different views of who Mystery Babylon is and tend to lean towards literal Babylon, but that other cities (Jerusalem included) have interesting arguments for their side.
Okay, first, I agree with you Breath of Life that God's focus in the last days is going to be Israel and the Jewish people. The AntiChrist is accepted as the Jewish Messiah, so there's a good reason to believe he is at least partially Jewish (in ancestry, not necessarily nationally). Daniel 11:37 says he won't regard the God of his fathers, so that seems to make him ancestrally Jewish. But he heads a revived Roman empire and is said to come "from the sea", which represents "the nations".
Regardless, you asked:
1)how Israel got so wealthy when buying and selling requires the mark of the Beast... My answer is multi-fold. First, some (many?) take the mark. Second, Israel has a whole lot of potential wealth now, so why can't it be referring to this plus the wealth made before the AntiChrist requires the mark (he doesn't do that immediately). Finally, I did read the above Isiah passage and think there's a good case to be made that it refers to the dispersion of Jews in 70 AD.
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But let's go with the idea that this DOES mean the end times. Perhaps the beaking of Israel into Judah and Israel refers to dividing the land between Jewish Israel and Palestinians. There's another verse (I can't recall where) that seems to indicate The AntiChrist will spare the modern country of Jordon, so perhaps that has something to do with this passage as well?
3) The 70th week is still to be fulfilled. It hasn't started yet. Israel hasn't declared they've found a Messiah. They haven't singed a treaty with "many" (aka the covenant with death). And the church has not yet been Raptured. During the 70th week, God's focus is on Jews, although there will still be gentiles who come to trust in Jesus.
4) Ninivah was declared a harlot by God. As was another Gentile city...I can't remember which one though. Tarshish, maybe? As for a "Bride", Israel, Jerusalem, and the Church are all called the Bride at various times in scripture.
5) No idea?
Hope this helps rather than adding to confusion.
1) yes some take the mark and those that don't will be the faithful Remnant. Remnant hinting at a larger portion that does take the mark. Isaiah makes it clear in the prophecy that this is going to unusual wealth. You are welcome to claim they got in any manner but you cannot prove that any more than I can claim they took the mark with unerring accuracy. If you can get 70 AD out of Isaiah's prophecy I believe you just don't want to see that Christ has returned in all His splendor and glory and that is something that has never happened. By the way how many years passed between the crucifixion and the events of 70 AD? The rest of Isaiah 1- 5 is the entire prophecy but don't short the rest of Isaiah because the reason given for this happening to them is in Is. 53.
2) did you actually read the passage of Favor and Union? From your response I would have to bet you didn't He breaks the staff called Favor which He had with the Gentile nations not to destroy Israel until her appointed time. That time according to Moses is when she commits the ultimate harlotry taking anti- Christ as Her God. De. 32 tells how she rejects the Rock, who Paul identifies as Christ, for another
rock with a lowercase r. This is anti-Christ who will be accepted by the apostate portion of Israel when she shows herself to be the Harlot she has always been. Have you gone to Re. 11 and heard the great city where the Lord was slain is spiritually Sodom and Egypt and when you move on you read of the winepress outside the great city which is where the Lord made His winepress. All these things point to Daniel's people and city and when she is seen in Re. 17 she is said to be spiritually Babylon. Where did you find the scriptural support for changing her to an apostate Gentile anything other than apostate Israel?
3)the church has not yet been raptured is true and must take place before anti-Christ is not revealed. Since God is omni everything He deals with the entire world all at once. But you can look at the pattern He does not have Israel and the Gentiles on the, railroad track, at the same time. When He is dealing with Israel the Church and Gentiles are as if they are on a side track and the opposite is true when He is dealing with the Church or other Gentile entity. The things you mention re all things that take place when Israel once again is on the main track and the prophetic clock begins ticking again. That clock does not run when the Gentiles are being dealt with. Gentiles coming to belief has nothing to do with the prophetic events with and for Israel. But yes there will be Jews and Gentiles who will come to belief in that time. Only the Jewish remnant is persecuted and saved by the Lord's return to the Mount of Olives.
4) Hosea 4: 14 Re. 17. are both Israel as Harlot. I need to check once I send this off. I can't believe that any city of the Gentiles is a harlot who was wed to God and then sought other Gods but I ask your indulgence while I check. thanks.
5) how many of the Old Testament prophecies concerning the End Times are you familiar with? I don't want this to sound rough but if they are like Isaiah you are missing all that buttresses the things I am relating to you. If you move the things you are claiming a thousand years after the return of the Lord you have the prophecy going in the right direction because that is when Gog and Magog "The nations" Gentiles is dealt with and not before.
you are knowledgeable and i enjoy testing these things against you. but i am not sure if it is just me who brings that edge out of you or are we all blest with some. i pray that your words, and mine, will be seasoned with salt during our time on this journey